I started building a small studio

[EduardoApolonia]

Thank you all for the compliments on the studio

Originally Posted by megl

Apart from the Vox, that's some pretty heavy amps there! Do you record a lot of metal?

And why only 4x12's?

/megl

I do record a lot of Metal
4x12 is the configuration that gives me the best sound for rock/metal

Originally Posted by magibatalla

Hey, Eduardo, here's Magí from Barcelona.

I'm subscribed to your thread and been following your progress with admiration. Glad to see your goal is near after all this time and effort.

These last pics are impressive, I really like your equipment choices, I'm dreaming of having some of those one day.

I wanted to ask you to share some images of the BACK of those racks, if not asking too much. I'm curious to see how this stuff is supposed to be wired. Thanx and congratulations! I would love to pass by your place if I visit Portugal... I'm not that far!

Thanks for the kind words.
I'm still wiring it, I had to do a schematic on paper first before I wire it.
I had to do some holes on the lids too.

Originally Posted by studio freak

Hi,

I´ve been following this thread from day one.
congrat´s for building one of the nicest studios in our country,
and for sharing your journey with the rest of us Gearslutz.
I´m happy for you, I hope all goes well with the studio,
you deserve it!

hope to go to Almancil some day

keep up the good work

cheers from

The Lounge. Torres Vedras

Thanks a lot

Originally Posted by SK1

Sweet !!

I love how the control room window looking to the live room goes all the way to the floor. Seems bigger and more open that way. Well worth it.

Is there a house drum kit?

What's the mic selection like?

I have a drum kit, I'm waiting to get the rug to put the drumkit on place
As said, you can visit my myspace to get the info, but I'll take a pic with all

Originally Posted by 5thString

All his gear, including the mics, is listed on his website. Be careful when you first open his space though!!! The music that suddenly pops out loud from your computer's speakers doesn't help with your boss' and colleagues' mood... I almost got fired the first time I got there.

Be afraid, be very afraid

Originally Posted by dylansmale

that looks like overkill to me. where are the small amps?!

They will come some day

[inkd71]

Hey Eduardo,

Incredible build...Congrats!! I'm getting ready to start construction on my studio, after working out of my extra bedroom (2 car garage about 20 feet X 14 feet) and after reading this entire thread I have to thank you for posting all these pics and info...you can't understand how much you have helped and motivated me...Gracias!! y Buena suerte!!

All I need to do now is pass all my city inspections... #*@&# INSPECTORS!

I will be posting pics to show progress as you did..

[shauli]

Eduardo,
Very nice. well done and great thread.

Can you provide some information on the doors you use? the brand and the spec(like how much STC)? Thanks.

[EduardoApolonia]

Originally Posted by inkd71

Hey Eduardo,

Incredible build...Congrats!! I'm getting ready to start construction on my studio, after working out of my extra bedroom (2 car garage about 20 feet X 14 feet) and after reading this entire thread I have to thank you for posting all these pics and info...you can't understand how much you have helped and motivated me...Gracias!! y Buena suerte!!

All I need to do now is pass all my city inspections... #*@&# INSPECTORS!

I will be posting pics to show progress as you did..

Good luck!!!

Originally Posted by shauli

Eduardo,
Very nice. well done and great thread.

Can you provide some information on the doors you use? the brand and the spec(like how much STC)? Thanks.

The doors are made by a portuguese company silencio
They are rated 40dbs STC

[EduardoApolonia]

Barefoot Monitors in place.
I also put the Adams, I’m not sure if I will keep them.
I still need to put my NS10s but that will be later.

I’m measuring the room. The room as some small low freq problems that will be addressed with some modifications on the back panel.
I’m waiting for Martin to give me the modification plan.

Pics
Console with Barefoots and Adams



Here is a pic of one of the measuring scenes



Meanwhile I’m finishing the wiring plan and I’m already started wiring.

[Farout]

You can't sell the ADAMS!

Those things rawk!

BTW- Nice pics, sir!

Thanks for sharing

[SK1]

Have you considered speaker stands to keep your monitors from resonating the argosy too much? I know if I had the room I'd go with some nice stands for better accuracy.

[Vinylizor]

Originally Posted by SK1

Have you considered speaker stands to keep your monitors from resonating the argosy too much? I know if I had the room I'd go with some nice stands for better accuracy.

I have this problem with my argosy!

I get lots of buzzes and rattles from having the speakers directly on top. It's not the console thats at fault, it's adjacent rack units in the rack bays vibrating against each other. They've all been damped with various things stuffed between them, but every now and again a frequency will set something off - drives me nuts!

Bought a pair of focul pods to go underneath the monitors (PMC AML-1s) in the hope that would help, but it did bugger all.

[dykstraster@gmai]

LOVE those Aviom monitoring systems...your clients will be happy, and hopefully spend hours mixing their headphone mix at an hourly rate.

[barefoot]

Eduardo,

Your studio looks fantastic! Great work and a wonderful thread! Like everyone else, I've been following it along and looking forward to each update.

As for the possible vibration transmission to the desk mentioned here, I wouldn't worry a great deal about that with regard to MM27s. You've probably discovered, the force cancellation design as well as the massive and heavily braced cabinets produce very little vibration. Stands may give you more placement options and perhaps allow you to better position the speakers with respect to reflections from the console surface. But this would be true for any monitor. Strictly from a vibration perspective, however, the absorbent pads you have under the MM27s will probably be sufficient.

All the best to you!
Thomas

[SK1]

Originally Posted by barefoot

Eduardo,

Your studio looks fantastic! Great work and a wonderful thread! Like everyone else, I've been following it along and looking forward to each update.

As for the possible vibration transmission to the desk mentioned here, I wouldn't worry a great deal about that with regard to MM27s. You've probably discovered, the force cancellation design as well as the massive and heavily braced cabinets produce very little vibration. Stands may give you more placement options and perhaps allow you to better position the speakers with respect to reflections from the console surface. But this would be true for any monitor. Strictly from a vibration perspective, however, the absorbent pads you have under the MM27s will probably be sufficient.

All the best to you!
Thomas

Very interesting. In your opinion the barefoots wouldn't vibrate the desk as much ....... but the adams would???

So there would be little or no sonic benefit from putting your barefoots on stands? Am I reading that correct?
So if I'm pumping the barefoots and I put my hand on one ...... I'd feel less vibration than other monitors???

[SK1]

Originally Posted by EduardoApolonia

I have a drum kit, I'm waiting to get the rug to put the drumkit on place
As said, you can visit my myspace to get the info, but I'll take a pic with all

Can't wait for the pics. Way to go....... awesome studio.

[barefoot]

Originally Posted by SK1

Very interesting. In your opinion the barefoots wouldn't vibrate the desk as much ....... but the adams would???

So there would be little or no sonic benefit from putting your barefoots on stands? Am I reading that correct?
So if I'm pumping the barefoots and I put my hand on one ...... I'd feel less vibration than other monitors???

I can't speak for any other monitors but my own. But you can crank the MM27 very loud with lots of low end, such that you might worry upon first experience that the subs are going to jump out of the cabinet, and still you'll feel little vibration. Definitely stands can help with placement related issues like early reflections, standing waves in less then ideal rooms and such, as would be true for any monitor. But I haven't heard a studio situation where the enhanced isolation of stands has significantly impacted the actual sonics of the MM27 itself. Well, once I stood one on my daughter's hollow plastic play table for a party and that didn't sound as good. But I haven't yet walked into anyone's studio that was quite that guerilla. My main concern with any stand for the MM27 is that it is strong and stable enough to safely carry the weight. Nonetheless, I've seen a few teetering up on skinny particleboard peg-legs against my advice. Not comforting to one who lives in an earthquake zone!

Thomas

[SK1]

Guess I'll have to check em out for myself.

[jaydeluca]

its amazing to look at the beginning pictures you had for the plans... and to look at the actual pictures you have taken of your progress, and to see how it is turning out identically to how you had planned it.

Looking great!

[Freudian Slip]

All I can say is WOW Eduardo! I can only dream of such nice a nice space and choice of gear.

F.S.

[acdctom92]

One question though;

Why not put your patch bays on the leftover panel in the console?

It just seems way more efficient and accessable than under the console where you'd have to reach down and fix it up.

Just a thought.

[lospat123]

amazing is all that can be said about this project. wow.

[ing23]

If you need any furniture, I would be happy to help!

Ingrid

AKA Design

[Cojo]

Hi Eduardo!

You know I've been folowing your studio build since day one and I must say that I'm impressed! It's looking really good!

So don't you think it's time to change your old avatar?

Good luck to you!

[EduardoApolonia]

Originally Posted by SK1

Have you considered speaker stands to keep your monitors from resonating the argosy too much? I know if I had the room I'd go with some nice stands for better accuracy.

Originally Posted by Vinylizor

I have this problem with my argosy!

I get lots of buzzes and rattles from having the speakers directly on top. It's not the console thats at fault, it's adjacent rack units in the rack bays vibrating against each other. They've all been damped with various things stuffed between them, but every now and again a frequency will set something off - drives me nuts!

Bought a pair of focul pods to go underneath the monitors (PMC AML-1s) in the hope that would help, but it did bugger all.

Originally Posted by barefoot

Eduardo,

Your studio looks fantastic! Great work and a wonderful thread! Like everyone else, I've been following it along and looking forward to each update.

As for the possible vibration transmission to the desk mentioned here, I wouldn't worry a great deal about that with regard to MM27s. You've probably discovered, the force cancellation design as well as the massive and heavily braced cabinets produce very little vibration. Stands may give you more placement options and perhaps allow you to better position the speakers with respect to reflections from the console surface. But this would be true for any monitor. Strictly from a vibration perspective, however, the absorbent pads you have under the MM27s will probably be sufficient.

All the best to you!
Thomas

Originally Posted by barefoot

I can't speak for any other monitors but my own. But you can crank the MM27 very loud with lots of low end, such that you might worry upon first experience that the subs are going to jump out of the cabinet, and still you'll feel little vibration. Definitely stands can help with placement related issues like early reflections, standing waves in less then ideal rooms and such, as would be true for any monitor. But I haven't heard a studio situation where the enhanced isolation of stands has significantly impacted the actual sonics of the MM27 itself. Well, once I stood one on my daughter's hollow plastic play table for a party and that didn't sound as good. But I haven't yet walked into anyone's studio that was quite that guerilla. My main concern with any stand for the MM27 is that it is strong and stable enough to safely carry the weight. Nonetheless, I've seen a few teetering up on skinny particleboard peg-legs against my advice. Not comforting to one who lives in an earthquake zone!




Thomas

Thanks for the compliments Thomas.

I can confirm to everyone what Thomas is saying, Barefoot monitors vibrate less than the Adams, at the same volume the Barefoot vibration that passes to the Argosy is almost inexistent while the Adams you can feel more, although it's not much.
What I'm using while I'm waiting for the Primacoustic recoil stabilizers to try, is Mouse pads , and they work very well. I have 3 pads high below each monitor.
For the measuring I did and the position, Martin Pilchner told me that being on top of the desk would only affect the mids and highs, so it's not my problem now.
After I have the Lows problem solved I will try putting the monitors behind (if I have room for it), and see if it improves much.

Originally Posted by jaydeluca

its amazing to look at the beginning pictures you had for the plans... and to look at the actual pictures you have taken of your progress, and to see how it is turning out identically to how you had planned it.

Looking great!

Thanks

Apart from some small changes I did, I think that it has become very close to the 3D renderings.

Originally Posted by acdctom92

One question though;

Why not put your patch bays on the leftover panel in the console?

It just seems way more efficient and accessable than under the console where you'd have to reach down and fix it up.

Just a thought.

The 2U panel that you are looking is reserved for EQs (actually that and another 2U in the middle of the ones below) I am going to buy a pair of Pultec style Eqs.

And If you see closely I have 4 1.5U patchbays so that's 6U. It wouldn't fit on the console rack spaces left.

Originally Posted by dylansmale

mind telling me what you use the cranesong monitor controller for? I know it has A/D, but am not sure how many inputs, or what your need for it is. I would assume just get a mackie big knob, but this obviously has better connections with the speaker cabels.

I use it to connect various listening sources, to control the monitors volume/switching and also for talkback.

It's kind of a Big Knob but better quality.

Originally Posted by ing23

If you need any furniture, I would be happy to help!

Ingrid

AKA Design

Right now I have already got all the furniture but thanks for the offer

Originally Posted by dylansmale

do you have any blue print, or lay out plans of the studio you could show us? Looks very interesting, is the control room in the center of all the rooms?!...please show us layout plans, thank you

I have plans but they were made by Pilchner/Schoustal, so I can't give them to anyone else.

Originally Posted by dylansmale

oh one last request: those windows that look really sturdy (in the guitar amp room). you have any links, prices, or company info? they look sweet

The windows were bought here in Portugal, and are made in Germany. Don't know the brand.
They weren't cheap because the glass is almost 1" thick.

Originally Posted by Cojo

Hi Eduardo!

You know I've been folowing your studio build since day one and I must say that I'm impressed! It's looking really good!

So don't you think it's time to change your old avatar?

Good luck to you!

I'm waiting for it to be finished

[EduardoApolonia]

Still doing wiring
This has taken way more than what I expected (as everything else since the beginning )

Some pics from the cables lids and how it works.
This is the 2 bay Rack cable box lid








These are the other cables boxes (without the final wood part)






3bay rack - Left bay


There’s only missing the pic of the middle bay of the 3bay rack
I’m still waiting for 2 pieces of gear.

[mikahanau]

The windows were bought here in Portugal, and are made in Germany

it must be a high quality window