The Harp rehearsal studios /Kungsbacka /Sweden

mattssons · 11th November 2009

The Harp rehearsal studios.

Today 20091111 i signed the dotted line, so from the 1 of January 2010, i´m free to build!

The plan is to build rehearsal rooms and a studio of my own, just the way i like it, one big room, lots of natural light, second floor!

The plot is right behind me in an light industrial area next to a river.

This project might take some time, but i´ll post any progress i make.
Tomorrow i´m of to a first meeting with an architect.

Cheers
/Toby

LaLaFaV · 11th November 2009

Congrats on the first step in your journey.

My friend and I built four large rehearsal rooms and are now on to the control room and lounge/extra iso room. Next will be the main large tracking room and two iso rooms.
It's a long process, but fun and rewarding.

kraskland · 11th November 2009

In Kungsbacka? Hey, I was just in Göteborg last year. Are you using this space for harps?

greatgreatriver · 15th November 2009

You got awesome sushi in kungsbacka...

mattssons · 30th November 2009

Thanks, some progress, slow but steady

/Toby

greatgreatriver · 30th November 2009

Interesting build for sure - looking forward to seeing more pictures... And maybe visit in the future when I come to kungsbacka for more sushi.

My sister lives in/on Särö...

mattssons · 4th January 2010

Welcome anytime greatgreatriver!

Got a sign up, first drawings, right now waiting for a builder´s quote. Got some pre-ads out and the phone rings a lot! space is not easy to come by here. I´ll keep posting/ Cheers! /Toby

mattssons · 4th January 2010

Google earth is quite fun!

greatgreatriver · 6th January 2010

Thanks a lot bro!

mattssons · 17th February 2010

Business plan finished, talking to banks, wating for the verdisct.
Some more meetings with potential builders.
Can´t wait to get down to it! /Toby

mattssons · 18th March 2010

Waiting for more building quotes and applying for the building permit.

New building pic attached.

The good thing is that a lot more people are calling and wanting to rent rooms than i can not afford to build right now. A bit sad, but hey, that´s mean i´m on to something that will work!

mattssons · 28th April 2010

Building permit and meeting with builders, really hard to get anyone to actually come down with a price on paper. could be all to expensive according to the current plans. Might be time to rethink and try again!

/Toby

soulfield · 28th April 2010

mattssons

Keep at it. You will find the right balence of cost and function. I work with bids from contractors everyday and its complex but prioritize and define the wants vs the needs.

I wish you the best of luck and can't wait to see your facility come together.

mattssons · 14th June 2010

Slow and steady!

The buildings been redrawn to cost a bit less. Elevator added.
More talks with builders and banks. Planning to at least get the land work done this summer. /Toby

Syncamorea · 14th June 2010

What are the dimensions of the new plan? Looks cool!

mattssons · 14th June 2010

Well, the dimensions are still the same, every rehearsal room is 6m (L) times 5m(W) times 4m(H) and i´m keeping 2 connected for my own studio 10m(L) 6m(W) 4m(H).

The construction is different, a change from prefabricated concrete til more normal stud, gypsym with fiber concrete exterior walls.

An elevator is added to help out with loading gear, second floor and a disability axcess (A must to get a building permit here.)

All share a lounge 60m2 with kitchen and toilets and above these i plan to build an echo chamber as the 4 m height will allow this!

Toby

guitarwolle · 15th June 2010

Reading through the thread shows the typical problems of buildings as an investment - cost.

To cut down cost you come up with a different building method (which is ok) and you gave up most of the bits which could be described as "architectural" items (well, I'm trained as an architect and run an engineering office for cladding technology, so I dont like that, but understand it).

In this respect I dont understand the floor height of 4m. Dont get me wrong, I love high rooms, the acoustics will be better, you've got room for acoustic treatment and sound proofing etc., but you pay for the building volume.

mattssons · 15th June 2010

Well guitarwolle

You are absolutely right, it´s expensive to build with 4m height to get volume, but that´s where i drawn the line about cost cutting. If i can´t get this version up, i will get other investors involved in the project. A small room can in my book newer sound as good as a bigger room.

I can put in bigger windows, change decors etc if i get the funds but rise a building is harder!

It´s all a bunch of compromises, the "lighter" construction is mainly due to this plot is next to a river and has some 80 meters pure clay in the ground.

More than exterior material is mostly taking away windows and reducing the size of some.

It´s all down to walking the fine line between dreams and realistic achievable goals. The rent possible to get sets the construction costs availble to spend.

Thanks for your input! /Toby

MikeyP · 9th July 2010

Congrats Toby! Very Exciting. I'm in the very early stages of planning to construct a rehearsal studio in Canada and I'm curious if you'd mind sharing the cost of materials per room. I'm trying to set some financial goals for myself and having a rough idea of costs would help me out. Thanks for your time and the best of luck with your journey!!

mattssons · 9th July 2010

Well thans for your interest.

In this building each room (30kvm) will be about 65000 USD (We build 12) but here we pay 25% v.a.t and as we plan to have the rooms with 4 meter internal hights, lots of isolation and need to construct a pillar bed (Because the plot is clay grounds next to a river.) + the exterior are planned to be through colored fiber cement boards (To reduce paint work and care in the future.) that adds up quite a bit.

It was hard for me to get some kind of estimate of costs as the usual answer from builders was "it depends" an they need a finished plan to be able to give a quote.

My advice would be to count backwards, what can i get in rents for x meters and then have a meeting with a builder and ask what you could get build for that. We plan to reduce costs a bit by doing paint work and some internal stuff ourself. / Toby

mattssons · 9th January 2011

Added more land to plot.

Building permit received!

Redrawn a lighter building to cut cost of the foundation and make it easier to rebuild/develop the building in the future. Less windows + some other design issues.

Just finished setting up a new company, more people on board.

Quite interestingly i follow my first plan i found the other day, written in 2008 with an estimate at 2011 as building year! It´s the usual, double the time and cost of any big project

I want it up now, so i can move on to the fun part of designing my "one room"

Laters /Toby

Colonel Blues · 10th January 2011

Wow ! Great news ! Let's go now !!!

gardinen · 10th January 2011

This is really nice, since I live in Trollhättan, which is pretty close to Kungsbacka :D

mattssons · 15th July 2011

Short update on the progress, things take more time than expected, but slow and steady progress!

New partner, splitted the plot in 2 in order to borrow on the unbuild one.

Ordered an Geological survey to get a better knowings of the clay ground so close as this plot is to a river. Should be finished at the end of August.

Will give a better estimate of how much the foundation will cost.

Some more pics
Welcome to Facebook

/Toby

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mattssons Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kungsbacka Posts: 242 Thread Starter	The Harp rehearsal studios /Kungsbacka /Sweden The Harp rehearsal studios. Today 20091111 i signed the dotted line, so from the 1 of January 2010, i´m free to build! The plan is to build rehearsal rooms and a studio of my own, just the way i like it, one big room, lots of natural light, second floor! The plot is right behind me in an light industrial area next to a river. This project might take some time, but i´ll post any progress i make. Tomorrow i´m of to a first meeting with an architect. Cheers /Toby Attached Thumbnails __________________ free monthly recording tip newsletter. Sign up @www.cascatoma.com or send me some tips!

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mattssons Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kungsbacka Posts: 242 Thread Starter	First sketch! (c)Strandell Arkitektkontor Thanks, some progress, slow but steady /Toby Attached Thumbnails

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4th January 2010	#8
mattssons Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kungsbacka Posts: 242 Thread Starter	Aerial Shot Google earth is quite fun!

11th November 2009	#3
kraskland Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Brussels, Belgium Posts: 90	In Kungsbacka? Hey, I was just in Göteborg last year. Are you using this space for harps?

15th November 2009	#4
greatgreatriver Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,217	You got awesome sushi in kungsbacka...

6th January 2010	#9
greatgreatriver Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 2,217	Thanks a lot bro!

17th February 2010	#10
mattssons Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kungsbacka Posts: 242 Thread Starter	Some Progress ! Business plan finished, talking to banks, wating for the verdisct. Some more meetings with potential builders. Can´t wait to get down to it! /Toby

28th April 2010	#13
soulfield Gear maniac Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dahlonega, Georgia Posts: 240	mattssons Keep at it. You will find the right balence of cost and function. I work with bids from contractors everyday and its complex but prioritize and define the wants vs the needs. I wish you the best of luck and can't wait to see your facility come together.

14th June 2010	#14
mattssons Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kungsbacka Posts: 242 Thread Starter	New plan and 2 days to building permit! Slow and steady! The buildings been redrawn to cost a bit less. Elevator added. More talks with builders and banks. Planning to at least get the land work done this summer. /Toby Attached Thumbnails

14th June 2010	#15
Syncamorea Lives for gear Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 1,223 1 Review written	What are the dimensions of the new plan? Looks cool!

14th June 2010	#16
mattssons Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kungsbacka Posts: 242 Thread Starter	New Plan! Well, the dimensions are still the same, every rehearsal room is 6m (L) times 5m(W) times 4m(H) and i´m keeping 2 connected for my own studio 10m(L) 6m(W) 4m(H). The construction is different, a change from prefabricated concrete til more normal stud, gypsym with fiber concrete exterior walls. An elevator is added to help out with loading gear, second floor and a disability axcess (A must to get a building permit here.) All share a lounge 60m2 with kitchen and toilets and above these i plan to build an echo chamber as the 4 m height will allow this! Toby

15th June 2010	#17
guitarwolle Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 291	Reading through the thread shows the typical problems of buildings as an investment - cost. To cut down cost you come up with a different building method (which is ok) and you gave up most of the bits which could be described as "architectural" items (well, I'm trained as an architect and run an engineering office for cladding technology, so I dont like that, but understand it). In this respect I dont understand the floor height of 4m. Dont get me wrong, I love high rooms, the acoustics will be better, you've got room for acoustic treatment and sound proofing etc., but you pay for the building volume.

15th June 2010	#18
mattssons Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kungsbacka Posts: 242 Thread Starter	Redrawn buildning Well guitarwolle You are absolutely right, it´s expensive to build with 4m height to get volume, but that´s where i drawn the line about cost cutting. If i can´t get this version up, i will get other investors involved in the project. A small room can in my book newer sound as good as a bigger room. I can put in bigger windows, change decors etc if i get the funds but rise a building is harder! It´s all a bunch of compromises, the "lighter" construction is mainly due to this plot is next to a river and has some 80 meters pure clay in the ground. More than exterior material is mostly taking away windows and reducing the size of some. It´s all down to walking the fine line between dreams and realistic achievable goals. The rent possible to get sets the construction costs availble to spend. Thanks for your input! /Toby

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MikeyP Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2	Congrats Toby! Very Exciting. I'm in the very early stages of planning to construct a rehearsal studio in Canada and I'm curious if you'd mind sharing the cost of materials per room. I'm trying to set some financial goals for myself and having a rough idea of costs would help me out. Thanks for your time and the best of luck with your journey!!

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mattssons Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kungsbacka Posts: 242 Thread Starter	Hi Mikey P! Well thans for your interest. In this building each room (30kvm) will be about 65000 USD (We build 12) but here we pay 25% v.a.t and as we plan to have the rooms with 4 meter internal hights, lots of isolation and need to construct a pillar bed (Because the plot is clay grounds next to a river.) + the exterior are planned to be through colored fiber cement boards (To reduce paint work and care in the future.) that adds up quite a bit. It was hard for me to get some kind of estimate of costs as the usual answer from builders was "it depends" an they need a finished plan to be able to give a quote. My advice would be to count backwards, what can i get in rents for x meters and then have a meeting with a builder and ask what you could get build for that. We plan to reduce costs a bit by doing paint work and some internal stuff ourself. / Toby

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mattssons Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kungsbacka Posts: 242 Thread Starter	Sloow but steady progress! Added more land to plot. Building permit received! Redrawn a lighter building to cut cost of the foundation and make it easier to rebuild/develop the building in the future. Less windows + some other design issues. Just finished setting up a new company, more people on board. Quite interestingly i follow my first plan i found the other day, written in 2008 with an estimate at 2011 as building year! It´s the usual, double the time and cost of any big project I want it up now, so i can move on to the fun part of designing my "one room" Laters /Toby Attached Thumbnails

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Colonel Blues Lives for gear Join Date: May 2008 Location: France Posts: 1,740	Wow ! Great news ! Let's go now !!!

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gardinen Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Trollhättan, Sweden Posts: 107	This is really nice, since I live in Trollhättan, which is pretty close to Kungsbacka :D

15th July 2011	#24
mattssons Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kungsbacka Posts: 242 Thread Starter	The Harp rehearsal studios Short update on the progress, things take more time than expected, but slow and steady progress! New partner, splitted the plot in 2 in order to borrow on the unbuild one. Ordered an Geological survey to get a better knowings of the clay ground so close as this plot is to a river. Should be finished at the end of August. Will give a better estimate of how much the foundation will cost. Some more pics Welcome to Facebook /Toby