Stil Got Time To Remake The Scetches! HELP ME :D

[Rossome]

I'm pretty sure it's flutter echo between the floor and ceiling. I had the same thing happen to me. Once I treated the ceiling it went away. Don't carpet the floor.

[SmiLeyyy]

Now i'm confused again! I've been recomended wall to wall carpet, just because it absorbs high and high mid.

I will have basstraps and absorbers with rockwool for the mid and low.

Does anyone else have something to say about this? i'm about to buy wall to wall carpet next weekend.. should i not do this?

Tim

Ps. I don't mean to be rude and say that you are wrong victor! I just want an extra opinion, since i've been recomended wall to wall carpet in such a small room! sorry

ps2. Daaamn.. the room looks REALLY small on the pictures.. it's not THAT small

[SmiLeyyy]

What kind of floor do you guys recomend? Wooden floor, but does it matter acousticly what kind of wooden floor?

Is some sort better and some worse?

Tim

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[SmiLeyyy]

Originally Posted by Victor_Stoian

Tim,

What a small room needs is lots of broadband absortion.

Even when talking about "bass traps" as long as the mineral wool is not covered with FRK or cardboard, the absorber will actually be broadband. The main differences (that come from material thickness) regard the lower frequencies and not the high frequencies.

The big problems are allways in the lows. That is where you need to focus.
To quote Ethan Winer, you can never have to many bass traps.
But if all the "bass traps" are broadband you'll end with a dead room. The solution would be to cover the corner traps with cardboard, just to reduce the absorbtion on the highs.
A wall to wall carpet will push you far on the road to a dead room.

Just for reference: how many pro studios have you seen with a wall to wall carpet?

Acoustically speaking there's not much of a difference between a concrete and a wooden floor, though i prefer wood (or laminate)

Tim,

What a small room needs is lots of broadband absortion:

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Yes, that i know! that's why i will measure and build absorbers for the freq needed, and start with basstraps made of rockwool
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Even when talking about "bass traps" as long as the mineral wool is not covered with FRK or cardboard, the absorber will actually be broadband. The main differences (that come from material thickness) regard the lower frequencies and not the high frequencies.

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What is FRK? i'm not familiar with that word! I'm planing to have HIGH density mineral wool (95kg/m) for the basstraps and cover it with textiles!
That's what the other guys on the forum have done?
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The big problems are allways in the lows. That is where you need to focus.
To quote Ethan Winer, you can never have to many bass traps.
But if all the "bass traps" are broadband you'll end with a dead room. The solution would be to cover the corner traps with cardboard, just to reduce the absorbtion on the highs.
A wall to wall carpet will push you far on the road to a dead room.


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I want a pretty dead room, but definatly NOT completely dead! But in that matter, i just have to listen and measure, right?
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Just for reference: how many pro studios have you seen with a wall to wall carpet?

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Excellent point
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Acoustically speaking there's not much of a difference between a concrete and a wooden floor, though i prefer wood (or laminate)

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Then laminate it is! GOOD! Cause it looks better than wall to wall carpet!!
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I have another question for you! The clouds will be pretty hard to make, since i'm pretty tall (192cm) and the height is only 213cm. Is it okay with foam-clouds? If i build everything else by my self with right kind of isolation for the right freq, do you think the foam in the ceiling would make it bad? Got any suggestions?

Thanks ALOT again victor! tell me if youre coming to sweden, then i'll buy you a couple of beers

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[SmiLeyyy]

Originally Posted by Victor_Stoian

FRK stands for Foil Reinforced Kraft paper, that is a metalized paper bonded to one side of the fiberglass. This foil reflects the mids and highs while providing a slightly better bass absorbtion.

For 2-6" the common recomended material is about 50kg/m³. When thicker than 6" less denser material should be used (and not denser).

If you want to use foam try to get basotect 5cm or better 7cm thick.

I'll take that beer gladly - but if you hapen to come to germany, feel free to come by. It's always a pleasure to have a beer with a fellow gearslutz.

Basotect.. that's new to me.. will check! 7cm is no problem at all, then i even have some space left for my head when standing! :D

I've got Event 8" monitors as my primary monitors, so i'll go with less density for the basstraps then! Good to know =) Less density = cheaper, so that's good news

Maybe we'll have some gig in germany in future, i'll warn you in good time

Tim

[SmiLeyyy]

SO, now i finally did some of the FUN work.. seeing the studio become a real room

I put the wallpapers and the inner ceiling up!

The pictures are bad.. creds to iphone but the camera stinks The fond-wallpaper have alot of silver in it! And the other wallpapers is just white!

So on the fond-wallpaper i will have white absorbers,
and on the white walls i will have SILVER absorbers

Everybody else have black, white and red.. so i wanted to make something uniqe :D

[SmiLeyyy]

Hey!

I've had kidneystones and when i came back from the hospital i had a 2weeks flu.. veeery nice! In other words, not so much work done..

the things i HAVE done is.

Found the right floor! Drilled the air holes in the walls and the strips so the concrete walls can breathe. layed the floor and "installed" the strips on floor and ceiling!


Some pics of what i've done =)

[SmiLeyyy]

i know what you are thinking.. "wooow.. that wallpaper will make you dizzy!"

BUT! there will be absorbers covering alot of it

Take care!

Tim

[Colonel Blues]

Originally Posted by SmiLeyyy

i know what you are thinking.. "wooow.. that wallpaper will make you dizzy!"

indeed ! I think so… just tell us more about that in a few months !

[SmiLeyyy]

Originally Posted by Colonel Blues

indeed ! I think so… just tell us more about that in a few months !

Haha.. it will be large white absorbers on the wall, so it won't be so much of the wallpaper left! I have it in my head, you'll see later.. i hope.. otherwise is just to paint the wall

Take care!

[ryancork]

i love the wallpaper.

maybe that's just me though?

[SmiLeyyy]

Originally Posted by ryancork

i love the wallpaper.

maybe that's just me though?

No, me too But it's a little bit too much now.. will get hypnotized everytime i'm in there if i'd have it just like that :D

[SmiLeyyy]

Heelloowww!

The room is all finished, and now i'm building the wall absorbers! But here's the problem!

I've been searching and searching for a insulation that has the density of 45kg/m3. But i can't find anything!

i've found glasswool with 35kg/m3

is it true that stonewool/mineralwool works almost as good if you double the density? Because i think it will be easier to find a density near 90kg/m3 with stonewool/mineralwool...

This is hard as hell here in Sweden! We don't have owens corning 703 :/ And they don't send to europe!

What to do? Is 35kg/m3 almost as good as 45kg/m3? I don't want it to be half-good.. i want to make the studio sound as good as i possible can!

advices needed thumbsupstike

Thanks alot!

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[SmiLeyyy]

Originally Posted by Victor_Stoian

do you happen to know what gas flow resistance that 35kg/m³ glasswoll has?
If it might help in german it is called Strömungswiderstand.

hmm.. can't find anything about gasflow resistance :/
0,033 W/m·°C ?!

don't know what parameters or numbers to look for

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[SmiLeyyy]

Its ISOVER.

Isover :: - Produktvisning

Tim

[SmiLeyyy]

I've now called all the different insulation distributors in Sweden, and i've found an insulation with the density of 51kg/m3.

I have ordered it since it's the nearest density i can come to 45kg/m3.

Really hope it's good enough!

Thank you!

T

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[SmiLeyyy]

Hello!

I Did! He said alot of weird numbers.. maybe i'm writing it wrong but:

45 10>-6 m>2/sPa

does it make any sense? =)

T

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[SmiLeyyy]

Thank you very much victor.. again! It's like you are building my studio as much as i am THANKS!

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[SmiLeyyy]

This is how it looks now!





i'm away alot now and playing/giging, so i guess it will take a while for the absorbers to come in it's place.. but they are half done!



Take care!

Tim

[SmiLeyyy]

Some new pictures!





Now i only have one broadband FPR absorber left to make.. then it's time for the basstraps

arrivederci!

[Scoobz]

Hi Tim,

Looking good, if you can afford to get superchunks in behind the rockwool traps you're making. It seems like you've got most things sorted, I think it's going to sound ok in there when you're done.

Look forward to seeing the final result!

S

[Latinlover]

nice job!

[SmiLeyyy]

Thank you! =)

I'm now almost finished with the superchunks! It's only some final touch to make them look better!

I made them 40cm deep (15,75") And i have to say that the superchunks made a HUUUUGE difference!

i think i will do the measure part tomorrow, but i have to learn HOW first

i will post some pictures soon!


Thanks for your reply's!


Tim