The best of both worlds..

justanalogue · 5th June 2009, 07:32 PM

Hello all,

we started today to renovate the rehearsal space/studio into a real small studio for recording mainly acoustic music, on 2" 24 track and digital.

First batch of pictures, putting in a French oak floor, used but for free!
Also you see some cork panels on the wall, plan is to cover all walls with 2" of cork.

Any comments or recommendations are more then welcome.

Best regards,

Willem

R_O · 6th June 2009, 06:36 PM

Hai Willem,
Yer from the Netherland, not?

So euhm, what's with the cork? Why would you cover all walls with cork? It doesn't reduce transmission loss, it doesn't absorb.
On of the pix show a panel in front of the window, why? is it for isolation purposes? What is that material.

Got plans? (a floor plan maybe?)

flute player · 7th June 2009, 09:29 AM

Hi there,

I see you have layed the wood directly onto the excisting stone floor with only a thin layer between it.
Have you thougt about this before, cause I think this will give a lot of contact sound.
Succes met bouwen.

Greetz,

Paul

R_O · 7th June 2009, 10:40 AM

Adding the new floor on the existing one if fine. You don't wanna pretend to make it float. The isolation is pure for thermal purposes and make it less squeaky. Since your floor is tiled on, probably?!, a concrete floor your save. Concrete doesn't flank that easy. It's the wooden floor that'll do the flanking. But, if it's just one room it's nothing to worry about. The only thing I could think of that should be trouble, is the (now) noticable resonating of the floor.

justanalogue · 7th June 2009, 12:22 PM

I should have mentioned that this is the control room we are working on.
It's a free standing building of roughly 100 m2 or 1100 square foot.
The main floor is of concrete, 2m or 7 foot thick, used to be a support for heavy machinery in the passed.
We checked the level of the floor tiles and it was done very well that's why we use this thin alu foil coated foam just for leveling the differences in the surfaces of the tiles.

The cork panels we are going to use are there for 2 reasons: thermal insulation and for the acoustic absorption.
In each corner we will put a bass trap and, if necessary we will add reflective panels when the room turns out to be too dead sounding.

Will post a rough sketch of our plans later..

Willem.

And yes I am Dutch....

R_O · 7th June 2009, 02:30 PM

Ha die Willem :)

The cork, thrash it and get some "real" absorbers. You got the cork for free I suppose? It'll make a better floor instead. Speaking of which, with a "hard" floor like that you also need a "soft" ceiling.

2m thick concrete? WOW! that's GREAT for a tracking space, let alone a CR. Good stuff!

justanalogue · 7th June 2009, 02:51 PM

Just a VERY rough sketch to get the idea.

I will stick to the cork, because we do not glue them to the wall, they fit snugly between the 2"x2" battens on the wall, will secure them with 0,75" x 5" wood.

If it doesn't work we can cover them with other material to keep the thermal insulation.
We are very close to the river and it get's very chilly in the evening, not to mention the winter....

Willem.

greatgreatriver · 7th June 2009, 05:05 PM

I love the looks of your wooden floor. I want to do something similar in my basement studio but I'm not sure how... I've put wood floor in our house but I use those thin cheap wood floors that's easy to install. We call them "click floor" in Sweden. But they don't look and feel as nice as real "heavy/thick" wood floor.

Very nice.

justanalogue · 7th June 2009, 05:49 PM

Thanks, we got it for free, it's 18mm massive French oak and I guess it was expensive as hell.
The stuff you mention is called laminate and is mostly a thin layer of wood on top.
Used a lot in houses over here, looks good and easy to maintain.

Willem.

greatgreatriver · 9th June 2009, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justanalogue

Thanks, we got it for free, it's 18mm massive French oak and I guess it was expensive as hell.
The stuff you mention is called laminate and is mostly a thin layer of wood on top.
Used a lot in houses over here, looks good and easy to maintain.

Willem.

Yes - laminate!

It's easy to install... But you can't beet the real deal. I love thick wonderful wood on floors.

justanalogue · 12th June 2009, 12:31 PM

Some more floor went in due to the big help of Big John, as well one of the four racks I bought for €25 a piece, brand new 16 RU slanted rack out of a DAP tour case.
No good for touring but good enough to bolt them together and finish the top and sides with birch plywood.

Willem.

greatgreatriver · 12th June 2009, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justanalogue

Some more floor went in due to the big help of Big John, as well one of the four racks I bought for €25 a piece, brand new 16 RU slanted rack out of a DAP tour case.
No good for touring but good enough to bolt them together and finish the top and sides with birch plywood.

Willem.

I want a big Johan as well... He can come and help me float the floor so I can be finished with my square "not so hifi" drooom room.

Looks great man. Are you gonna treat the floor with something when you guys are done? Seal the wood etc etc etc-

justanalogue · 17th June 2009, 08:55 PM

Thanks to Big John and Sebastiaan this is current status of the control room.
I couldn't help because I am renovating my kitchen at home as well...
In the 2nd picture, top right, is the steel girder were we put the 4th wall for the control room

Willem.

justanalogue · 21st June 2009, 12:39 PM

Some more progress..

Willem.

justanalogue · 1st July 2009, 08:42 PM

Hello all,

last Monday we finally made it into a room.
Got some solid doors from the Metropole, thanks again, I already have their multi core
audio cables a while ago....lots of them.
OK new batch of pictures, including 1 finished bass trap, covered with some off white
fabric.
The whole back wall will be a bass trap, yeah!

Enough small talk, pictures.

Regards,

Willem.

inlinenl · 1st July 2009, 10:31 PM

succes Willem , de plant heeft wat water nodig :-)

greatgreatriver · 2nd July 2009, 10:23 AM

Nice!

justanalogue · 3rd August 2009, 09:02 PM

Some more pictures, been way too busy for updating..
Just some pre amps in the racks, we have to solder the whole infrastruture after the holidays.

Willem.

d1rtynyc · 28th August 2009, 06:53 PM

I like your desk. Did you build that??? Nice....
Some more pics of that would be great.

justanalogue · 13th December 2009, 11:29 PM

Soon I will post an update, just been to busy lately.

Regards,

Willem.

justanalogue · 9th February 2010, 07:56 PM

Just finished the main patch for the tracking room.

Top row are 12 returns for monitoring and re amping.
Second, unlabeled row are directly going to pre amps.
Third and fourth row going to the console.

Willem.

justanalogue · 13th February 2010, 03:18 AM

Have put up the patch on the wall and connected everything...
Some more photo's of the control room.
First tracking is tomorrow and Sunday.

Best regards,

Willem.

Hacmac · 22nd February 2010, 12:01 AM

Looks lovely guys.

5th June 2009, 07:32 PM	#1
justanalogue Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 36	The best of both worlds.. Hello all, we started today to renovate the rehearsal space/studio into a real small studio for recording mainly acoustic music, on 2" 24 track and digital. First batch of pictures, putting in a French oak floor, used but for free! Also you see some cork panels on the wall, plan is to cover all walls with 2" of cork. Any comments or recommendations are more then welcome. Best regards, Willem Attached Thumbnails

7th June 2009, 09:29 AM	#3
flute player Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lelystad Posts: 521	Hi there, I see you have layed the wood directly onto the excisting stone floor with only a thin layer between it. Have you thougt about this before, cause I think this will give a lot of contact sound. Succes met bouwen. Greetz, Paul __________________ Everything starts with a melody

7th June 2009, 02:51 PM	#7
justanalogue Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 36	Just a VERY rough sketch to get the idea. I will stick to the cork, because we do not glue them to the wall, they fit snugly between the 2"x2" battens on the wall, will secure them with 0,75" x 5" wood. If it doesn't work we can cover them with other material to keep the thermal insulation. We are very close to the river and it get's very chilly in the evening, not to mention the winter.... Willem. Attached Thumbnails

7th June 2009, 05:05 PM	#8
greatgreatriver Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,179	I love the looks of your wooden floor. I want to do something similar in my basement studio but I'm not sure how... I've put wood floor in our house but I use those thin cheap wood floors that's easy to install. We call them "click floor" in Sweden. But they don't look and feel as nice as real "heavy/thick" wood floor. Very nice. __________________

12th June 2009, 12:31 PM	#11
justanalogue Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 36	Small update. Some more floor went in due to the big help of Big John, as well one of the four racks I bought for €25 a piece, brand new 16 RU slanted rack out of a DAP tour case. No good for touring but good enough to bolt them together and finish the top and sides with birch plywood. Willem. Attached Thumbnails

6th June 2009, 06:36 PM	#2
R_O Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Netherlands Posts: 36	Hai Willem, Yer from the Netherland, not? So euhm, what's with the cork? Why would you cover all walls with cork? It doesn't reduce transmission loss, it doesn't absorb. On of the pix show a panel in front of the window, why? is it for isolation purposes? What is that material. Got plans? (a floor plan maybe?)

7th June 2009, 10:40 AM	#4
R_O Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Netherlands Posts: 36	Adding the new floor on the existing one if fine. You don't wanna pretend to make it float. The isolation is pure for thermal purposes and make it less squeaky. Since your floor is tiled on, probably?!, a concrete floor your save. Concrete doesn't flank that easy. It's the wooden floor that'll do the flanking. But, if it's just one room it's nothing to worry about. The only thing I could think of that should be trouble, is the (now) noticable resonating of the floor.

7th June 2009, 12:22 PM	#5
justanalogue Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 36	I should have mentioned that this is the control room we are working on. It's a free standing building of roughly 100 m2 or 1100 square foot. The main floor is of concrete, 2m or 7 foot thick, used to be a support for heavy machinery in the passed. We checked the level of the floor tiles and it was done very well that's why we use this thin alu foil coated foam just for leveling the differences in the surfaces of the tiles. The cork panels we are going to use are there for 2 reasons: thermal insulation and for the acoustic absorption. In each corner we will put a bass trap and, if necessary we will add reflective panels when the room turns out to be too dead sounding. Will post a rough sketch of our plans later.. Willem. And yes I am Dutch....

7th June 2009, 02:30 PM	#6
R_O Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Netherlands Posts: 36	Ha die Willem :) The cork, thrash it and get some "real" absorbers. You got the cork for free I suppose? It'll make a better floor instead. Speaking of which, with a "hard" floor like that you also need a "soft" ceiling. 2m thick concrete? WOW! that's GREAT for a tracking space, let alone a CR. Good stuff!

7th June 2009, 05:49 PM	#9
justanalogue Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 36	Thanks, we got it for free, it's 18mm massive French oak and I guess it was expensive as hell. The stuff you mention is called laminate and is mostly a thin layer of wood on top. Used a lot in houses over here, looks good and easy to maintain. Willem.

17th June 2009, 08:55 PM	#13
justanalogue Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 36	Small update Thanks to Big John and Sebastiaan this is current status of the control room. I couldn't help because I am renovating my kitchen at home as well... In the 2nd picture, top right, is the steel girder were we put the 4th wall for the control room Willem. Attached Thumbnails

21st June 2009, 12:39 PM	#14
justanalogue Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 36	More cork on the wall Some more progress.. Willem. Attached Thumbnails

1st July 2009, 08:42 PM	#15
justanalogue Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 36	We have an enclosed room! Hello all, last Monday we finally made it into a room. Got some solid doors from the Metropole, thanks again, I already have their multi core audio cables a while ago....lots of them. OK new batch of pictures, including 1 finished bass trap, covered with some off white fabric. The whole back wall will be a bass trap, yeah! Enough small talk, pictures. Regards, Willem. Attached Thumbnails

1st July 2009, 10:31 PM	#16
inlinenl Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,303	succes Willem , de plant heeft wat water nodig :-) __________________ Greetings/Regards Wim Bult www.inlinemastering.com

2nd July 2009, 10:23 AM	#17
greatgreatriver Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,179	Nice! __________________

3rd August 2009, 09:02 PM	#18
justanalogue Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 36	Fnally an update Some more pictures, been way too busy for updating.. Just some pre amps in the racks, we have to solder the whole infrastruture after the holidays. Willem. Attached Thumbnails

28th August 2009, 06:53 PM	#19
d1rtynyc Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: L.E.S. NYC Posts: 1,894	I like your desk. Did you build that??? Nice.... Some more pics of that would be great.

13th December 2009, 11:29 PM	#20
justanalogue Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 36	Soon I will post an update, just been to busy lately. Regards, Willem.

9th February 2010, 07:56 PM	#21
justanalogue Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 36	Main patch ready. Just finished the main patch for the tracking room. Top row are 12 returns for monitoring and re amping. Second, unlabeled row are directly going to pre amps. Third and fourth row going to the console. Willem. Attached Thumbnails

13th February 2010, 03:18 AM	#22
justanalogue Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 36	Getting there Have put up the patch on the wall and connected everything... Some more photo's of the control room. First tracking is tomorrow and Sunday. Best regards, Willem. Attached Thumbnails

22nd February 2010, 12:01 AM	#23
Hacmac Gear interested Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 8	Looks lovely guys.

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