New WireWorld construction

[wesarvin]

Originally Posted by mwagener

I was advised that I should not waste my money on cotton batts or 703 inside the walls and to use R-19 (the pink stuff) in the outside wall and R-30 for the inside wall. Any comments? Does pinky have the same or similar STC rating as 703?

http://www.bobgolds.com/AbsorptionCoefficients.htm

I built my traps out of pinky to save cost. They work pretty well. I also believe that Ethan Winer says that 4inch 703 is about the same as 10inch fluffy. When in doubt, the Bob Golds site is good.

[DanielaPetri]

nice

[Doublehelix]

I have a question...

Photo 2:
Sunset over Pipe 3.

Why does pipe 3 say "pipe 3" on it instead of just "3"????

Haha! I saw that and got a good chuckle! That is like labeling one of your cables as "cable 3" rather than just "3". Of course it's a cable!!! In this case, of course it's a pipe!!!


Just razzin' ya man! It is looking great, and with your inspector extraordinaire, how could you go wrong?

[mwagener]

Originally Posted by Doublehelix

I have a question...






Why does pipe 3 say "pipe 3" on it instead of just "3"????

Haha! I saw that and got a good chuckle! That is like labeling one of your cables as "cable 3" rather than just "3". Of course it's a cable!!! In this case, of course it's a pipe!!!


Just razzin' ya man! It is looking great, and with your inspector extraordinaire, how could you go wrong?

Because us Germans like to overexplain ourselves In any case that bit will be cut off and then nobody will ever know after.

[mwagener]

Originally Posted by guitarwes

http://www.bobgolds.com/AbsorptionCoefficients.htm

I built my traps out of pinky to save cost. They work pretty well. I also believe that Ethan Winer says that 4inch 703 is about the same as 10inch fluffy. When in doubt, the Bob Golds site is good.

Wow, thank you for that link, awesome.

All I ever wanted to do is push faders up and down, now I am reading about Absorption Coefficents

[PhiloBeddoe]

Originally Posted by mwagener

Because us Germans like to overexplain ourselves

Considering the German influence I would have expected something more like "recordingstudiocablepipe"(all one word).

I'm not an expert, but my impression was that the pink stuff is fine for within the wall cavity since the drywall/frame - air/insulation - drywall/frame (a mass-air-mass spring system) is what provides the sound isolation. The insulation serves to damp the drywall a bit and of course has the desirable thermal properties. I believe the basic idea is to get the resonance frequency of the system as low as possible but don't quote me.

Things like doors, windows, and HVAC (aka breaches in your wall) are often what end up ruining the STC.

However, the pink stuff is far from optimal for a trap or absorber since it has uneven absorption characteristics. The reason people use 703 and mineral wool for acoustic treatment is that they are much more uniform across the frequency spectrum than the pink stuff.

I would highly recommend the book "Home Recording Studio: Build it like the Pros" by Rod Gervais. If you spend time on studio construction forums you'll find that he's a real expert with real construction experience and an advocate of standard construction materials versus specialty products.

[mwagener]

Yes, the traps are all going to be 703 or equivalent cotton stuff.

Got Rod Gervais' book (and the Alton Everest Master Handbook of acoustics, and...), great info.

Today they finished nailing the OSB to the roof. Tomorrow the "real" roofer comes and puts up the shingles etc.

I started filling in the holes with caulk and foam.

...and finally inspector Bamboleo finished checking the roof construction

[mwagener]

Any of you guys have a way to record room reverb? The empty studio room sounds awesome, no echo, just plain long reverb, would be well worth it. I don't have the necessary equipment, I know - I should .

[Spookym15]

Looks good, cant wait to see more.

I Love these threads

[mwagener]

Well,I guess I put a little too much foam into that split in the concrete, looks like an alien.

I started on putting the stringers in. They are supposed to make every panel have a different frequency and it seems to work. Insulation will be a PITA though, with all the different sizes.

[mwagener]

Originally Posted by PhiloBeddoe

Considering the German influence I would have expected something more like "recordingstudiocablepipe"(all one word).

...

Fixed it...

[TVPostSound]

Well,I guess I put a little too much foam into that split in the concrete,

I had the same issue with foam, when I was installing the replacement windows in my house.

Someone told me there are different expansion ratios available. Its written on the can.

[mwagener]

Yes there are, the stuff in the red can expands quite a bit more than the stuff in the blue can. The red stuff also stays a bit softer in the end.

It's not really a problem, I can just cut it off, but I wanted it to go in every little crack in that concrete.

[ramo]

Originally Posted by mwagener

STUDIOKABELROHRENDSTÜCK NUMMER 4B

The word "END" in your word is pretty creative! *lol*

[mwagener]

Yeah, that's it, could not think of anything else to put in there.

[dkatz42]

Nice pics, good to see progress.

When I built mine, being an utter geek, I wrote a little program to spit out a random schedule of stringer offsets for my contractor to use. Humans are particularly lousy at randomization.

The insulation was painful, but it really does work (and you get remarkably rigid walls with all that extra framing.)

The mistake I made was not taking the boxes into account when laying out the stringers; I ended up having to remove a few of them because they ended up exactly where I wanted to mount boxes. You also have to drill a lot more holes for vertical wire runs.

(My real geekery was writing a program to calculate the best fit ceiling pitch in the loft space above my studio; the ductwork runs along under the pitched roof and has all kinds of brackets and things sticking out. We measured all of the intrusions in three-space and did a little geometry and stuck the results into my CAD software and it all worked. The room is slightly asymmetric, but it's cool...)

[mwagener]

Yeah, not looking forward to the insulation, but it is getting cooler here so I can wear long sleeves without frying.

There will be another room inside the tracking room and most of the cables are going to run through that framework.

Tomorrow we're expecting another inspector (frame). Then it's onward to getting the HVAC installed. We have to run the ducts before we can put the drywall on the ceiling, it is too small to access up there.

After that we have to run all the cables for the balanced power and normal power.

Right now I'm trying to figure out if I should have the ceiling beams of the inside tracking room go up in between the actual ceiling beams, to keep it as high as possible or if another layer of drywall would be more beneficial.

...just wanted to push faders...

Well it looks like the SSL is being delivered this week, so I can set it up at the old studio and work on my audio setup. It also means that my Sonys can go up for sale.

[BlueSprocket]

Originally Posted by mwagener

Insulation will be a PITA though, with all the different sizes.

Michael,

Have you considered doing blown in insulation instead of pink stuff or rockwool?

From what I've seen it has great specs as far as energy containment. And, if air isn't getting out, sound isn't either. Its very dense stuff, so it should dampen the air space pretty well.

Just a thought.

[ramo]

Originally Posted by mwagener

Well it looks like the SSL is being delivered this week...

So you decided for the SSL/Speck route?

Originally Posted by mwagener

...just wanted to push faders...

Life isn't that easy!

[mwagener]

Originally Posted by BlueSprocket

Michael,

Have you considered doing blown in insulation instead of pink stuff or rockwool?

From what I've seen it has great specs as far as energy containment. And, if air isn't getting out, sound isn't either. Its very dense stuff, so it should dampen the air space pretty well.

Just a thought.

Yes, I've thought about it but it seems like the Blow-In insulation was a lot more expensive, no?

[mwagener]

Originally Posted by Glen Rushmore

So you decided for the SSL/Speck route?

Actually it's going to be the SSL AWS900+ together with my MC pro controller. In the last minute I decided for the SSL and against the 5MC fader packs. I like having a full recall analog console in there with automation, so I can offer analog mixes if need be. The SSL also takes place of the Speck, which was going to do the summing duties (sounds absolutely great for that). The AWS will give me faders for DAW control plus other functions and analog summing in one piece. The MC Pro is going to do all the editing etc.

I am planning a setup with major internet involvement (that's all I can say for now) and other engineers will be able to relate to the analog console much easier.

[Kris]

Originally Posted by mwagener

Yeah, not looking forward to the insulation, but it is getting cooler here so I can wear long sleeves without frying.

Nothing worse than insulation... except maybe mudding and taping... Enjoy!!!

[Doublehelix]

Originally Posted by Kris

Nothing worse than insulation... except maybe mudding and taping... Enjoy!!!

Haha! Ain't that the truth??? I thought the insulation work was a pain... that is until I got started on the drywall. The whole drywall experience was HELL for me. The cutting, lifting, taping, mudding, sanding, etc.

YUCK!

If you need any help however...




you are TOTALLY SCREWED!!! There is no way in hell I am coming down to help out!!! I will never do a drywall project like that again!

By the time I was done with the first layer, I wanted to run away and do something easy, like brain surgery. Instead, I had to do it ALL OVER AGAIN, but this time with Green Glue!!!

It was HELL I tell you!!! (But totally worth it in the end!)

[ramo]

Originally Posted by mwagener

Actually it's going to be the SSL AWS900+ together with my MC pro controller. In the last minute I decided for the SSL and against the 5MC fader packs. I like having a full recall analog console in there with automation, so I can offer analog mixes if need be. The SSL also takes place of the Speck, which was going to do the summing duties (sounds absolutely great for that). The AWS will give me faders for DAW control plus other functions and analog summing in one piece. The MC Pro is going to do all the editing etc.

I am planning a setup with major internet involvement (that's all I can say for now) and other engineers will be able to relate to the analog console much easier.

Oh yes of course it was the MC-5 Faders/Speck combination...

- The SSL seems to be a good decision since computer stuff like the MC-5 probably don't keep it's value. The SSL still rocks in 15 years and you don't need a bailout!

[Earwitness]

Originally Posted by Doublehelix

Haha! Ain't that the truth??? I thought the insulation work was a pain... that is until I got started on the drywall. The whole drywall experience was HELL for me. The cutting, lifting, taping, mudding, sanding, etc.

YUCK!

If you need any help however...




you are TOTALLY SCREWED!!! There is no way in hell I am coming down to help out!!! I will never do a drywall project like that again!

By the time I was done with the first layer, I wanted to run away and do something easy, like brain surgery. Instead, I had to do it ALL OVER AGAIN, but this time with Green Glue!!!

It was HELL I tell you!!! (But totally worth it in the end!)

Was the green glue worth it??? I'm in the same boat and wondering if green glue is worth its weight...

[5down1up]

Good luck with it Michael !

A studio surrounded by trees ... is a dream !

Gruß,
kai

[davew]

looking good michale! that'll be lot's of fun. is the new desk going to be surrounded like the old one?

[Sultan]

Hey Michael! You are right insultating really sux. When we built our house we had a company come in do it. It took them a half a day to insulate the whole house and the garage. The house is 3000 sq. feet and the garage is 1100 sq. feet. It was totally worth it!

Hey I met Roy Thomas Baker at AES. I told him I knew you.....and then he stopped talking to me......wierd.......ok just kidding he spoke very highly of you!!

[mwagener]

A little progress today:

The first two doors arrived. Those go into the control room, opposite of each other. They will be the natural light source for the control room.

We also cut the hole for the door to what will be the lounge (storage at this time)

We put in the cross bracing, glued to the OSB and nailed to the stud frame. Now every "panel" resonates at a different frequency.

... and I installed patio doors. Still have to put insulation in the gaps and fill them with silicone.

Tomorrow I have to uninstall the Sonys at the old studio, if I have time, because the SSL is arriving on Wednesday I want to set everything up in the old place, do a mix on it and make sure I'm not missing anything. Also a good time to figure out the patchbay needs.

[blackcatdigi]

Originally Posted by mwagener

I want to set everything up in the old place, do a mix on it and make sure I'm not missing anything.

I very much look forward to hearing your impressions of the 900!

The studio is coming along nicely. Wish I were closer and could lend you a hand (or a strong back).