New WireWorld construction

[mwagener]

Originally Posted by spandex man

Im sorry, i think i may have miss-read something.

I could have sworn i just read that Michael Wagener was working with EXTREME again. But of course this cannot be correct as im not currently having sex with Jessca Alba in front of a rack of 500 series pre's like in the rest of the dream i had last night.....

Might not be a dream, at least for one workshop. They might bring Jessica, not sure though... ... and sorry, no 500 rack at WireWorld...
























...yet.

[mwagener]

Originally Posted by Glen Rushmore

It takes shape!


Michael do you kept the pipes longer than necessary and cut them off later?
They look pretty long.

What kind of cable do you pull thru the pipes?

Can't wait to see the roof!

The pipes are kept longer than they will be in the end. As soon as the concrete is dry we'll cut them off to about 2" above the concrete.

I am changing the patchbay from a 1/4" in the old location to TT here, so I can't use ANY cables from the old studio. I am getting Mogami cables from RedCo with a DB25 on one end (patchbay side) an nothing on the other end. We then pull the cable through the pipes and I will swing the soldering iron for a few weeks to put the proper ends on the equipment side.

Clueless
my construction is a far cry from the amazing studio that you are building. There will only be a split concrete slab on top of the gravel. It is going to be about 4" thick and about 1' thick on the outside perimeter and where the split is, to support the walls.

What size pipe is that in your picture and where did you find those cool shallow knees?

[Clueless]

Originally Posted by mwagener

What size pipe is that in your picture and where did you find those cool shallow knees?

The large pipes are 4" (inner diameter). Analog and digital signals are run in separate pipes. The shallow knees are a good 2' radius bend--which is easily swallowed by the 2' minimum "depth" of the pipes (in some cases 4'). I think we have some large thermal device that helps us bend the pipes. The wire will be traveling through a seamless interface from start to finish--good for pulling.

Keep up the good work! I'm wondering if I should show my crew that you've reached in 15 days the point that took me 15 weeks (or so) to reach!

[mwagener]

Wow, I should have asked that question before I started gluing pipes, great idea, thanx, I use that next time. Wait, there will be no next time, THIS IS IT for building studios

[spandex man]

Originally Posted by mwagener

Might not be a dream, at least for one workshop. They might bring Jessica, not sure though... ... and sorry, no 500 rack at WireWorld...
























...yet.

Well thanks for keeping my dream alive, Michael.

[mwagener]

...nothing new - waiting for the inspector.

[dkatz42]

Looking awesome, congrats! I'll definitely get out there for another workshop, though I suspect it's not going to be private this time. Did your accountant ever forgive you?

[Killahurts]

Michael,

I used the "shallow knees" clueless used when I did my build 7 years ago. Made the pulling a lot easier- one of my runs (from the CR to the MR) is 4 pipes that have to go 35'.

I was so concerned about water (rain) and construction dust getting into my pipes that I bought those pre-fitted rubber caps that go over them, that you can tighten down with a screwdriver. Then I wrapped them with duct tape.

The construction guys picked at them on breaks, used them as cup holders, leaned on them, etc., so it was a good thing I erred on the side of caution.

Looks GREAT so far! Keep 'em coming- er, uh, after the inspector wakes up.

[mwagener]

Quick update. We got the inspectors approval, this was this morning when I left for work.

[ramo]

Originally Posted by mwagener

We got the inspectors approval...

That was a long week!

But things are rolling again!

[studjo]

Originally Posted by mwagener

Quick update. We got the inspectors approval, this was this morning when I left for work.

you're working???????



looks good man

[mwagener]

Originally Posted by studjo

you're working???????



looks good man

Thanx

Yes, I'm in the middle of a workshop at the "old" studio, that's why I didn't mind things slowing down a bit. The lumber package comes on Monday and on Tuesday they are putting up the outside structure and the roof, at least that is the plan for now

I decided the control room will have one wall (the outside wall) as a main structure, 2 layers of plywood under the siding, natural cotton batts in between the 2x4 frame for insulation, then 2 layers of 5/8" drywall on the inside, one vertical and one horizontal installed. That should do for the living room volume in the control room and to keep the singing birds out. There will be acoustic treatment construction on the walls, a lowered ceiling with acoustic tiles and diffusers and a 2' bass trap in the back.

The tracking room will have the 2 layers of plywood under the siding outside, then the 2x4 wall frame with the natural cotton insulation, then a 2" air gap, and a second wall with the cotton batts in the frame then another two layers of 5/8" drywall. The bottom plates of all walls will be sitting on isolation material, which I yet have to find I think we used some kind of rubber strip with adhesive backing at WireWorld 1

[mwagener]

Love the smell of concrete in the morning...

[rainsinvelvet]

Hey Michael!
I'm enjoying following your build. Thanks for keeping us updated!

-ERic

[Killahurts]

Originally Posted by mwagener

Love the smell of concrete in the morning...

Smells like victory...

[ramo]

Originally Posted by Killahurts

Smells like victory...

...over the inspector!

[mwagener]

The lumber package has arrived. They delivered the wrong OSB, I wanted two layers of 5/8" and they delivered two layers of 1/2". I guess I put another layer of drywall on the inside in between the studs if necessary.

It is really hard to communicate the acoustic requirements for the construction, I guess us audio folks are just used to dealing with this every day, so it makes sense to us, but "normal" people don't even begin to understand what we are talking about.

[PhiloBeddoe]

Originally Posted by mwagener

It is really hard to communicate the acoustic requirements for the construction, I guess us audio folks are just used to dealing with this every day, so it makes sense to us, but "normal" people don't even begin to understand what we are talking about.

This is very true. You definitely have to keep a close eye on the framing, HVAC, and electrical. Carpenters will want to link double studded walls and electricians will want to put outlet boxes back to back and link them with conduit thus "shorting out" a double studded wall. Plan the ductwork routing carefully.

Man, I'd avoid putting drywall in between the studs if at all possible. Sounds easy in principle, but in practice it's a pain since studs are never straight. So you have to find the smallest distance between studs in each cavity and cut the drywall to fit into that width. Then you end up with a gap in the places where the distance between the studs is greater so you have to fill with caulk (or I suppose you could just live with the gap).

Looks good. Good luck!

[mwagener]

You're right, didn't even think about that. Maybe the dual 1/2" is good enough.

[Killahurts]

Originally Posted by mwagener

You're right, didn't even think about that. Maybe the dual 1/2" is good enough.

Well for that matter, one more layer of 1/2" would only be 1/4" more than the original 2 layers of 5/8" would have been.. I don't know how much better STC you would get, but I don't think it could hurt.

[mwagener]

Busy day. The building is going up, very exciting.

Photo 1: Wall one is almost ready

Photo 2: Wow, that was quick.

Photo 3: On the right side, in the foreground you can see where the door to the lounge is going to be. The next opening will be for the Randall guitar rack, it will stick out into an unused part of the old building. And in the distance left and right will be the french doors to the patio and whatever is going to be behind the building

[mwagener]

this is going fast...

That is me on photo 2 trying to get the darn piece of wood out from the concrete split.

Phot 3: they are layering the 1/2" on the outside. Looks like a lot of Caulk in my future...

[mwagener]

almost done for the day.

Photo 1:
the opposing french door holes.

Photo 2:
Sunset over Pipe 3.

Photo 3:
That's it for the day.

Photo 4:
taking shape.

Roof tomorrow...no rain forecast

[mwagener]

I was advised that I should not waste my money on cotton batts or 703 inside the walls and to use R-19 (the pink stuff) in the outside wall and R-30 for the inside wall. Any comments? Does pinky have the same or similar STC rating as 703?

[Clueless]

I don't know but I've been told...inside the walls it's all about the mass as far as the STCs are concerned. More mass means more STC (regular air is pretty light weight compared with foam). You also need to make sure that your wall masses and your between-the-wall masses don't couple. They can touch (rubbing against each other), but impulses from one wall should not be able to excite the masses to move the other wall (which could happen if you affix the pink stuff to both walls with glue).

[Earwitness]

Hey I'm in the same boat here getting ready to pour concreat. Michael we met at a gearslutz party after NAMM at James place. Anyway... the city forced me to do one wall instead of two, too many hoops to jump through, soooo... I'm doing a 6" wall with staggered 4" studs with heavy layers on both sides. I'm going to try and keep some air space inside even if its only the 2" left over if I use 4" rockwool or R-30. Anyone ever built a studio with a staggered stud wall? Its like every other two by four touches the inside then the outside. My goal is just to be able to play drums and not have it reach the neighbors house.
great to see you forging the way!
sorry to jack the thread but I just thought I'm asking the same questions...
Oh Michael how tall are those rooms going to be? I'm shooting for 10' on mine
Sam

[ramo]

Originally Posted by mwagener

Photo 2:
Sunset over Pipe 3.

Michael,

with this picture you compete with Wolf in the photography business!

Can't wait to attend a workshop in this jewel!


Nice progress!

[Doublehelix]

I was also told to just use the pink fluffy stuff for the outside walls. Seems to work great, although there is obviously nothing to compare it to! I would have had to build 2 identical structures, one with each insulation type for comparison!

[Killahurts]

Originally Posted by Earwitness

Anyone ever built a studio with a staggered stud wall? Its like every other two by four touches the inside then the outside. My goal is just to be able to play drums and not have it reach the neighbors house.

Hey Sam, staggered walls are great, but second best. Nothing beats full on double wall construction with 2 layers of staggered and corner overlapped (for air sealing) sheet-rock on the far outside and far inside. At lease 1" between walls. Walls filled with rockwool or something else heavy. I don't know if the pink stuff can do as well as rockwool, but rockwool is relatively cheap, so..

Drums are loud, so it's going to be a challenge for you. Just remember, you could build a room with 24" of concrete all around, but leave one hole a millimeter in diameter, and ALL the sound will still get out through that damn little hole (I'm exaggerating, but you get my point).


Michael, WOW! It looks so much bigger when you put people into the pics. It's coming together really fast, congratulations!

[mwagener]

Photo 1: The roof is partly done. They ran out of OSB, so by tomorrow latest Friday this first phase should be finished.

Photo 2: Inspector "Woofl" finished checking the pipes...