Our New Studio Build in Calgary, Canada... Yet another photo thread! - Page 2

True North · 29th August 2007, 05:53 AM

Very cool - please keep the pics coming I love these type of threads

Best of luck with the build, cheers!!!

Matthew Murray · 3rd September 2007, 12:18 AM

Hey all,

I was hoping some of you might be able to give me some advice here. I had read in a couple of different places (wish I could remember where, I can't seem to) that sloping your ceiling up in the back of the control room provides some extra help in removing reflections and overall improves the accuracy of your mixes. So that's what we did in the control room.

But I just had a studio owner who I trust tell me that it's really the opposite of what I should be aiming for. Doh!

Here's what we've done with the framing of the ceiling in the control room:

As you can see, there's a bit of a flat ceiling in the very front (maybe two feet out from the front wall) and then it begins a steady slope from around 12 feet high all the way up to 15 or 16 feet high.

A few questions:

1. Could I get some feedback on whether or not this is a good approach, and why? I've heard it both ways now.

2. Can anybody make some suggestions, if this is a *bad* approach, on how to modify what we already have to make the best improvement to the ceiling? We don't want to tear down what we already have if possible, but I'd love to hear all perspectives on this.

If the slope is indeed problematic, we might as well fix it now while it's just a frame and has no sheetrock on it.

Thanks!!

Matthew

planet red · 3rd September 2007, 01:59 AM

I'm having a new control room designed by Wes Lachot and my ceiling is going to be lower in the front and higher in the back (the walls will be more narrow in the front and wider in the back).

Its a pretty common way to build a RFZ mix position.. so I'm sure you're safe.

From looking at your pictures is your control room not going to be totally symmetrical?

Cant wait to start one of these pages for my control room build..

rainy-taxi · 3rd September 2007, 08:40 AM

cool topic and it starts to look nice ! Already any ideas about the finishing? What colors, lights etc?

megl · 4th September 2007, 01:41 AM

Looks great! Keep 'em coming ;-)

/megl

Farout · 4th September 2007, 02:51 AM

Awesome progress! I love looking at pictures!!! I am such a geek .... why can't I be normal and look at porn like everybody else??

Thank you for sharing this journey with us! Good luck to you and your parter (s) as well.
Take care!

el cochino · 4th September 2007, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farout

Awesome progress! I love looking at pictures!!! I am such a geek .... why can't I be normal and look at porn like everybody else??

Thank you for sharing this journey with us! Good luck to you and your parter (s) as well.
Take care!

I look at both, porn and gear/studio pics.

vaka · 4th September 2007, 01:32 PM

Keep those pics coming!

Farout · 4th September 2007, 01:37 PM

OMG .... I thought it was a myth: people who are able to look at both porn & studio pics without heart failure or head-explosion!

*Igor voice*
Mahs-tah!!

greyskull · 4th September 2007, 02:16 PM

looks awesome mate.
when does the rockwool fun commence?

redddog · 4th September 2007, 06:36 PM

I might be seeing things...but you need to get 2X4s underneath your headers against the door/window frames.

Am I just missing those? If so, I appologise.

inlinenl · 5th September 2007, 09:34 PM

congrats Matthew !!!!! ... enjoy the pictures ... just finished my rebuild ..
good luck ... nice equipment !!!

well my ceiling is sloped ... worked out OK

barefoot · 7th September 2007, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew Murray

As you can see, there's a bit of a flat ceiling in the very front (maybe two feet out from the front wall) and then it begins a steady slope from around 12 feet high all the way up to 15 or 16 feet high.

A few questions:

1. Could I get some feedback on whether or not this is a good approach, and why? I've heard it both ways now.

Matthew,

The sloped ceiling helps break up room modes either way. However, if you look at my attached drawing you can see that the first ceiling reflection travels a shorter distance when the front of the room is the shorter end. Longer reflections are better. From this perspective, having the ceiling slope down towards the rear is preferable.

Btw, this graphical method of mirroring the room across a wall/ceiling is a convenient way of determining the reflection points. Just draw a line from the speaker image to the listening position. Where it intersects the wall/ceiling is the first refection point. These positions are great places to put broad band absorbers, or perhaps diffusers.

Thomas

Chris Nighman · 7th September 2007, 07:03 PM

Nice diagram Thomas; very informative. Thank you.

Matthew Murray · 15th September 2007, 07:09 PM

Hey Thomas, big thanks for that!!

Matthew Murray · 22nd September 2007, 02:52 AM

Haven't posted an update in a while, we've been so busy stuffing mineral wool I haven't remembered to bring my camera.

Here's some fairly recent shots. Whole place is nearly stuffed. Resilient channels are up. We've got the windows in, and the sliding doors, and big heavy-ass doors to the live room. Although in these pictures only one of the window panes is in so far ... we're doubling up all the glass and that was already done after these photos were taken.

You can also see the steep hazzardy stairs leading up to the loft, and the iso booth with mineral wool inside of it.

Sheetrocking, here we come. We're getting tired and bitchy.

Matthew Murray · 22nd September 2007, 02:53 AM

True North · 22nd September 2007, 04:06 AM

Hey Looking GOOD Mathew, keep the pics coming!!!!

TheRealRoach · 22nd September 2007, 03:55 PM

Hey man, looking great. I LOVE the ceiliing height. Gonna be gorgeous.

Farout · 22nd September 2007, 05:10 PM

Very nice. I must say that I am very jealous at this point in time. I have been working on funds for my 'would-be' studio for some time now. It is taking a lot longer than I anticipated - seeing pics and posts such as this really help pick my spirits up!
Thanks for sharing with us!

Matthew Murray · 22nd September 2007, 06:54 PM

Hey, thanks guys. Yes, we're really, really excited about this place. Of course, it always takes longer than expected, but so far we've done really well at keeping our building costs reasonably low. It's still a lot of money for starving artists like us, but we're going to make it.

That said, this kind of a process is certainly not for the faint of heart, we're finding. Poor Jeff, who due to his talents has most certainly bore the brunt of the labour, has so far scratched his cornea with mineral wool and put a nail-gun-nail through his forearm. And beyond those injuries, it's just plain exhausting, the do-it-yourself approach is.

But I know that once we're done it's going to be the most rewarding thing either of us have ever undertaken, and that's what keeps us going.

Thanks for all the words of support!!

r0ck1r0ck2 · 22nd September 2007, 08:45 PM

JEEZUS CHRISTO!!

watch it you freaks!

it seems you'll be needing some armor..

and Don't Fall Off That Scafold ok?

i took a fall off a 2meter one last month and my ribs are just recovering now..

WATCH YOUR ASS!

other than that,

it Looks Great!

megl · 23rd September 2007, 12:43 PM

Looks great!!

What's going on top of the mineral wool?

/megl

Matthew Murray · 23rd September 2007, 06:38 PM

Resilient channel, and then we're hanging sheetrock on that, and then building some custom basstraps/diffusion where necessary at what will hopefully be some clever angles.

And yeah, those scaffoldings scare the shit out of me ... I won't even go up there. Jeff hangs off of them like Tarzan. The man has stones.

Thanks for the kind words boys and girls.

morpheuzrecords · 23rd September 2007, 09:49 PM

more pics

Matthew Murray · 24th September 2007, 05:09 PM

Bloody 'ell. We're out of steam here. Anyone know any low-cost drywallers in Calgary?

kats · 24th September 2007, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Anyone know any low-cost drywallers in Calgary?

I see a career in comedy...

pbell · 24th September 2007, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew Murray

Bloody 'ell. We're out of steam here. Anyone know any low-cost drywallers in Calgary?

You know I just might...I'll get back to you.

brendandwyer · 24th September 2007, 07:00 PM

see now i would have guessed you could have taken a case of labatts out on the street corner and rounded up 15 stout canadians and had that place sheathed in an hour :)

T_R_S · 24th September 2007, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthew Murray

Bloody 'ell. We're out of steam here. Anyone know any low-cost drywallers in Calgary?

Geeting good drywallers will save a lot of time. I may know someone that can help PM me with your phone number and I have them call you if they are not too busy.
Are you going to be using double 5/8" drywall with staggered seems and sealant between the layers?
Also I can't tell from the pics are those 2x4 or 2X6? walls?
are the studs 12" OC or 24" OC?
Nails or Screws? are the walls floating or bolted to the floor?
Sorry so many questions ... Just curious.

29th August 2007, 05:53 AM	#31
True North Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 2,265	Very cool - please keep the pics coming I love these type of threads Best of luck with the build, cheers!!! __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey" - Beck, Loser "I do use compressors/limiters but not for controlling dynamics, I use EQ for that!" Jp22 (damn I miss him) "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -- Will Durant, historian (1885-1981) "I try to get a boom out of the bass drum, in one of my albums, my CD, boom, I try to get that big boom, I could not get a big boom, I paid bucks, and could not get the boom" - Recording Expert, Tad Donley

3rd September 2007, 12:18 AM	#32
Matthew Murray Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 1,401	Sloping in Control Room Hey all, I was hoping some of you might be able to give me some advice here. I had read in a couple of different places (wish I could remember where, I can't seem to) that sloping your ceiling up in the back of the control room provides some extra help in removing reflections and overall improves the accuracy of your mixes. So that's what we did in the control room. But I just had a studio owner who I trust tell me that it's really the opposite of what I should be aiming for. Doh! Here's what we've done with the framing of the ceiling in the control room: As you can see, there's a bit of a flat ceiling in the very front (maybe two feet out from the front wall) and then it begins a steady slope from around 12 feet high all the way up to 15 or 16 feet high. A few questions: 1. Could I get some feedback on whether or not this is a good approach, and why? I've heard it both ways now. 2. Can anybody make some suggestions, if this is a bad approach, on how to modify what we already have to make the best improvement to the ceiling? We don't want to tear down what we already have if possible, but I'd love to hear all perspectives on this. If the slope is indeed problematic, we might as well fix it now while it's just a frame and has no sheetrock on it. Thanks!! Matthew __________________ -Matthew

4th September 2007, 01:32 PM	#38
vaka Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Stockholm/Borlänge, Sweden Posts: 154	Keep those pics coming! __________________ http://www.vakamusic.net \|\|\| http://www.myspace.com/vakamusic Debut wax out on Murkhouse Recordings fall 2OO8.

5th September 2007, 09:34 PM	#42
inlinenl Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Netherlands Posts: 651	congrats Matthew !!!!! ... enjoy the pictures ... just finished my rebuild .. good luck ... nice equipment !!! well my ceiling is sloped ... worked out OK __________________ Greetings/Regards Wim Bult www.inlinemastering.com The Netherlands

7th September 2007, 07:03 PM	#44
Chris Nighman Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Stow, Ohio Posts: 127	Nice diagram Thomas; very informative. Thank you. __________________ Chris Nighman Audio-Technica U.S., Inc. 1221 Commerce Dr. Stow, OH 44224 Phone: (330)686-2600 x 2135 8:30 AM - 5:30 PM EST CNighman@atus.com

3rd September 2007, 01:59 AM	#33
planet red Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: historic richmond va Posts: 621	I'm having a new control room designed by Wes Lachot and my ceiling is going to be lower in the front and higher in the back (the walls will be more narrow in the front and wider in the back). Its a pretty common way to build a RFZ mix position.. so I'm sure you're safe. From looking at your pictures is your control room not going to be totally symmetrical? Cant wait to start one of these pages for my control room build..

3rd September 2007, 08:40 AM	#34
rainy-taxi Gear addict Join Date: May 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 427	cool topic and it starts to look nice ! Already any ideas about the finishing? What colors, lights etc?

4th September 2007, 01:41 AM	#35
megl Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 165	Looks great! Keep 'em coming ;-) /megl

4th September 2007, 02:51 AM	#36
Farout Gear maniac Join Date: May 2007 Location: Baton Rouge, La Posts: 253	Awesome progress! I love looking at pictures!!! I am such a geek .... why can't I be normal and look at porn like everybody else?? Thank you for sharing this journey with us! Good luck to you and your parter (s) as well. Take care!

4th September 2007, 01:37 PM	#39
Farout Gear maniac Join Date: May 2007 Location: Baton Rouge, La Posts: 253	OMG .... I thought it was a myth: people who are able to look at both porn & studio pics without heart failure or head-explosion! Igor voice Mahs-tah!!

4th September 2007, 02:16 PM	#40
greyskull Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: surrey Posts: 106	looks awesome mate. when does the rockwool fun commence?

4th September 2007, 06:36 PM	#41
redddog Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,271	I might be seeing things...but you need to get 2X4s underneath your headers against the door/window frames. Am I just missing those? If so, I appologise.

15th September 2007, 07:09 PM	#45
Matthew Murray Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 1,401	Hey Thomas, big thanks for that!! __________________ -Matthew

22nd September 2007, 02:52 AM	#46
Matthew Murray Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 1,401	Haven't posted an update in a while, we've been so busy stuffing mineral wool I haven't remembered to bring my camera. Here's some fairly recent shots. Whole place is nearly stuffed. Resilient channels are up. We've got the windows in, and the sliding doors, and big heavy-ass doors to the live room. Although in these pictures only one of the window panes is in so far ... we're doubling up all the glass and that was already done after these photos were taken. You can also see the steep hazzardy stairs leading up to the loft, and the iso booth with mineral wool inside of it. Sheetrocking, here we come. We're getting tired and bitchy. __________________ -Matthew

22nd September 2007, 02:53 AM	#47
Matthew Murray Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 1,401	__________________ -Matthew

22nd September 2007, 04:06 AM	#48
True North Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 2,265	Hey Looking GOOD Mathew, keep the pics coming!!!! __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey" - Beck, Loser "I do use compressors/limiters but not for controlling dynamics, I use EQ for that!" Jp22 (damn I miss him) "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -- Will Durant, historian (1885-1981) "I try to get a boom out of the bass drum, in one of my albums, my CD, boom, I try to get that big boom, I could not get a big boom, I paid bucks, and could not get the boom" - Recording Expert, Tad Donley

22nd September 2007, 03:55 PM	#49
TheRealRoach Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 529	Hey man, looking great. I LOVE the ceiliing height. Gonna be gorgeous. __________________ _________ Mike Rocha myspace.com/roachmouthrecords

22nd September 2007, 05:10 PM	#50
Farout Gear maniac Join Date: May 2007 Location: Baton Rouge, La Posts: 253	Very nice. I must say that I am very jealous at this point in time. I have been working on funds for my 'would-be' studio for some time now. It is taking a lot longer than I anticipated - seeing pics and posts such as this really help pick my spirits up! Thanks for sharing with us!

22nd September 2007, 06:54 PM	#51
Matthew Murray Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 1,401	Hey, thanks guys. Yes, we're really, really excited about this place. Of course, it always takes longer than expected, but so far we've done really well at keeping our building costs reasonably low. It's still a lot of money for starving artists like us, but we're going to make it. That said, this kind of a process is certainly not for the faint of heart, we're finding. Poor Jeff, who due to his talents has most certainly bore the brunt of the labour, has so far scratched his cornea with mineral wool and put a nail-gun-nail through his forearm. And beyond those injuries, it's just plain exhausting, the do-it-yourself approach is. But I know that once we're done it's going to be the most rewarding thing either of us have ever undertaken, and that's what keeps us going. Thanks for all the words of support!! __________________ -Matthew

22nd September 2007, 08:45 PM	#52
r0ck1r0ck2 Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Barcelona!! Posts: 1,459	JEEZUS CHRISTO!! watch it you freaks! it seems you'll be needing some armor.. and Don't Fall Off That Scafold ok? i took a fall off a 2meter one last month and my ribs are just recovering now.. WATCH YOUR ASS! other than that, it Looks Great!

23rd September 2007, 12:43 PM	#53
megl Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 165	Looks great!! What's going on top of the mineral wool? /megl

23rd September 2007, 06:38 PM	#54
Matthew Murray Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 1,401	Resilient channel, and then we're hanging sheetrock on that, and then building some custom basstraps/diffusion where necessary at what will hopefully be some clever angles. And yeah, those scaffoldings scare the shit out of me ... I won't even go up there. Jeff hangs off of them like Tarzan. The man has stones. Thanks for the kind words boys and girls. __________________ -Matthew

23rd September 2007, 09:49 PM	#55
morpheuzrecords Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Slovakia Posts: 465	more pics __________________ ------------------------------------------ David Kalosi www.morpheusmultimedia.sk www.myspace.com/morpheusmultimedia

24th September 2007, 05:09 PM	#56
Matthew Murray Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 1,401	Bloody 'ell. We're out of steam here. Anyone know any low-cost drywallers in Calgary? __________________ -Matthew

24th September 2007, 07:00 PM	#59
brendandwyer Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 68	see now i would have guessed you could have taken a case of labatts out on the street corner and rounded up 15 stout canadians and had that place sheathed in an hour :)

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