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24ch - 8Bus - Enough For Analog Mixdown ?

Hi ,
have to get an analog (decent) setup for mixing even out of the "box" ,

24 analog channels
may be enough for a "standard" analog mixdown ?

how many subgroups are (normally) required?

even better with a few aux send ?
any help is welcome .
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That depends - if you want each DAW-Channel routed to a physical Console channel, your session track size is limited to 24 tracks. You could on the other hand sum less important "hands-on" DAW tracks (like FX) to 2 mono channels on your console and work in sort of a hybrid setup. Cheers
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thanks for post and info too

do you suggest much than 24 tracks can be better ?

who mix out of the "Box" put also reverbs,delays,chorus,etc... in analog send-return ?

than more better if 4-6 aux sends are also supllyed ?

the subgroups are very important ?

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That depends - if you want each DAW-Channel routed to a physical Console channel, your session track size is limited to 24 tracks. You could on the other hand sum less important "hands-on" DAW tracks (like FX) to 2 mono channels on your console and work in sort of a hybrid setup. Cheers
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24 tracks is plenty as long as you are ok with 1 or 2 sub groups. You could use 8 tracks for drums, one for LV, one for bass, (10 tracks now) 2 more for all keys, 2 for BGV ( now 14 tracks) 4 more tracks for guitars. It all depends on your work flow and needs.
I've never needed more than 16 but 24 is great.
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If you could find a Mackie 8 bus, it would fix all your problems. 24 input channels and 24 return (mix B) channels plus 8 bus.

If you are on a budget, you might check out the Behringer MX9000, pretty much a direct copy of the Mackie and not a terrible desk for the dollars.

I found it very easy to mix down using the mixer since pushing a button makes each channel operate on the tape returns with full EQ, pan, insert, etc.
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thanks Mark
Behringer ?

i'll take a look about ,

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If you could find a Mackie 8 bus, it would fix all your problems. 24 input channels and 24 return (mix B) channels plus 8 bus.

If you are on a budget, you might check out the Behringer MX9000, pretty much a direct copy of the Mackie and not a terrible desk for the dollars.

I found it very easy to mix down using the mixer since pushing a button makes each channel operate on the tape returns with full EQ, pan, insert, etc.
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To answer your questions, it could be helpful to get some more insight in your complete setup, because the mixing console is just one piece of the whole picture. It provides EQ, faders and panning but there's still compression, fx like delays/reverbs/other fx and automation which is not convered by the console.

What are you using as a "tape machine"? A DAW? A hardware multitrack recorder?

Where do you want to apply compression? In the box before sending the audio out to the console?
Or do you have hardware compressors? If so, how many?

Do you have hardware delay/reverb units?

Do you have hardware sound modules? If so, how many?

What is a typical set of tracks for the music that you want to mix?
It's different if you're working with singer/songwriter (e.g. 2-4 tracks of vocals and acoustic) type of tracks or a typical rock band (see KRStudio's post) or an 80 dance/pop scenario.

The answers to these questions will help us giving more precise answers to your questions about fx-returns, count and use of busses and channel count.
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Thanks for post

as recorder a Pro tools tdm daw ,
an analog tape machine will be nice but out of budget (unfortunately..)

as compressors i made some test
and if the track have to be keeped clean , better a tdm plug in

no "hi-end" compressors in my room (unfortunately..)
anyway i checked some dbx and drawmer on few tracks
like drums , bass ,keys,...

and sometime they can be good , sometime not,
hearing with attention they are a "bottle neck"
(E-lab distressor included)
checked with output from 888-24 direct to distressor than to the input
of active monitors , no desk between .

about eqs i'm trying to equalize with some tdm eq
but very very no satisfaction ...

probabily the "poor" mackie eq sound (only a bit , but) better ...
... and alwyas a "bottle neck" ...
(checked also Behringer 9000 desk eq ... ,
"Brrrrrrrrrr... " )

of course neve , ssl , etc... desk and outboard are another planet
but "bank crack" too...

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To answer your questions, it could be helpful to get some more insight in your complete setup, because the mixing console is just one piece of the whole picture. It provides EQ, faders and panning but there's still compression, fx like delays/reverbs/other fx and automation which is not convered by the console.

What are you using as a "tape machine"? A DAW? A hardware multitrack recorder?

Where do you want to apply compression? In the box before sending the audio out to the console?
Or do you have hardware compressors? If so, how many?

Do you have hardware delay/reverb units?

Do you have hardware sound modules? If so, how many?

What is a typical set of tracks for the music that you want to mix?
It's different if you're working with singer/songwriter (e.g. 2-4 tracks of vocals and acoustic) type of tracks or a typical rock band (see KRStudio's post) or an 80 dance/pop scenario.

The answers to these questions will help us giving more precise answers to your questions about fx-returns, count and use of busses and channel count.
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What do you expect to gain from incorporating a mixing console into your setup?
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hi rif

I would try to remove a bit of " frosted glass "
from Daw ,

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What do you expect to gain from incorporating a mixing console into your setup?
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hi rif

I would try to remove a bit of " frosted glass "
from Daw ,

Ww
OK. I am not sure if a prosumer type of console (Mackie, Behringer) will add that "analog warmth" that you might be after.

I am a firm believer that most of the sound/tone is made and settled before the signal hits even hits your A/D converters. So I'd invest in mics and (colored/character) preamps first.
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..mics , preamps , A-D converters are like
the camera and the photo studio

daw is like photoshop and "related"

then analog summ is like the "printer" ?

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OK. I am not sure if a prosumer type of console (Mackie, Behringer) will add that "analog warmth" that you might be after.

I am a firm believer that most of the sound/tone is made and settled before the signal hits even hits your A/D converters. So I'd invest in mics and (colored/character) preamps first.
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..mics , preamps , A-D converters are like
the camera and the photo studio

daw is like photoshop and "related"

then analog summ is like the "printer" ?

peace
w
Good analogy!
And mind that a cheap xerox print of a good picture must not necessarily be better than viewing the picture on your screen only because it's paper :-).
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