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Old 16th May 2012   #1
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Help - I am completely ********.

Voice over loosing a lot of sleep. Anxiety! And please note. You don't need to answer ALL of the questions.

Can't get the right sound...

For arguments sake lets assume I need to record into my computer a nicely EQ sound with compression limiting, gate and expansion. I am not recording flat and have no desire to do so. ( Can we not argue about that

I want to achieve:

1. Lots and lots of level in the cans... so much that the mic wants to feedback quite easily.

2. A wide and beefy sound, albeit a little synthetic with plenty of EQ and an almost sausage like recording wav pattern.

3. The sound of my own saliva.

I already have this in a broadcast studio but I want to replicate most of the sound without using the same specification.

The broadcast studio is running

1/ LAWO Desk with parameteric EQ settings. ( Broadcast radio desk ) Including Expander, Limiter, EQ curves and so on.
2/ Mic 2 Channel Amps

And this is a radio studio - Granted I cannot afford a LAWO desk

I have been through 2 usb Mic Pre amps, An ICCICLE USB device and tried six mics including:

Rode Broadcaster
AT4040
Shure SM7
A Ribbon Mic
SE Electronics one

I have the following having been advised a Portico from the MIC STORE.

1. Portico 11 - Channel Strip
2. Mixer - PV6
3. Beringer Auto ( expander compressor )

USB into IMAC into Adobe Audition

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I would love your thoughts please on the following.



1 - If I purchase a headphone amplifier and plug that into my mixer headphone out, will it amplify the headphone volume? ( Each time I get the Portico 2 sounding nice the level is a bit low in my ears )

2 - Should I dump all my gear and stop being an idiot and simply get rid of Adobe Audition and record into Pro tools

2a - Which software can you record into, and monitor what is being recorded from the computer? Pro tools? Audacity? Audition does not allow you to record and monitor what is being recorded unless you have a dual sound card.

If you record into a peice of software, can you listen to the eq and thus monitor an EQ'd sound?

Surely if I can't get enough oopmh from the Portico would this be the best option?

3. If my mixer PV6 was a cheap £100 one, will this make a vast difference to what I am hearing? The man at the music shop wouldnt let me return it when I first thought it sounded cheap.

4. A man at the Studio Spares store said that the additional Berenger compressor unit could be used to expand the sound and also add some gate etc as the Portico does not have that. My concern is, if the Portico is not sounding how I want it to why should I keep it, I could get any eq unit and any pre amp, send that to a dedicated compressor and bingo.

I even took pictures of my settings... My initial plan was to purchase equipment that would allow the altering of these parameters.. and thus partially replicate a sort of sound. ??
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Old 17th May 2012   #2
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First off I would like to say I am not a newbie. I like to troll the newbie forum to try and help out a newbie like I was once if they really need it.

If you have a Rupert Neve Portico 2 channel strip . What you need to do is plug you mic into that then, sell your Auto comp so it doesnt infect the rest of your sound. LoL.
Behringer is not not within 20 planets of pro quality sound. SORRY.

Neve Portico2 strips are among the very best you can buy. Use that PLEASE.
The compressor is great. The EQ is GREAT the pre is NEVE so its GREAAAAT .
To set EQ for tracking. Fist do a pass with no EQ. Then insert the Portico2 as a hardware insert . Then EQ it . Now you have your EQ,d signal when you actually track.. comp it if you must but only to tame the peaks .

I am a HUGE ADVOCATE of EQing the sound before recording but I have recently learned this "COULD" cause problems. If you do it perfectly no problem. but you wouldnt be in the NEWBIE forum if you could EQ anything perfect.

DUDE seriously . Its just a voice over. record with no EQ then overdub all the tracks you need. Then bus them all to one track where the Portico 2 will be a hardware insert. Now you have the same result except the possibiliy of erasing frequencies you need.

I did things like you for years . AND I DO THINK THATS HOW IT SHOULD BE DONE. but maybe we dont have GOLDEN EARS just yet. try it please.
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A junk compressor is going to negate the benefits of the Portico.

So either get a better compressor or a worse preamp.
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A junk compressor is going to negate the benefits of the Portico.

So either get a better compressor or a worse preamp.
Ha.

Well oddly the junk compressor actually sounded better IN LINE with the Portico as the compression was far too subtle for this application.

I have decided that each item I use must be a seperate i.e. pre amp, graphic, mixer, compressor/expander etc.

Portico is good but relieved not to spend more than 2k on something I am not madly in love with or can operate easily.
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I like to troll the newbie forum to try and help out a newbie like I was once if they really need it.
Ha ha you nailed it. Notice how you were not even acknowledged for you quite informative reply.
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Ha ha you nailed it. Notice how you were not even acknowledged for you quite informative reply.
I forgot rudely to thank you very much for your informed and detailed reply, thank you again for your comments.

You were very much a champion of the Portico and I felt my disagreeing with you would disrespect the time and attention you spent on trying to help.

Thanks again - I have decided that the Portico is not for me as noted above.

Sorry that I did not acknowledge you, I did plan on referring to your comments if the string became more detailed.

As an addendum - I had been suffering several nights lose of sleep over the Portico as although it seems to be the holy grail brand, it doesn't seem to replicate the sound I am getting from my LAWO desk. Voices are all different and so are acoustics. It is not only a "voice over", it is how I earn my living and I have a very specific niche.

Many claim the Nuemann is the holy grail of mics - yet I can record on 4 Soho studios in one day and each Nuemann will sound completely different. So whilst the Portico is great for you. It does not mean it is for me, just as a Mercedes or BMW are both market leaders but are miles apart.

I don't dispute they are the market leader, nor that your post was correct. I don't dispute the amazing customer service and the fact they lent me one on trial and helped me on the phone. I am embarrassed and upset it didn't work for me as I so wanted it to. I hired an engineer today who spent the afternoon tweaking and for this "particular application" he agreed it didn't suit.

I felt that as a new poster to the forum until I had crafted a note back to you it would be disrespectful of me to disagree with your post. And as an experienced member Johnny expert perhaps sarcasm is a little harsh when new members are engaging in the forum. But again - Portico is an excellent EQ unit and and Excellent pre amp and I do appreciate your note.

I have found answers to my other questions and I will open a new thread. Feel free Johnny to look me up and appraise my conduct as you see fit.
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