What if this new M-Audio supports PT M-Powered? 18 digital I/O at 96kHz

[raal]

Originally Posted by richmondjames

but not if you use Logic Audio as your software....?

sorry to generalize... i'm a PT guy. the point i was trying to make is that digi for a long time has endowed their 'low end' products with crappy converters and almost no I/O options - this of course made many people skip digi's lower end altogether, lowering their chances of ever becoming a digi user. bad move by digi. maybe they're smartening up.

Originally Posted by warhead

So I just informed the rep about the DUC post...sorry for passing along the bad info I received.

huh? what bad info?

update: just got word it has an 18 I/O limit. still cool IMO.

[kmshroom]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

They will continue to support the 002 line, but no knew 002 or LE products will be produced.. That division is called M-Powered..

That is simply not true.

[jjdpro]

Originally Posted by kmshroom

That is simply not true.

Wanna Bet?????????????

[warhead]

Originally Posted by raal

huh? what bad info?

The bad info was me getting the word from our M-Audio rep that it will use all digital channels simultaneously in M-Powered 7 when it's not reality. I was apologizing for passing that info on...

War

[raal]

Originally Posted by warhead

The bad info was me getting the word from our M-Audio rep that it will use all digital channels simultaneously in M-Powered 7 when it's not reality. I was apologizing for passing that info on...

War

thank you sir.

[raal]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

Wanna Bet?????????????

don't like to bet but i'll wager a gentleman's bet that further versions of Mbox and 002 will be available. what they'll call them is anyone's guess.

[jjdpro]

Originally Posted by raal

don't like to bet but i'll wager a gentleman's bet that further versions of Mbox and 002 will be available. what they'll them is anyone's guess.

Okay, Raal you're on...I say :

-No more M-boxes and no more development...

-No more development for the 002...

[hgen]

18 in and out, that's amazing really! Just buy one of those crappy behringer digital mixers and use it like a summing unit and your laughing!

[Shaman]

or you are crying

[hgen]

or crying? Yes, a distinct possibility!

[~ufo~]

RATS ! ! ! ! !

back to finding a used HD rig........ DIGI





cartman says: "LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME"

[DrDeltaM]

Originally Posted by DrDeltaM

Cool, Digi gets my first thumbs up now:

They just lost it and got a " Digidesign " instead...

[~ufo~]

Originally Posted by DrDeltaM

They just lost it and got a " Digidesign " instead...

yup!

I'm not the digi fan I used to be. at all.
I like the software but not the business model.

Honestly, I could live with a "one interface limit" to the M/LE range..... I could.
as long as you can get 32 I/O from that one interface.

I'm curious whether the first new hardware offering from digi will draw me closer, or farther still from digidesign.......

let's hope for the best.

[tobeno]

So as far as price comparison, if M-powered will only have 18 i/o we're talking 500 for Lightbridge. and 2 Mackie Onyx 800r's 2000, plus M-powered PT for 250.
Bottom Line $2750 for 16 channel at 96k

Apposed to Digi 002r with Mackie Onyx.... $2200 for only 12 channel at 48k, add on the price of equivilent 4 preamps.

Small margin,this could be a nice deal.

[AdamJay]

street on the profire lightbridge should be $399 though.

[warhead]

Originally Posted by AdamJay

street on the profire lightbridge should be $399 though.

That is 100% correct, they've added it to the new price list and $399 it is.

War

[~ufo~]

so I was just checking out the HD alternative for the tracking system I'd like.....
that is, HD1 + two 192s loaded with 16 analogue I/O.

hey, wait a minute........ there seems to be only one 8 channel expansion slot....
nooooo.... it can't be, they didn't... I mean..... am I reading this correctly ? ? ?
can you not have a digidesign 192 with 16 analogue inputs AND 16 analogue outputs????

please tell me I'm reading this wrong.... oh please do.

[/ hijack]

[thebri]

That is correct on the I/O. So, with two 192s you could add an 8 In card on one and an 8 out card on the other for 24 channels of I/O.

A studio I use often has an RME FF800 hanging off of each 192,a nd that is how they get to 32 I/O. Each I/O unit can handle up to 16 I/O using combinations of Digital and Analog.

[~ufo~]

Originally Posted by ArtGarceau

This is going to turn into a moan zone thread about how much Digi sucks!

you betcha @ss it is, I can't believe they just rule out the most obvious I/O setup for a 16 I/O box..... I mean, not even "built to order"?? I mean, looks like they are just 8 channel modules anyway..... there's a 192 digital, why is there no 192 analogue ? ?

I must be missing something, but for them to not offer a good solution for people who want to use protools als a glorified multitracker in conjunction with an analogue console to me just comes across as plain arrogant. I know they want us to believe that you can do everything ITB that you can on an analogue console and then some, but the fact of the matter is that there are MANY MANY engineers in every segment of the business who prefer to work hybrid like that, regardless of how powerful ITB is.
It's just a preference!

they state that the 192I/o is "one of the most unique and flexible audio interfaces on the market"....... incredible.

so the only way for me to get a 32 analogue I/O on a HD1 system is by using two 192s with a third party 8 channel analogue to lightpipe converter......

If I want the uniformity of 32 channels of the same I/O conversion, which for practical reasons I happen to prefer, I'm forced to go HD2 w/ 3*192 ? ? ?

Funny, a box (lightbridge) by a Digidesign owned company has more functionality w/ competing DAW products than with Digi's own DAW.... if PT wasn't the world standard you'd be flabbergasted by the aforementioned... in fact, oh nevermind....

ok, I think I'm done w/ bitching, Imma enjoy the lovely evening and cook me a nice dinner..... sorry for the hijack but this business model of theirs is just ticking me off.
I may just be in the market for two rather hefty HD systems in a few months, but now I'm not so sure anymore.

[raal]

Originally Posted by ~ufo~

so the only way for me to get a 32 analogue I/O on a HD1 system is by using two 192s with a third party 8 channel analogue to lightpipe converter......

or 1 X 192 with an extra input or output card and apogee 16X combo for example; or all apogee 16X units and skip the 192 altogether. alot of people do that. HD cards allow the apogees to be used without any 192s (i think prism also works seamlessly with PT).

have to fudge with manually setting for ADC if you're going to use analog inserts this way, but to many it's well worth the hassle.

[octatonic]

Originally Posted by ~ufo~

so the only way for me to get a 32 analogue I/O on a HD1 system is by using two 192s with a third party 8 channel analogue to lightpipe converter......

If I want the uniformity of 32 channels of the same I/O conversion, which for practical reasons I happen to prefer, I'm forced to go HD2 w/ 3*192 ? ? ?

Uniformity isn't such a big deal to me- but HD1 is.
HD1 is verging on crippleware- especially if you want to use Logic as your sequencer.

I use a 96IO with an 8 channel converter on the adat input and have just strapped an 888/24 to the legacy port and room to put another one there.
There are options- but if you insist on uniformity then you are essentially correct.

[~ufo~]

well it's for my tracking room so DSP isn't really all that important to me.
I'm sure HD1 will allow me to run a verb and a few comps and EQs whilst tracking, if need be.

actually, I read that the lynx convertors can be hooked str8 to HD too, so there are still options for me....... still, bad bad digi !

[CustomDigi]

Originally Posted by ~ufo~

>snip<

Funny, a box (lightbridge) by a Digidesign owned company has more functionality w/ competing DAW products than with Digi's own DAW.... if PT wasn't the world standard you'd be flabbergasted by the aforementioned... in fact, oh nevermind....

That really is pretty ridiculous...but ya know, their Project Mix IO is actually more functional with other DAWS, too. a) You can only use 8 of the 9 faders (master disabled) with PT M-Powered. Cubase and Live utilize the master fader.
b) SPDIF sync is SCREWED with the latest drivers of the pmix I/O, but only with M Powered....works fine with Cubase and Live. c) The overall functionality of the worksurface, etc, is just BETTER with the other DAWs than with M Powered.

Nothing surprises me anymore from Digi.

-Matt

[lozion]

Sooo, anybody with an update on this? Its due for September.

Cheers,

[warhead]

I promise you I will update this thread when they're shipping.

War

[billy]

I'll bet there will be some arbitrary weirdness with the light bridge and PTMP, like external clock input disabled at 96k, or no monitor mixing for channels 9-18, etc. No way would they make something that could actually do what you need it to for that price...no matter what it seems like in the ad.

[AlexLakis]

Wow.

This is the answer to my prayers.

I don't suppose we could use this and a DIGI 002 simultaneously just as a control surface?

[Coyoteous]

Don't you think Digi really tried hard to get the MB2pro out before this thing - what is it? Fire Bucket Pro? (just kidding) - possibly why the MB2pro high rate exernal sync doesn't work.

Back on this topic, I do think the PFLB plus one to four DigiMax FS's will pack a lot of wallup per dollar - $87.50 to $125 per AD/DA channel with pre's. It could be great for low/middle end basic tracking and OTB summing/mixing.

I want one to replace my 1814, which I fully expected to have 18 inputs and 14 outputs - it's really 16 or 10 in and 12 or 6 out at 44.1/48, 12 or 10 in and 8 or 6 out at 88.2/96, and 2 in and 4 out at 176.4/192 (analog only). I still can't quite grok their mixer control panel. I was trying to find out about the internal routing and summing from their tech support, and when I asked about DSP and bit depth the guy said: "it doesn't need any, it's all right there in the box." Anyway, the 1814 is basically a digial interface and dongle for my portable PTMP rig - which I mainly use with a RME ADI-2 or to do 8/4 at a time lightpipe transfers. The "Fire Bucket" should be an improvement.