NI Kore , new Soft Synth System

H-Rezz · 11th May 2006, 11:13 AM

What do you guy's think of this by NI ? Looks interesting .

http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=kore_us

andrewj · 12th May 2006, 11:00 AM

Sorry, but I am not at the same position!

This unit is just to control your PlugIns. It is something like a software based software controller, with a hardware unit!

Other words: NI had no idea for a new product, so they built something noone needs at all!

Maybe it is interesting for live performance, but I can control my pluggies without the help of kore!

If these guys wanna do something good, they should improve their Epianos!!!

shangoe · 12th May 2006, 11:31 AM

i would be happier if they focus their power on deleting hundred of bugs in their existing software, like kontakt. i am sick of new features and updates, i just want something that works flawlessly..

tommymakestapes · 12th May 2006, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shangoe

i would be happier if they focus their power on deleting hundred of bugs in their existing software, like kontakt. i am sick of new features and updates, i just want something that works flawlessly..

But that would be logical...

t_d · 12th May 2006, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommymakestapes

But that would be logical...

no, it would be Logikal.

;)

but, yeah, Kore looks pretty Bore.. the idea is nice.. but, frankly, i have no problems now hosting my soft synths... the search/keyword feature is potentially useful.. but it's only useful if you spend the time to categorize and keyword all of your patches.. which, considering i don't do it in iPhoto for my pictures, probably wouldn't do it for my sounds, either.

and the controller..? i'd hell rather have the new Novation Zero SL or any number of control surfaces with more knobs and sliders than Kore has...

not that i don't like NI.. i'm an avid Reaktor and Absynth user, fantastic programs.

Slogun · 12th May 2006, 10:21 PM

I think I've found a usefull feature on the Kore that at least I'm interested to check out. For you who has worked with Reason v3 will know what I'm talking about. One of the new features on Reason was the combinator; 'a rack in a rack' they called it. This feature, as I understand it, is one of the reasons of Kore as well. They've arranged for some multi setups for you utilizing a bunch of VSTi's at the same time. Nothing that couldn't be accomplished before, but Kore seems to make it a lot easier?!

Slogun · 12th May 2006, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by t_d

the search/keyword feature is potentially useful.. but it's only useful if you spend the time to categorize and keyword all of your patches.. which, considering i don't do it in iPhoto for my pictures, probably wouldn't do it for my sounds, either.

NI will actually do this job for you. I was told by the NI guys that they're actually working on doing the exact same categorizing with Arturia plug-ins that they've done with their own plugs. And other manufacturers will follow.

Though it still remains to be proved by NI.

And yeah, I wish they could release bug free plugs as well. Think it took me 3 months before I could actually run Absynth on my computer after I bought it.

t_d · 13th May 2006, 01:25 AM

and i will add to my post saying that actually, i do think Kore is good for a live performance situation..

one that perhaps involves all live playing.. as in a keyboardist in a rock band.... with the ability to run Kore as a standalone host (probably more stable that running a DAW live)... with access to piles of synths and layers...

not for me, but i could see it being tremendously useful to some.

H-Rezz · 13th May 2006, 05:03 AM

I think where the NI Kore might be most useful is in standalone operation , the more we rely on one computer to do everything the more useful it might be to buy a second one to just run SoftSynths , the only draw back i have found with doing this with simliar products from Steinberg is that you lose your internal timming and have to rely on midi for the sync , blahh.

The Kore will definately be useful for live situations only if it is rock solid , and a few of you have suggested that NI products are buggy .

AnalogBob · 14th May 2006, 05:44 AM

Heard its buggy...

dione · 14th May 2006, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shangoe

i would be happier if they focus their power on deleting hundred of bugs in their existing software, like kontakt. i am sick of new features and updates, i just want something that works flawlessly..

agreed

wolfhound · 15th May 2006, 03:59 PM

Some people will probably like it for the role as a wrapper to use VST and AU plugs in ProTools, whether it's worth the cost I don't know....

TinderArts · 17th May 2006, 05:10 PM

Brainspawn's Forte works great for live performance and it a heck of a better deal.

feyshay · 17th May 2006, 06:11 PM

When I've needed to have some kind of a plug-in chainer, I've gone with Energy XT. Pretty cheap. I used to use it in Live 5, although I have not yet tried it in Cubase SX3.
I don't see that much of a role with Kore, unless I'm not getting the big picture. If you're going to go with something live, you need to not worry about bugs.
Also, I have some doubts about the durability of the controller (that is if it is the same constructor as Rig Kontrol in Guitar Rig 2).
I also would consider going for such a venture, but the best buy comes if you already own Komplete. I bought Reaktor 5, Kontakt 2, Absynth 3 and GR 2 piecemeal. There seems no way to use those purchases to get a discount on Komplete.

Billster · 17th May 2006, 07:09 PM

Kore might be quite usable for sound design purposes, but I´d wait a rather long period of time (maybe a year ?) before jumping on the train. IMO NI has lots of innovative ideas, but they release products that are not well thought out and, even worse, have ridiculous amounts of bugs.

Bill

C_F_H_13 · 18th May 2006, 07:27 AM

Just picked one up. Thus far...very happy with what I paid for it. Controller for my synths,but more importantly, I can now run my Neuron,Korg,Bass Station, and other VST synths in protools. The new sound search engine is worth the price admission. Simply click for example.... "Bass", "analog" "fat"...and all sounds similar to those pop up across all your synths (that are setup for kore). With new user settings poping up every day, it's a very cool tool.

The next new thing...no....cool piece of gear...yes.

Dopamine · 18th May 2006, 07:57 AM

<< I can now run my Neuron,Korg,Bass Station, and other VST synths in protools. >>

I know the FXpansion wrapper allows use of VSTi's w/in PT, but how does this relate to Kore?

mixerguy · 18th May 2006, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shangoe

i would be happier if they focus their power on deleting hundred of bugs in their existing software, like kontakt. i am sick of new features and updates, i just want something that works flawlessly..

yah.

it all just seems to me like yest one more thing to make machines crash.

jayman · 27th May 2006, 10:41 PM

Any users by now? NI sent me an email saying they sold out of the first batch right away. Certainly there must be some users who can report?

j

rapfreak · 28th May 2006, 06:58 PM

audiomidi.com apparently has 25% off all ni products this weekend, INCLUDING the kore which makes it $375.

synthdogg · 29th May 2006, 04:44 AM

Well, I got mine earlier this week, along with Komplete 3. It took 4 days just to register the damn thing (Kore, that is. Lomplete was no problem.)

It's still buggy for me. Lot's of pops and dropouts....and it crashes quite a bit. It's still not compatible with some synths (Spectrasonics) so I would list Kore under "Not yet ready for prime time." Too bad, too.......if they ever get it solid, it's a GREAT idea, much deeper than similar software interfaces out there. I could definitely see foregoing a lot of hardware synths on stage if I ever got to a point where I could really trust this thing. Alas...that time is not yet here.

Billster · 29th May 2006, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C_F_H_13

Just picked one up. Thus far...very happy with what I paid for it. Controller for my synths,but more importantly, I can now run my Neuron,Korg,Bass Station, and other VST synths in protools. The new sound search engine is worth the price admission. Simply click for example.... "Bass", "analog" "fat"...and all sounds similar to those pop up across all your synths (that are setup for kore). With new user settings poping up every day, it's a very cool tool.

The next new thing...no....cool piece of gear...yes.

Are you mac or pc user ? The NI stuff usually works much better on pcs from my experience.

Good to hear that you like it

I´ll have to wait to jump on the train until it works flawlessly though.

Regards,
Bill

char1iecat · 29th May 2006, 07:38 PM

I stopped buying/updating NI stuff after I got Absynth 3 (I also have Kontakt 1.5 and B4 #1). They're stuff is just toooooo buggy for me. I get more frustration than inspiration from their products. In theory, their stuff is great. In practice, hmm...

All that said, I've grown weary of softsynths and plugs, in general. I've been putting my $$ into hardware and have had greater satisfaction. What NI's trying to do with KORE is intriguing. But, looks like some more snake oil, in the end.

demonfuzz · 30th May 2006, 12:34 AM

I actually just started using Kontakt & so far really like it.
I'm looking for a knob controller, something to control all effect parameters (i.e. filters, delays, etc..).

What is good for this?
Is that what KORE is for?

Otherwise I was considering a Kenton Kontrol Freak or Gmedia Phatboy.

Kontakt itself is pretty cool though man.

Phil Buckle · 30th May 2006, 01:04 AM

People are returning Kore already.
Check out the NI user Forum.

Another disaster they will do nothing about.

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andrewj Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Hamburg (Wellingsbuettel), G-Many Posts: 1,051	Sorry, but I am not at the same position! This unit is just to control your PlugIns. It is something like a software based software controller, with a hardware unit! Other words: NI had no idea for a new product, so they built something noone needs at all! Maybe it is interesting for live performance, but I can control my pluggies without the help of kore! If these guys wanna do something good, they should improve their Epianos!!! __________________ Interface: MIO 2882 PreAmps: Averill 1272, Fletcher P10 Compressor: Smart C2M, EL Fatso Summing Mixer: Sumo Monitors: Klein & Hummel O300 Microphone: Audix D6, Audix i-5, Audix OM-2s, CAD E-350, Beyerdynamic M160, Beyerdynamic MC930, Peluso 22 47 Outboard FX: Lexicon PCM 81, PCM 91, Ensoniq DP4+ DAW: Intel Mac, MOTU DP 5, Apple Logic 8, Cubase 4.1, Ableton Live 7, Celemony Melodyne 3, URS & Waves Plugins

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Slogun Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sweden, Malmö Posts: 342	I think I've found a usefull feature on the Kore that at least I'm interested to check out. For you who has worked with Reason v3 will know what I'm talking about. One of the new features on Reason was the combinator; 'a rack in a rack' they called it. This feature, as I understand it, is one of the reasons of Kore as well. They've arranged for some multi setups for you utilizing a bunch of VSTi's at the same time. Nothing that couldn't be accomplished before, but Kore seems to make it a lot easier?! __________________ http://www.servantstudio.com http://www.myspace.com/servantstudio

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17th May 2006, 07:09 PM	#15
Billster Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Hamburg / Old Europe Posts: 441	Kore might be quite usable for sound design purposes, but I´d wait a rather long period of time (maybe a year ?) before jumping on the train. IMO NI has lots of innovative ideas, but they release products that are not well thought out and, even worse, have ridiculous amounts of bugs. Bill __________________ www.forcesense.com www.fs-mastering.com

11th May 2006, 11:13 AM	#1
H-Rezz Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,380	NI Kore , new Soft Synth System What do you guy's think of this by NI ? Looks interesting . http://www.native-instruments.com/index.php?id=kore_us

12th May 2006, 11:31 AM	#3
shangoe Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: berlin Posts: 467	i would be happier if they focus their power on deleting hundred of bugs in their existing software, like kontakt. i am sick of new features and updates, i just want something that works flawlessly..

13th May 2006, 01:25 AM	#8
t_d Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: pound ridge, NY Posts: 543	and i will add to my post saying that actually, i do think Kore is good for a live performance situation.. one that perhaps involves all live playing.. as in a keyboardist in a rock band.... with the ability to run Kore as a standalone host (probably more stable that running a DAW live)... with access to piles of synths and layers... not for me, but i could see it being tremendously useful to some.

13th May 2006, 05:03 AM	#9
H-Rezz Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,380	I think where the NI Kore might be most useful is in standalone operation , the more we rely on one computer to do everything the more useful it might be to buy a second one to just run SoftSynths , the only draw back i have found with doing this with simliar products from Steinberg is that you lose your internal timming and have to rely on midi for the sync , blahh. The Kore will definately be useful for live situations only if it is rock solid , and a few of you have suggested that NI products are buggy .

14th May 2006, 05:44 AM	#10
AnalogBob Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 483	Heard its buggy...

15th May 2006, 03:59 PM	#12
wolfhound Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: nyc Posts: 219	Some people will probably like it for the role as a wrapper to use VST and AU plugs in ProTools, whether it's worth the cost I don't know....

17th May 2006, 06:11 PM	#14
feyshay Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,271	When I've needed to have some kind of a plug-in chainer, I've gone with Energy XT. Pretty cheap. I used to use it in Live 5, although I have not yet tried it in Cubase SX3. I don't see that much of a role with Kore, unless I'm not getting the big picture. If you're going to go with something live, you need to not worry about bugs. Also, I have some doubts about the durability of the controller (that is if it is the same constructor as Rig Kontrol in Guitar Rig 2). I also would consider going for such a venture, but the best buy comes if you already own Komplete. I bought Reaktor 5, Kontakt 2, Absynth 3 and GR 2 piecemeal. There seems no way to use those purchases to get a discount on Komplete.

18th May 2006, 07:27 AM	#16
C_F_H_13 Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 771	Just picked one up. Thus far...very happy with what I paid for it. Controller for my synths,but more importantly, I can now run my Neuron,Korg,Bass Station, and other VST synths in protools. The new sound search engine is worth the price admission. Simply click for example.... "Bass", "analog" "fat"...and all sounds similar to those pop up across all your synths (that are setup for kore). With new user settings poping up every day, it's a very cool tool. The next new thing...no....cool piece of gear...yes.

18th May 2006, 07:57 AM	#17
Dopamine Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Miami Beach Posts: 1,537	<< I can now run my Neuron,Korg,Bass Station, and other VST synths in protools. >> I know the FXpansion wrapper allows use of VSTi's w/in PT, but how does this relate to Kore?

27th May 2006, 10:41 PM	#19
jayman Gear addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 393	Any users by now? NI sent me an email saying they sold out of the first batch right away. Certainly there must be some users who can report? j

28th May 2006, 06:58 PM	#20
rapfreak Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,036	audiomidi.com apparently has 25% off all ni products this weekend, INCLUDING the kore which makes it $375.

29th May 2006, 04:44 AM	#21
synthdogg Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 130	Well, I got mine earlier this week, along with Komplete 3. It took 4 days just to register the damn thing (Kore, that is. Lomplete was no problem.) It's still buggy for me. Lot's of pops and dropouts....and it crashes quite a bit. It's still not compatible with some synths (Spectrasonics) so I would list Kore under "Not yet ready for prime time." Too bad, too.......if they ever get it solid, it's a GREAT idea, much deeper than similar software interfaces out there. I could definitely see foregoing a lot of hardware synths on stage if I ever got to a point where I could really trust this thing. Alas...that time is not yet here.

29th May 2006, 07:38 PM	#23
char1iecat Gear Head Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: LA Posts: 63	I stopped buying/updating NI stuff after I got Absynth 3 (I also have Kontakt 1.5 and B4 #1). They're stuff is just toooooo buggy for me. I get more frustration than inspiration from their products. In theory, their stuff is great. In practice, hmm... All that said, I've grown weary of softsynths and plugs, in general. I've been putting my $$ into hardware and have had greater satisfaction. What NI's trying to do with KORE is intriguing. But, looks like some more snake oil, in the end.

30th May 2006, 12:34 AM	#24
demonfuzz Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 282	I actually just started using Kontakt & so far really like it. I'm looking for a knob controller, something to control all effect parameters (i.e. filters, delays, etc..). What is good for this? Is that what KORE is for? Otherwise I was considering a Kenton Kontrol Freak or Gmedia Phatboy. Kontakt itself is pretty cool though man.

30th May 2006, 01:04 AM	#25
Phil Buckle Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 162	People are returning Kore already. Check out the NI user Forum. Another disaster they will do nothing about. __________________ _______________________________ http://philbuckle.com/

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