![]() | All Advertisers |
| |||||||
Similar Threads | ||||
| Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
| Black Lion Audio 002 mod | Stoneroses6300 | So much gear, so little time! | 35 | 9th May 2007 05:58 AM |
| 002 black lion audio mod clarification | Stoneroses6300 | So much gear, so little time! | 1 | 1st August 2006 06:39 PM |
| Black Lion MOD: Digi 002 Rack or MOTU 896? | tunekicker | So much gear, so little time! | 2 | 22nd June 2006 06:30 AM |
![]() |
| | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | Rating: | Display Modes |
| | #211 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Annapolis, MD/L.A.
Posts: 3,612
| |
| | |
| | #212 | |
| Gear addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto
Posts: 308
| Quote:
I've read the site - just looking for some more customer experiences... Cheers A | |
| | |
| | #213 |
| Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: LA
Posts: 108
| Hey all, Just wanted to chime in here. I had the mod done last summer. It is SO WAY worth it. To be specific about a few things others asked about as I scanned: The sound of my whole studio was DRAMATICALLY better. You WILL notice a difference when you get the 002 back, even just playing a CD through it. Stereo imaging, and range and depth are noticeably improved. I wish I had been able to do A/B tests with an unmodded unit because I'd have definitely put files up. Regarding the mic pre's: Generally I use outboard, but I would have NEVER used the unmodded 002 pre's unless it was an emergency. Now, I certainly would. The upgrade has made these pre's fat and warm when compared to the original, and I wouldn't be afraid to do sessions on them. I am a woodwind player, and do a lot of work out of my home studio for other production houses. I can honestly say that the people I do jingles, films etc., for have been making a lot of positive comments about how great my tracks sound lately. I do use very high quality outboard gear,... but I think a significant part of it is the improvement in my 002r. Another writer/producer who has an original 002r always makes note of how great HIS tracks sound when we open them on my system.... It's the best upgrade I've ever done for the $. (I would certainly call it a "no-brainer") |
| | |
| | #214 |
| Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 157
| I wanted to chime in with a general warning: whenever you have a piece of gear modified, especially something so central to your studio, make sure you have some sort of backup in place. I know a lot of people have been really happy with their mods from BLA. And I certainly agree with everyone's comments about how great it sounds now. That's all very true. But somehow, after that thing was modified, I can only open sessions on it for about 30 minutes to an hour before everything goes to hell. I'm guessing it's the clock because the problems are an exponentially increasing number of pops and clicks (once they start around 30-60 minutes in). Once that occurs I'm done for the day. It shut down my workflow for months while I tried to suss out the problem. I'd think I had it fixed, but then the next day, it's back. Ultimately, I had to send it back to BLA (twice) for them to try to fix it and drop some mad cash on a replacement system (Note: They do have a lifetime warranty on their work, which is awesome). It sucked, but while I was at it, I went ahead and upgraded. See my sig for what I'm running. I'm not saying this to bash BLA. Not at all, I've heard they've done great work and the vast majority of people haven't had an issue. Just make sure you have a backup system in place (or at least know someone with a 002 that you can borrow) before you take the plunge. Good luck fellas.
__________________ Kev Humble Gear: Apogee Ensemble, M-Audio Profire Lightbridge, PT MP 7.3.1cs1 on a Macbook Pro (2GHz Core Duo w/ 2GB RAM), pair Fostex PM1 monitors w/ PM0.5 Sub MKII |
| | |
| | #215 |
| Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 12
| hey super kev!! i have the exact same problem!!! but i'm using a PC . how did you fix it? i sent it back to BLA< and when it was returned the problem still existed.. they said it was a dirty connector, and that there was nothing wrong, but first day i got it back.. i lit it up and there were problems. |
| | |
| | #216 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south fla
Posts: 1,007
| i need to hear more on this. i would like to get the mod, but not if this is going to happen... |
| | |
| | #217 |
| Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Lancaster, Pa
Posts: 440
| I got it done and no problems so far, sounds great.
__________________ WWW.MYSPACE.COM/PARISRECORDINGSTUDIO1 |
| | |
| | #218 | |
| Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 157
| Quote:
I'll be testing it later today to check for the same problems I'd had before. Report back soon...
__________________ Kev Humble Gear: Apogee Ensemble, M-Audio Profire Lightbridge, PT MP 7.3.1cs1 on a Macbook Pro (2GHz Core Duo w/ 2GB RAM), pair Fostex PM1 monitors w/ PM0.5 Sub MKII | |
| | |
| | #219 |
| Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 12
| well, Jim J. over at BLA told me he thinks its software related, and that i should reinstall windows |
| | |
| | #220 |
| Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hollywood, USA
Posts: 32
| digi00X - Mod and/or External Clock? Hypothetically, which would be the "better" option: a) A Black Lion Audio modded digi00X (assuming a digi003 mod is coming) using internal clocking and on-board A/D/A b) A BAD modded digi00X, on-board A/D/A with a BIG BEN for external clock via s/pdif (002/003) or WC (003) * some posts attributed to BAD say there is no point but other posts -like from Fletcher (http://mercenary.com/lyau8co.html) seems to suggest that no matter how good the converter, BIG BEN improves the quality * c) A standard digi00X with clocking + A/D/A via lightpipe (Rosetta 800? Others?) taking in to account that Bob Katz and countless others warn of the problems with Lightpipe (for example a very high amount of jitter - I have to imagine sending clock AND 16 channels of audio I/O has got to make this even worse... perhaps it would be better to clock a digi003 via WC and use lightpipe for A/D/A? Jitter might still suck though) I'm worried that I'd improve the clock only to re-introduce jitter in to the system. Thanks for your help http://www.gearslutz.com/board/images/smilies/thumb.gif |
| | |
| | #221 |
| Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 250
| Stick with the BLA mod (on a cheap 002) and spend the extra dough on speakers and getting your room acoustics in order. |
| | |
| | #222 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Annapolis, MD/L.A.
Posts: 3,612
| I've got a BLA-modded 002 and a Rosetta 800. If somebody wants to bring their 003 over, we can do some tests! I should be done construction of my new control room in less than a month, so that would be cool. (Maybe by that time somebody will have posted an actual review of the 003...) |
| | |
| | #223 | |
| Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 116
| Quote:
| |
| | |
| | #224 | |
| Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kent, England
Posts: 339
| Quote:
Jim at BLA has been really friendly trying to help solve the problem but this week he told me, "The bad news is that doens't sound like something that falls under the modification. We don't touch anything that would make the adat ability not work." All I could say in reply to him was everything was working just right before I sent it over to them! I hate to complain about such a friendly/small company but I'm stuck without the extra channels. | |
| | |
| | #225 |
| Gear interested Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 2
| Yeh man that would totally suck, that is such an important feature of th 002. I'm in two minds about this thing - I live in New Zealand and to get the digi over to chicago fast shipping method is like $350NZ, about half the cost of the mod to get done. I know this because I had to send my digi back to sweetwater (where I got it from) when I turned it on one day and it just kept hangin on the "Loading...". Is it worth the whole price of the mod again just on (return) shipping? Im going with yes from what I have heard and learnt in the last couple of days on this thread! pete |
| | |
| | #226 | |
| Lives for gear | Quote:
| |
| | |
| | #227 | |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 565
| Quote:
bill | |
| | |
| | #228 |
| Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kent, England
Posts: 339
| I have to say I'm surprised by some of the negativity from BLA customers who've had issues with their units after the mod. I'm 100% certain that the adat was working before it was sent off, I used it everyday...now I'm forced to borrow or get on without the extra channels. I'll certainly take further action, though I feel I'm at a disadvantage being in the UK. With all due respect, I feel sorta let down by Gearslutz - everyone was so happy with their mods!! In all honesty, I was more then happy with the difference it made and the seemingly great service from Black Lion Audio UNTIL I confirmed the adat problem was most likely down to them. Now is the time to warn people I suppose, save them the hassle. |
| | |
| | #229 |
| Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston
Posts: 170
| I can't say that I've used the ADATs but have not had any other problems. I know the guys from BLA hang out on the forum, so perhaps they can comment further. They should have a right to defend themselves. Would hate to see them lose business without at least getting a chance to respond. If there are a lot of issues, then perhaps they can shed some light on it. But I've heard mostly good things in the past, and I'm pretty happy with mine. Steve |
| | |
| | #230 |
| Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kent, England
Posts: 339
| I fully agree. My point was to highlight the risks in getting a unit modded by them, it seems in my case (thus far) I'm offered no guarentee whatsoever. If this was a larger company in question then we'd be baying for their blood on here! Bottom line - BLA should be more responsible at the least. |
| | |
| | #231 | |
| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 556
| Quote:
| |
| | |
| | #232 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: VA.
Posts: 1,967
| I'm bummed This sucks, I fully intended on getting the mod for my 002 but not now. I have a full schedule and I'm not getting jammed up by some bench jockey monkey boy from square pizzaville. If BL can come forth here and make a statement regarding these issues and explain why they happened I might re-consider. No mod in the world is worth that kind of bulldoody. Bdiggy |
| | |
| | #233 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boston Area
Posts: 568
| I was really looking at getting the 002 mod but after reading all the threads about them over the last year or so I will not be giving them my business. |
| | |
| | #234 | |
| Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: chicago
Posts: 53
| Quote:
We do our best to make sure that issues like this are avoided, or taken care of when they arise. What's especially frustrating about this particular situation is that, as you well know, we're actually in the middle of trying to resolve it for you. At this point, we have no way of knowing this is caused by shipping damage or other issues, but we have every intention of solving the problem for you. Some of the issues that arise with modified 002's are actually related to Digidesign's own design and software issues. We do our best to resolve these as they come up, but everyone must know that we get NO support whatsoever from Digidesign in this area. Matt Newport Black Lion Audio | |
| | |
| | #235 |
| Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kent, England
Posts: 339
| Hi Matt, as you can see I haven't been vindictive with my posts, it wasn't my intention. When you told me that the mod has nothing to do with the adat functionality and signed off on the last email with "We don't touch anything that would make the adat ability not work" it didn't imply to me that you were in the middle of resolving the issue. If I've made false presumptions I apologise. Hopefully I'll get back to you Gearslutz with a happy ending? |
| | |
| | #236 |
| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Annapolis, MD/L.A.
Posts: 3,612
| I sent in a piece of gear for a mod once (not BLA,) and one of the ADAT ports came back dodgy, which I had to fix on my own dollar. As it turns out, the ADAT port was damaged during shipping by UPS. Why? Because the protective plastic plug was in there. Something hit up against the box, and whacked the protective plug sticking out of the port, which knocked the ADAT port itself off of the board. Just a word of warning for anybody shipping stuff with ADAT ports: Keep those protective pieces outta there for shipping, it can damage the port if something knocks against it! china jam, have you gotten the 002 looked at by a local repair shop? This kinda thing shouldn't cost you more than $50 or so...certainly worth that to avoid more downtime! |
| | |
| | #237 | |
| Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: chicago
Posts: 53
| Quote:
Matt Newport Black Lion Audio | |
| | |
| | #238 |
| Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Kent, England
Posts: 339
| Thanks Matt. Sending the 002 back to you really isn't an option right now. I'm unaware of a local place that repairs (pro) audio gear, there's certainly none famous for it's expertise in adat circuitry! AlexLakis, my 002 didn't come with those plastic plugs..it's possibly a later revision that has soft cat flap kinda covers. |
| | |
| | #239 | |
| Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: chicago
Posts: 53
| Quote:
Matt Black Lion Audio | |
| | |
| | #240 |
| Gear interested Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 1
| Hello All-just joined and thought I'd throw my 2 cents in.. About 6 months ago I happened upon this thread and bookmarked it because I was thinking about having BLA do the mod (and I did because of the glowing reviews earlier in this page) Anyway, I've had my DIGI back for about a month and after doing a couple of projects the results have been stellar-I even opened a mix I had just done before shipping it off and simply bounced down |