Pro Tools 48 tracks with Digidesign Music Production Toolkit - Page 2

nukmusic · 27th January 2006, 11:53 PM

Protools has come a long way with the LE version. The question is how long will the HD systems rule?? With the current and future speeds of native systems(and the competition), how long will they keep a limt on the LE interfaces.

Brandino221 · 28th January 2006, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by nukmusic

Protools has come a long way with the LE version. The question is how long will the HD systems rule?? With the current and future speeds of native systems(and the competition), how long will they keep a limt on the LE interfaces.

I think it will be a while. I don't think cards will go away for a while. Sure the speeds are getting faster but the advantage of card in a computer are even faster. I don't know if the whole hooking up 5 computers to get more power (like in Logic) make a trend or not. It's alot more electricity to run, takes much more space and alot more heat.
Also computers change soooo fast and cards stick around alot longer + hold more value. Just my thoughts.

tommymakestapes · 28th January 2006, 04:43 PM

id be cool if m-powered could support a couple m audio delta 10/10's

nathanvacha · 28th January 2006, 07:36 PM

So you can use multiple 1010's at a time, but pt. mpowered won't support it? not that i was really asking anyone, but i've never heard that before. Man, you'd think digi would just cater more to what different people want...

giles117 · 31st January 2006, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by T_R_S

Dude your on crack - that's a GREAT DEAL!!!
That's 96 Voices compared to 32 Voices. Plus multitrack Beat Dectective , 5 More plug-ins Upgrade to 7.1
That's a good deal to me Waves wants 700 bucks for my WUP
Digidesign has always given out good deals for upgrades.
The plug-ins are worth more than 500.00

Whos on Crack??? Since when did 48 =96????

The state of public education. LOL But anyway I digress.....

the 16 additional tracks should be free I dont want your damn plugins....

I Mix in Dp anyway. LOL I suffer with pro tools cuz hip hop heads use it all the time.

True North · 31st January 2006, 06:45 PM

More tracks is certainly helpful, 48 tracks would suit me fine. I record mainly acoustic music so I would run out of CPU power long before I needed more acoustic tracks. Beat Detective on mulitple channels is also great, BUT.......................................... ........

They have not addressed the whole track time alignment that comes standard with PT-HD, Nuendo and Cubase. This is such a huge pain in the a$$ with PT-LE and I can't for the life of me understand why they won't address that issue since they already have a solution in HD. It makes using hardware in LE an absolute drudgery.

If they could add that feature into the mix, I would be sold and then some. $500 is not a bad price either IMO.

giles117 · 31st January 2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by True North

More tracks is certainly helpful, 48 tracks would suit me fine. I record mainly acoustic music so I would run out of CPU power long before I needed more acoustic tracks. Beat Detective on mulitple channels is also great, BUT.......................................... ........

They have not addressed the whole track time alignment that comes standard with PT-HD, Nuendo and Cubase. This is such a huge pain in the a$$ with PT-LE and I can't for the life of me understand why they won't address that issue since they already have a solution in HD. It makes using hardware in LE an absolute drudgery.

If they could add that feature into the mix, I would be sold and then some. $500 is not a bad price either IMO.

The typical force you to move to HD......

And I am forced to move to HD.......The whole lack of support after V 6.4 bites else I'd grab a used Mix Plus system and be happy. But typical Digi... They havnt changed in years......

Cosmonauta · 31st January 2006, 07:14 PM

This Digi press-release is really not clear enough.
So let's say... I can have a session with (e.g:) 30 mono tracks ans 18 stereo tracks?

mono track = 1 voice
stereo track = 1 voice

is that right?

giles117 · 31st January 2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cosmonauta

This Digi press-release is really not clear enough.
So let's say... I can have a session with (e.g:) 30 mono tracks ans 18 stereo tracks?

mono track = 1 voice
stereo track = 1 voice

is that right?

Yes you are correct.

kats · 31st January 2006, 10:31 PM

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The typical force you to move to HD......

Most people aren't being forced to HD, they're just going Nuendo/Cubase.

giles117 · 31st January 2006, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kats

Most people aren't being forced to HD, they're just going Nuendo/Cubase.

Which for my small commercial facility would put me out of the reins of working with those who prefer pro tools.

I can count on one hand the number of people around my parts that use Nuendo and CuBase although I have those options available. the vast majority of my clientele insists on pro-tools when tracking.

Matter of fact when they call that is the 2nd Question they ask after How Much....

So when they bring in their 48+ track projects DOne at Joe Blows SSL equipped HD equipped studio in Philly St Louis or CHicago, I either have what they need or I have "Lost revenue" I have come to enjoy feeding my family.

Duardo · 1st February 2006, 04:17 AM

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Whos on Crack??? Since when did 48 =96????

48 stereo tracks = 96 voices.

With "regular" Pro Tools LE you had 32 voices. 32 mono tracks, or 16 stereo tracks, or 16 mono and 8 stereo...etc. With the new toolkit you get 48 tracks, mono or stereo...so if you use stereo tracks it's a huge increase (from 16 to 48). Mono not as much.

-Duardo

T_R_S · 1st February 2006, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by topslakr

Well, the bussing works well as does using the digital I/O... now if only they would add some more busses :)

Robert

Is 32 not enough?

Cosmonauta · 1st February 2006, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by T_R_S

Is 32 not enough?

No it isn't

Shan · 1st February 2006, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by nukmusic

Protools has come a long way with the LE version. The question is how long will the HD systems rule?? With the current and future speeds of native systems(and the competition), how long will they keep a limt on the LE interfaces.

I agree. My Quad is equal in plug-in power to an HD 3 rig.

Another guy I know has a Quad that is equal to 8 Accel cards!!!

(and that is his preliminary test)

Recording on 32 tracks all at once with tons of plug-ins at a buffer of 64 is no problem at all. I'm lovin' it.

It's about time.

Shane

Vaphoron · 1st February 2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Shan

I agree. My Quad is equal in plug-in power to an HD 3 rig.

Another guy I know has a Quad that is equal to 8 Accel cards!!!

(and that is his preliminary test)

I'm curious, what are you using to reference the power of an Accel card?

Shan · 1st February 2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Vaphoron

I'm curious, what are you using to reference the power of an Accel card?

Dverb.

One Accel card can get 54 instances of mono/stereo Dverbs at 44.1 and 48 kHz. (One Accel chip gets 6 instances of mono/stereo Dverbs @ 44.1 or 48 kHz. There are nine chips per card)

Maximum instances are approximately half at 88.2 kHz and 96 kHz, and approximately a quarter at 176.4 and 192 kHz. Actual results will likely be less due to system and session variables.

Other plugins can be used for reference. Mod Delay II (extra long) is a good CPU intensive one that is also good to use.

Keep in mind this is plug-in power only. There are other things that can be debated.

Shane

nukmusic · 1st February 2006, 09:07 AM

LMAO...........48 tracks?? Is that what's new in Protools LE?

man PC rules......

"Long Live 001"

too bad I bought the 002r and had to buy 7.0 so now I'll have to spend more cash?? again??? I think I'll wait til its free....LOL

swingset_audio · 6th February 2006, 12:05 AM

hi everybody, kyle here. can i slave my mbox to my digi002 using the spidf method mentioned previously. i run a small studio, but i'm trying to maximize the inputs off of my rig.

and i also have a quad, and it makes me happy.

title · 6th February 2006, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by swingset_audio

hi everybody, kyle here. can i slave my mbox to my digi002 using the spidf method mentioned previously. i run a small studio, but i'm trying to maximize the inputs off of my rig.

and i also have a quad, and it makes me happy.

one LE interface per rig is the rule. so you could get an 002/R and expand it through the adat lightpipe and spdif but you can't use any two LE interfaces to gain more inputs...

- title

Jonathan Starr · 7th February 2006, 09:29 AM

Does anyone know when this will be available?

Benmrx · 7th February 2006, 11:50 AM

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one LE interface per rig is the rule. so you could get an 002/R and expand it through the adat lightpipe and spdif but you can't use any two LE interfaces to gain more inputs...

This is true, but you can have to independent systems synced together for more I/O.

This is how I have my set-up wired.

002R + Frontier Designs Tango24 (16 I/O) on a G5
001 (8 I/O) on a G4

I have the spdif I/O connected between the two, with the 002R as the master wordclock, and MTC coming from the 002 and going to the 001.

Then I send all my tracks from the 001 to the 002R through the spdif cable, set up a stero aux track on the 002R and make it's input spdif. Works like a charm. 64 track, 24 I/O PTLE system.

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Does anyone know when this will be available?

I heard middle of March.

pingu · 7th February 2006, 12:22 PM

i am confused now guys.

Whats the deal.

Currently i thought stereo tracks in PT took up 2 voices and mono took up 1

now they are saying that each take up a single voice and we can now have 48 voices with the toolkit.

Jenre · 7th February 2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pingu

i am confused now guys.

Whats the deal.

Currently i thought stereo tracks in PT took up 2 voices and mono took up 1

now they are saying that each take up a single voice and we can now have 48 voices with the toolkit.

Yes. What's confusing about that?

All the talk about 'voices' is just that.. talk. It's simply a way for Digidesign to limit your track-count. It's not as if these voices are some kind of physical limitation or something Digidesign can't change. It's simple, before you got 32mono or 16stereo. Now you get 48 tracks, regardless of whether they are mono or stereo.

Easy.

xqtion · 7th February 2006, 02:02 PM

That is correct, mono track takes up 1 voice and stereo track takes up 2 voices.

Without the new Toolkit bundles, you have 32 voices total meaning 32 mono track or 16 stereo track max limit.

But with the new Toolkits you can use up to 96 voices total with 48 stereo or mono track limit.

Duardo · 7th February 2006, 03:36 PM

Quote:

I'm curious, what are you using to reference the power of an Accel card?

Dverb.

One Accel card can get 54 instances of mono/stereo Dverbs at 44.1 and 48 kHz

I'm not sure how relevant that comparison is. One of the advantages of an Accel system is the availability of plugins that are not available for native systems. I don't run any DVerbs on my system.

Besides, I'm not sure how a Quad could ever be comparable to an HD3 rig, seeing as how if you run an HD3 rig on a Quad you'll always have the power available from the computer as well as from the cards.

-Duardo

nathanvacha · 7th February 2006, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Benmrx

This is true, but you can have to independent systems synced together for more I/O.

This is how I have my set-up wired.

002R + Frontier Designs Tango24 (16 I/O) on a G5
001 (8 I/O) on a G4

I have the spdif I/O connected between the two, with the 002R as the master wordclock, and MTC coming from the 002 and going to the 001.

Then I send all my tracks from the 001 to the 002R through the spdif cable, set up a stero aux track on the 002R and make it's input spdif. Works like a charm. 64 track, 24 I/O PTLE system.

I heard middle of March.

That's right, and a trick i just learned. I don't know if you could do it with the mbox though, seeing as i don't see anyway to sync the two. There is no lightpipe and no wordclock i/o so i can't see pulling that off. Maybe on the mbox 2 you can go machine control through midi? That is purely speculation and open to correction though. also, i had never considered a 001/002 setup... what version of PT are you running and is it possible to run 2 different versions?

nathanvacha · 7th February 2006, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Benmrx

This is true, but you can have to independent systems synced together for more I/O.

This is how I have my set-up wired.

002R + Frontier Designs Tango24 (16 I/O) on a G5
001 (8 I/O) on a G4

I have the spdif I/O connected between the two, with the 002R as the master wordclock, and MTC coming from the 002 and going to the 001.

Then I send all my tracks from the 001 to the 002R through the spdif cable, set up a stero aux track on the 002R and make it's input spdif. Works like a charm. 64 track, 24 I/O PTLE system.

I heard middle of March.

That's right, and a trick i just learned. I don't know if you could do it with the mbox though, seeing as i don't see anyway to sync the two. There is no lightpipe and no wordclock i/o so i can't see pulling that off. Maybe on the mbox 2 you can go machine control through midi? That is purely speculation and open to correction though. also, i had never considered a 001/002 setup... what version of PT are you running and is it possible to run 2 different versions?

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28th January 2006, 04:43 PM	#33
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True North Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 2,481	More tracks is certainly helpful, 48 tracks would suit me fine. I record mainly acoustic music so I would run out of CPU power long before I needed more acoustic tracks. Beat Detective on mulitple channels is also great, BUT.......................................... ........ They have not addressed the whole track time alignment that comes standard with PT-HD, Nuendo and Cubase. This is such a huge pain in the a$$ with PT-LE and I can't for the life of me understand why they won't address that issue since they already have a solution in HD. It makes using hardware in LE an absolute drudgery. If they could add that feature into the mix, I would be sold and then some. $500 is not a bad price either IMO. __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey" - Beck, Loser "I do use compressors/limiters but not for controlling dynamics, I use EQ for that!" Jp22 (damn I miss him) "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -- Will Durant, historian (1885-1981) "I try to get a boom out of the bass drum, in one of my albums, my CD, boom, I try to get that big boom, I could not get a big boom, I paid bucks, and could not get the boom" - Recording Expert, Tad Donley

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Cosmonauta Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bongo Land Posts: 487	This Digi press-release is really not clear enough. So let's say... I can have a session with (e.g:) 30 mono tracks ans 18 stereo tracks? mono track = 1 voice stereo track = 1 voice is that right? __________________ Cosmonauta (sorry for my english)

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swingset_audio Gear interested Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1	first time poster... hi everybody, kyle here. can i slave my mbox to my digi002 using the spidf method mentioned previously. i run a small studio, but i'm trying to maximize the inputs off of my rig. and i also have a quad, and it makes me happy.

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pingu Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth Australia Posts: 665	i am confused now guys. Whats the deal. Currently i thought stereo tracks in PT took up 2 voices and mono took up 1 now they are saying that each take up a single voice and we can now have 48 voices with the toolkit.

7th February 2006, 02:02 PM	#55
xqtion Gear nut Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles , USA Posts: 138	That is correct, mono track takes up 1 voice and stereo track takes up 2 voices. Without the new Toolkit bundles, you have 32 voices total meaning 32 mono track or 16 stereo track max limit. But with the new Toolkits you can use up to 96 voices total with 48 stereo or mono track limit.