New Digi hardware at Namm

[Rep]

Originally Posted by Shaman

Maybe Control 24 II

do you think they Are they going to Fix the Face PLATE,
to show / reflect the +12 db on faders that is Mandatory in PTools 7.0 ?
Seams a little expensive to not show the accurate display setting .
... when you go all the way UP it shows +6 on the C24 but It shows +12 on the screen.!!

The C8 at least shows the right numerical value...

[Rep]

Originally Posted by nukmusic

If M-Audio got this.........................use your imagination!

Yea but they are going for the Small or large platforms, they seam to neglect the middle ...
Look at that photo... I really like like the setup on it over the 002 and C8..
Funny how the Project Mix io almost looks better then the Command 8 , .
Look at the work flow of the lcds ...
You can see the name and the volume at the same time for each track.
that is one thing that bugs me about my 002. I have to nudge the fader ,
just to see what the vol. is at ,or hunt it on the main screen.
I would get it ,even if only, for the feature of simultaneous view,
of the volume value ...and name of the track .
The C8 could do this but there is just a lame toggle switch .
with the 002 I could understand as there was no LCD room to do this.
BUT, on the C8 , There is Plenty of LCD ROOM =
(110-character =55 characters x 2 rows)
easily enabling this to be done If so chosen.
Maybe it could get a software update....or some one could make some kind of patch ,
as this is a SOFTWARE issue , Not hardware.
...Technically It could be done, It has the LCD space to do so !!
It would be nice working, by Having the edit window filling the entire monitor,
and then all the vital volume info, be on the control surface.
... O -well, would have been nice....
M- audio , with all the goodies ... Jog wheel And A SEPRATE MASTER FADER ....ect...

[Jamz]

No talkback?

[zimv20]

here's want i want at the LE level:

a hardware box that is little more than a dongle. it has no conversion, no pre's, no bullshit. it connects to a PCI or PCIe card (your choice, and to change is $100 or so) via some kind of wide bandwidth cable.

the box can handle 24 channels of digital, each way, at 192/24. it's got AES, s/pdif and S/MUX ports for the external converters.

perhaps it'll have a stereo d/a in it, so it could have both a headphone feed and a pair of XLRs for mix out.

2RU rackmount, $1995.

oh yeah, the on/off switch is on the front.

[Durv]

i really think they need new hardware ....bad.
NATIVE is getting right up there with Digi now...
Durv

[TestAccount]

Agreed.

Digideisgn has completely neglected the middle ground for some time. Perhaps people have been saying this long enough to make some impact on them. The PT|HD stuff looks great, but it's so damn expensive. Plus, after buying my Rosetta I'd probably go Apogee all the way with PT|HD. As for the lower markets, M-Audio's options look so much better in terms of flexibility than Digi's LE hardware systems. The LE/M-Powered software is kickass (except for the track count), but their interfaces just aren't there.

Time for a 003. And give us options. Don't give us crappy pres and less than decent A/D/A. Give us a box we can expand for ourselves. Digital I/O only - let us pick our converters. Let us pick our pres (all of em, that is...). And please - 16 just isn't enough for most commercial applications. Of course, this is where most people feel you should move up to PT|HD. Sorry, we're a struggling business/industry as it is! This stuff is cheap to make, so why not make the prices a bit more reasonable on HD stuff....just talkin' out my butt now...

Maybe a melding of LE and HD. Think about this: How about plain old interfaces - bigger ones, smaller ones, whatever size you need. They are digital interfaces. Need more digital I/O? Then buy more. Then, you'd buy the A/D/A converters you'd need, from there. Digidesign, Apogee, Benchmark, whatever. Totally expandable to just what you need. You don't blow money on stuff you don't need, yet you spend just as much as you need to to get what you want.

Now that's a free country...

[trodsky]

Originally Posted by TestAccount

Agreed.

Digideisgn has completely neglected the middle ground for some time. Perhaps people have been saying this long enough to make some impact on them. The PT|HD stuff looks great, but it's so damn expensive. Plus, after buying my Rosetta I'd probably go Apogee all the way with PT|HD. As for the lower markets, M-Audio's options look so much better in terms of flexibility than Digi's LE hardware systems. The LE/M-Powered software is kickass (except for the track count), but their interfaces just aren't there.

Time for a 003. And give us options. Don't give us crappy pres and less than decent A/D/A. Give us a box we can expand for ourselves. Digital I/O only - let us pick our converters. Let us pick our pres (all of em, that is...). And please - 16 just isn't enough for most commercial applications. Of course, this is where most people feel you should move up to PT|HD. Sorry, we're a struggling business/industry as it is! This stuff is cheap to make, so why not make the prices a bit more reasonable on HD stuff....just talkin' out my butt now...

Maybe a melding of LE and HD. Think about this: How about plain old interfaces - bigger ones, smaller ones, whatever size you need. They are digital interfaces. Need more digital I/O? Then buy more. Then, you'd buy the A/D/A converters you'd need, from there. Digidesign, Apogee, Benchmark, whatever. Totally expandable to just what you need. You don't blow money on stuff you don't need, yet you spend just as much as you need to to get what you want.

Now that's a free country...

Test acount for prez!

agreed. The only reason i'm STILL stuck on my Digi001 and alesis AI3 is that the 002 didn't really seem to be a worthwhile "step up" in most accounts. HD is WAYYYYYY out of my price range. You ask, why not use a different daw platform? welll PT is what i learned on and what I have, rather stay with it and use what i got until something comes along that i feel good stepping up to. Digi 002r didn't feel good enough to make a sideways jump.

can we do something about the freaking' latency? something besides "low latencey" mode where it bypasses everthing i got going on on sends, etc? thats my biggest complaint next to the shit preamps they feel the need to stick on there.

[orville]

But arent people either:
a) hooked on digi nightmare due to it being a 'standard' for clients / production etc
b) hooked on digi because it WAS a uniquely intuitive interface in tems of audio editing while all other competitors were miles away?
c) substitute 'intuitive interface' with 'processing power' in the above.

Aren't these reasons now redundant?

[Jenre]

Originally Posted by orville

Aren't these reasons now redundant?

I've worked with Cubase SX, Logic and Pro Tools and for me PT is easily the most intuitive and simple when it comes to editing. I wouldn't use Cubase or Logic again unless I really had to. I'm talking about LE, too. Sure, there are problems but there's problems with all software. I think it says something about Pro Tools that so many people are still sticking with it when there's other options with more features.

[orville]

I would tend to agree ... but then personally i m not sure that 's because i m just so used to pt or if its actually more intuitive as an interface.

[EngineEars]

It'd be great if the ProjectMix I/O could serve as a controller like a Command 8 when plugged up to a larger HD or LE system, but provided MPowered support as a standalone with a laptop setup. As a pro who has invested in HD it's hard to spend anymore money on a lesser setup for portable use. Make it have dual functionality and you'll win both sides of the fence with one unit. Just a thought!

[Vaphoron]

Originally Posted by EngineEars

It'd be great if the ProjectMix I/O could serve as a controller like a Command 8 when plugged up to a larger HD or LE system, but provided MPowered support as a standalone with a laptop setup.

I used to own a Digi002 and I always wished it would have worked with my HD system but when they released the Command 8 I just sold the 002 and bought the 002R and Command 8 and I have been happy ever since. I think its almost a guarantee that it will never work as a controller for HD or LE.

[nukmusic]

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showt...threadid=24137

[nukmusic]

I wish they would allow multible LE interfaces on one computer.

would be nice to have with Protools LE 7.0

48 audio tracks
auto Delay adjustment
connect up to 3 LE interfaces
upgrade of HUI protocol
surround mixing

[Rep]

All the extras are reserved for the HD setup...
I guess that Digidesign needs to give some reason to go HD other then "Power".

[nathanvacha]

Originally Posted by nukmusic

I wish they would allow multible LE interfaces on one computer.

Never tried it, but read on here that you can. Apparently, you can use two 002's, i'm assuming the 002R actually... i don't suppose you could effectively use two 002's with the built in control surface, but maybe a 002 and 002R I guess you have to link them through the midi and something else. Again, never done it, but supposedly if you dig around enough with digi they'll tell you how. or search on here... somone i think posted a copy of what digi sent them about it. oh, and i don't think you can even find it on the website, i think you have to get someone to email it to you. Or figure it out. I know it involves linking the midi. Good luck.
Nathan.

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Originally Posted by nathanvacha

Never tried it, but read on here that you can. Apparently, you can use two 002's, i'm assuming the 002R actually... i don't suppose you could effectively use two 002's with the built in control surface, but maybe a 002 and 002R I guess you have to link them through the midi and something else. Again, never done it, but supposedly if you dig around enough with digi they'll tell you how. or search on here... somone i think posted a copy of what digi sent them about it. oh, and i don't think you can even find it on the website, i think you have to get someone to email it to you. Or figure it out. I know it involves linking the midi. Good luck.
Nathan.

as of now It is a 002 / 002r / mbox , with a C8, Or C24,
we did 002 with C24 ...
but no multi io boxes together as of now..

[edwinhurwitz]

Surround mixing on LE would be great. I have a couple of projects right now of live bands that want to do DVDs and consequently, I have had to get Logic. Logic is very poorly named as nothing is where you expect it to be. Maybe I am just too used to PT, but Logic just doesn't seem that intuitive for doing audio. Perhaps for MIDI, it's great. It's also ugly. The waveforms just look primitive. However, it does seem to sound very nice.

I keep telling myself that it's a good thing to be learning something new.......
Edwin

[TestAccount]

I was thinking about going into politics a while back. And yes, I would be running for president.

[gpcramseysoral]

Chris, do you know if it's it possible to use external converters (when using it as a pro tools interface)?

Originally Posted by C.Lambrechts

Digi is going to hit the analog market at Namm.

1 outboard tube compressor and 1 outboard tube EQ .... both 7.1 surround capable and switchable.

They are both fully controllable , directly from the software and you can store and recall settings with it.

Each of these 'interfaces' is capable of simulating 12 eq's or dyn's in mono, 6 in strereo and 1 in surround (5.1 or 7.1)

The entire thing can be hooked up straight to one of the core cards ... just like an interface and you can also have the option to have an extra pci or pci-e card that would serve to hook up to 3 of these. It just doesn't have any dsp on it and only allow the new stuff to interface with the system. Kinda like the I/O cards back in the PT III days.

Rumour has that they were 'co designed' by EveAnna and George.


I think they are considering 'mercenary editions' as well'

[Snarf]

This is very OT, but has anybody in here using m-audio, had their firewire ports killed by hotswapping/plugging?

I read about this dude who had his firewire ports ruined because i hadn`t read the part where m-audio tells you no ALWAYS power down your computer before connecting their fw devices. Am I the only one who thinks this is weird? Seeing how no other hardwar manufacturer actually adresses this problem, it seems like its an m-audio issue. So why can`t they just fix it? I´ve seen other manufacturers ecomeding to plug in Fw devices AFTEr starting the computer... Weird.


Back on Track

New hardware would be sweet, but added tracks and other useful features to LE, would be just as nice.

When people ask why you don`t just go HD, or if you can`t afford it, why not change DAW, I always say the same thing. Because despite all its quirks (are there really that many..?), PT is the most stable, easy, powerfull and great to use DAW I`ve ever laid my hands on. I`ve used Logic (still do, for midi it kicks ass), Nuendo, Cubase, Sonar 4, Live and some modplug trackers in myday, but nothing comes close to PT for Audio recording and editing. The only real weakness is the midi-part, but their getting there.

Still, its weird to se how Logic handles a shitload of Symphonic Orchestra Gold instances without breaking a sweat, while PT starts shaking with a much lower instance cout.. Well. Can`t win`em all.

Let`s just hope Digi stay focused on AUDIO, adding more tracks and whatnot, and don`t get lost in the Virtual Instruments scheme.

[Ziggy!!]

LMAO... They already sells product with all these features... except for SMUX though, that will never happen.

Its called Protools|HD

[Snarf]

When HD is the industry standard at the high end level, shoulden´t one think they could be more competetive at the low end as well? (Cubase LE 48 tracks.. PT LE 32 tracks.. Cubase LE for ****s sake...)

Nomatter. I still think, And most of the people posting in this thread will probably agree, that LE is a kickass budget DAW, but nobodys perfect. Always room for improvement.

(Ziggy: If you think we`re total dickwads for hoping for more feats in ptLE, you don`t HAVE to read this thread. Just keep on playing with your totally awesome HD rig and know that we all envy the **** out of you. :) )

[FOURTHTUNZ]

Originally Posted by orville

But arent people either:
a) hooked on digi nightmare due to it being a 'standard' for clients / production etc
b) hooked on digi because it WAS a uniquely intuitive interface in tems of audio editing while all other competitors were miles away?
c) substitute 'intuitive interface' with 'processing power' in the above.

Aren't these reasons now redundant?

I keep wondering the same thing, right now especially, but I've worked and taken classes for protools so that keeps me from changing but then I come back to the 192 which allows alot of I/o options and the control 24 which is not the most ergonomic controller but both of these items are made by digi to work with digi software.
I've recorded 5000 or so songs since 99 on this or similar digi setups and had to send 1 client home due to computer problems( I updated the day before)so I'm a little nervous about ditching it. I could probably net 7 or 8 k by going to a native solution,what do you recommend? I'd like 24 moving faders and lottsa buttons that are tied to the software, and I/o that'll do 16 ins/8outs analog plus 8 channnels aes, 8 adat/tdif, 2 channels optical, 2 spdif all for about $6k, and the reliability above, can it be done?

[Ziggy!!]

Originally Posted by Snarf

When HD is the industry standard at the high end level, shoulden´t one think they could be more competetive at the low end as well?

Competitive against who? themselves? Some guys here are asking for so many features that the product they want will compete with protools|HD. Anyone with a sense for business will realise that LE will always be quite limited in comparison. multiple units, expanded I/O, ADC, large track counts, s,urround & post functions etc, etc are what attract potential buyers to get HD. If LE offered half of that for a fraction of the price it would reduce HD sales. In an day an age when a protools|TDM rig is becoming less and less appealling and essential it would be like shooting yourself in the foot...

'tis all im saying. Im just a lowly LE user like the rest of you, im just trying to keep it somewhat realistic.

That new apogee setup is looking mighty tasty though.

[picksail]

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

Competitive against who? themselves? Some guys here are asking for so many features that the product they want will compete with protools|HD. Anyone with a sense for business will realise that LE will always be quite limited in comparison. multiple units, expanded I/O, ADC, large track counts, s,urround & post functions etc, etc are what attract potential buyers to get HD. If LE offered half of that for a fraction of the price it would reduce HD sales. In an day an age when a protools|TDM rig is becoming less and less appealling and essential it would be like shooting yourself in the foot...

'tis all im saying. Im just a lowly LE user like the rest of you, im just trying to keep it somewhat realistic.

That new apogee setup is looking mighty tasty though.

I didn't notice anything new at the Digi booth. Of course, I was on the move so maybe I overlooked something.

[Ziggy!!]

Originally Posted by picksail

I didn't notice anything new at the Digi booth. Of course, I was on the move so maybe I overlooked something.

LE supports 48 tracks now... some new plugins and junk but other than that nothing major.

[LightningBefore]

Originally Posted by title

you know the suit case in pulp fiction? it would be kinda like that....

hahaha i was just thinking about that this morning.