Waves Tune and Breath

jumpnyc · 8th October 2005, 11:35 PM

Holy poop batman at AES new autotune plugin in from Waves and Breath removal plug in - both outstanding. In 2 weeks - make sure you are in WUP.

spaceman · 9th October 2005, 03:36 PM

Tell us more ! Nothing on waves page yet..

Shan · 9th October 2005, 07:45 PM

A little hint of how it works here. It is suppose to be way more efficient than Auto-tune.

Appearantly it has streamline features that everyone wanted in Auto-tune. If you wait too long then someone else will make it better.

Shane

Ruairi · 9th October 2005, 11:00 PM

Breath removal, wow that's a big step forward.....

I knew I could make truly great records if only I could get rid of those breaths.

jumpnyc · 10th October 2005, 05:20 AM

Breath removal is a very important and big development for many audio engineers who have spent the time removing breaths by hand on long VO or Rap VOX files. Gates work but this tool looks like the holy grail. For my Post work it will save hours.

The auto tune plugin looks like the best of melodyne and autotune in one.

Silver Sonya · 10th October 2005, 08:26 AM

finally a plug-in that suffocates your audio INTENTIONALLY

TheSweetener · 10th October 2005, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

finally a plug-in that suffocates your audio INTENTIONALLY

LOL

radiospace · 14th October 2005, 01:35 AM

Harmony Central has an article up, including a couple of screenshots...

T_R_S · 14th October 2005, 02:17 AM

I am wondering why all this information is well hidden on the Waves web site.
I must be blind as there seems no mention of it there. Price ? Demos? is it free with WUP?

cultureofgreed · 14th October 2005, 06:56 AM

"The final vocal line can be exported as a MIDI file so the user can have other instruments tracking it exactly, or create perfect harmonies and counter-melodies."

Thats a hot feature, imagine the possibilities.

PMoshay · 14th October 2005, 07:59 AM

The Tuner plugin is amazing, i went back to see it 2x.
Ive always used Autotune and know just about everything it can and cant do, and when this finally comes out.........i wont miss Autotune.

The audio shifting is formant correction so it sounds much better than autotune when its pitching. And you can completely change the melody of what someone sang and it sounds like they sang it that way.

It is basically a standalone program that routes into PT thru rewire. The reason that they did that is because Digi only allows plugin developers to access so much DSP power with plugins and Waves needed way more DSP to do the job right and give you lots of control and the ability to see detailed waveforms (very zoomable) with all the tuning information overlayed on it.
There is no need to use automation with this plug in, you just save your setting kinda like automation.
Its extremely powerful, but they made it very simple to use and understand very fast.

As always, Waves is at the top of their game. They deserve to charge what they do, they just have great stuff.

And i heard they have other bombs to drop in the near future too that will make us all scramble for our credit cards.

juicemaster1500 · 14th October 2005, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PMoshay

And i heard they have other bombs to drop in the near future too that will make us all scramble for our credit cards.

care to elaborate?

C.Lambrechts · 14th October 2005, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PMoshay

The audio shifting is formant correction so it sounds much better than autotune when its pitching. And you can completely change the melody of what someone sang and it sounds like they sang it that way.

Sounds like a Melodynisch way of tuning. I'll be very curious to try it out.

Melodyne's audio quality after processing / or even without processing and simply passing the audio through melodyne is to put it simple : UNACCEPTABLE.

I hope waves did a better job.

Arguably one can say of course that if one needs to tune, the loss in 'sound' comes with that. But autotune so far has proven the most effective in that fiels.

jumpnyc · 14th October 2005, 08:52 PM

My understandind - disclaimer I don't work for Waves and it was loud on the AES floor.

Gold and above if you are in WUP you get

Tune lite (no midi functionality import/export) - upgrade to full is ~$300 (this is from memory folks and I could be completely wrong)

Breath free under WUP if Gold +

7 Hz · 18th October 2005, 12:33 AM

news just in... I have just developed a plug in that removes the music from your music! Guaranteed to work 100%, 100% of the time. PM me for details.

Musiclab · 18th October 2005, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PMoshay

The Tuner plugin is amazing, i went back to see it 2x.
Ive always used Autotune and know just about everything it can and cant do, and when this finally comes out.........i wont miss Autotune.

The audio shifting is formant correction so it sounds much better than autotune when its pitching. And you can completely change the melody of what someone sang and it sounds like they sang it that way.

It is basically a standalone program that routes into PT thru rewire. The reason that they did that is because Digi only allows plugin developers to access so much DSP power with plugins and Waves needed way more DSP to do the job right and give you lots of control and the ability to see detailed waveforms (very zoomable) with all the tuning information overlayed on it.
There is no need to use automation with this plug in, you just save your setting kinda like automation.
Its extremely powerful, but they made it very simple to use and understand very fast.

As always, Waves is at the top of their game. They deserve to charge what they do, they just have great stuff.

And i heard they have other bombs to drop in the near future too that will make us all scramble for our credit cards.

Pete you're not saying you use that stuff on Daryl?

Shan · 3rd November 2005, 09:38 AM

More info on Waves Tune released on the Digi site. Release must be around the corner.

Shane

moogman · 5th November 2005, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PMoshay

[...] As always, Waves is at the top of their game. They deserve to charge what they do, they just have great stuff. [...]

Agreed on both counts.

Too bad they then resort to their ill-conceived WUP-ASS to extract additional money from its users. As "justified" by the otherwise fine folks at Waves, this particular CMS* may look or sound good... until you abandon the "Waves-made KoolAid Diet Plan" and start applying a bit of noggin' power to it all. All of it is particularly bad if one is a TDM user.

Take a look at what Waves "promises" (they're actually more clever than that - they only hint, never promise) and what they have delivered since WUP-ASS was implemented. The sad but hard-to-refute facts show that WUP-ASS monies have financed the company's development of new hardware (!), porting existing software to platforms other than TDM (360 bundle to VST), and financed the development of entirely new products. None of the above is bad, per se, except that it is achieved thanks to financing obtained under false pretences.

I wouldn't mind nearly as much if Waves were to address long-standing bugs, if it were to implement new functionality brought forth by PT 6.0 (!) and subsequent releases, or if it were to follow some very reasonable customer requests (such as releasing mono versions of their L2). Instead... nada!

As implemented by Waves over the course of the last few years, the WUP-ASS program is unfair, underhanded and deceitful. As much as I love the company's products, I am compelled to speak out about this most egregious example of greed.

* Customer Milking Scheme

jzb · 5th November 2005, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moogman

As much as I love the company's products, I am compelled to speak out about this most egregious example of greed.

Now go take some of this angst and record a song! There are musicians literally dying to get that kind of anger into their stuff.

-j

moogman · 5th November 2005, 06:48 AM

The depth of your insight is truly awe-inspiring. I hope you're in charge of big things, SuperBuddy™.

Shan · 7th November 2005, 10:34 PM

Just released.

Shane

T_R_S · 8th November 2005, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shan

Just released.

Shane

No Offence Shan but this tool does not jive with you signature quote.

Shan · 8th November 2005, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_R_S

No Offence Shan but this tool does not jive with you signature quote.

I know.

The funny thing is that I just finished a session with a guy who wanted me to spend hours tuning and fixing his vocals. I told him no and that he doesnt need it. We spent a few extra hours getting it down the way it should be. Just saved myself days of edits.

And I was even thinking about quoting my signature to him also.

But the big irony of it all, is that I get hired to tune vocal tracks quite often.

I cant begin to tell you how much I HATE that part of my job. And the more I charge to stop people from hiring me to do this, the more people seem to hire me. Go figure. Pays the bills though.

Shane

Shan · 8th November 2005, 07:31 AM

I also got a good laugh at how Waves promotes this on their "Intro" video. They seem to make 'pitch correction' as something that is 'always done' and 'suppose' to happen in sessions.

Shane

Tetness · 17th November 2005, 06:43 AM

I just made the plunge and bought it. Hope it's good.

Silver Sonya · 17th November 2005, 07:42 AM

This software makes me wonder why Celemony didn't patent the Melodyne approach. Or if they did, why they're not suing. It's quite obvious to me that Waves (and MOTU) have appropriated the Celemony "look & feel." The Melodyne approach is so smart and intuitive, you're surprised nobody thought of it before. It makes a lot more sense musically than the Antares Autotune model. (My opinion, of course.)

So why isn't Celemony getting upset about people encroaching upon their terrain? Or did the "look & feel" lawsuit go out of fashion at the end of the '90s?...

- c

mac black · 17th November 2005, 04:30 PM

Im checking the tune lite and its amazing
I don't think waves are doing the breath as a free upgrade even to Platinum users with WUP ....

pigpen · 24th November 2005, 05:52 AM

I'm with Tetness...I took the dive as well.
Hope it is cool....I hate Autotune, so I maybe I will only paritally hate this!

Angus202 · 24th November 2005, 04:20 PM

may I ask where you purchased tune from? I usually deal with sweetwater, but they've only got the "vocal BUNDLE"; that double tracker and de-breath stuff are of no use to me.
Thanks!
-Ryan

mac black · 25th November 2005, 03:48 AM

You can get it of waves.com ....
I got the tune lite (free upgrade for platinum owners)
But Im pissed off that thats all they give and I only got AU ....has anyone got the TDM tune?

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8th October 2005, 11:35 PM	#1
jumpnyc Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 695	Waves Tune and Breath Holy poop batman at AES new autotune plugin in from Waves and Breath removal plug in - both outstanding. In 2 weeks - make sure you are in WUP.

9th October 2005, 07:45 PM	#3
Shan Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 634	A little hint of how it works here. It is suppose to be way more efficient than Auto-tune. Appearantly it has streamline features that everyone wanted in Auto-tune. If you wait too long then someone else will make it better. Shane __________________ "Music should be performed by the musician not by the engineer." Michael Wagener 25th July 2005, 02:59 PM _____________________________________________

10th October 2005, 08:26 AM	#6
Silver Sonya Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,514	RE: breath removal finally a plug-in that suffocates your audio INTENTIONALLY

14th October 2005, 02:17 AM	#9
T_R_S Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canuk Posts: 3,413	I am wondering why all this information is well hidden on the Waves web site. I must be blind as there seems no mention of it there. Price ? Demos? is it free with WUP? __________________ === NEW Into Eternity Video Pre-Release

9th October 2005, 03:36 PM	#2
spaceman Gear Head Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Paris Posts: 54	Tell us more ! Nothing on waves page yet..

9th October 2005, 11:00 PM	#4
Ruairi Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ireland Posts: 328	Breath removal, wow that's a big step forward..... I knew I could make truly great records if only I could get rid of those breaths.

10th October 2005, 05:20 AM	#5
jumpnyc Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 695	Breath removal is a very important and big development for many audio engineers who have spent the time removing breaths by hand on long VO or Rap VOX files. Gates work but this tool looks like the holy grail. For my Post work it will save hours. The auto tune plugin looks like the best of melodyne and autotune in one.

14th October 2005, 01:35 AM	#8
radiospace Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 430	Harmony Central has an article up, including a couple of screenshots...

14th October 2005, 06:56 AM	#10
cultureofgreed Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Interzone Posts: 292	"The final vocal line can be exported as a MIDI file so the user can have other instruments tracking it exactly, or create perfect harmonies and counter-melodies." Thats a hot feature, imagine the possibilities. __________________ Too many pieces of music finish too long after the end. - Igor Stravinsky.

14th October 2005, 07:59 AM	#11
PMoshay Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NY Posts: 345	The Tuner plugin is amazing, i went back to see it 2x. Ive always used Autotune and know just about everything it can and cant do, and when this finally comes out.........i wont miss Autotune. The audio shifting is formant correction so it sounds much better than autotune when its pitching. And you can completely change the melody of what someone sang and it sounds like they sang it that way. It is basically a standalone program that routes into PT thru rewire. The reason that they did that is because Digi only allows plugin developers to access so much DSP power with plugins and Waves needed way more DSP to do the job right and give you lots of control and the ability to see detailed waveforms (very zoomable) with all the tuning information overlayed on it. There is no need to use automation with this plug in, you just save your setting kinda like automation. Its extremely powerful, but they made it very simple to use and understand very fast. As always, Waves is at the top of their game. They deserve to charge what they do, they just have great stuff. And i heard they have other bombs to drop in the near future too that will make us all scramble for our credit cards.

14th October 2005, 08:52 PM	#14
jumpnyc Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 695	My understandind - disclaimer I don't work for Waves and it was loud on the AES floor. Gold and above if you are in WUP you get Tune lite (no midi functionality import/export) - upgrade to full is ~$300 (this is from memory folks and I could be completely wrong) Breath free under WUP if Gold +

18th October 2005, 12:33 AM	#15
7 Hz Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 901	news just in... I have just developed a plug in that removes the music from your music! Guaranteed to work 100%, 100% of the time. PM me for details.

3rd November 2005, 09:38 AM	#17
Shan Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 634	More info on Waves Tune released on the Digi site. Release must be around the corner. Shane __________________ "Music should be performed by the musician not by the engineer." Michael Wagener 25th July 2005, 02:59 PM _____________________________________________

5th November 2005, 06:48 AM	#20
moogman Gear Head Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pasadena Posts: 39	The depth of your insight is truly awe-inspiring. I hope you're in charge of big things, SuperBuddy™. __________________ Andre Knecht “We’ll fix it in the shrink-wrap” (Frank Zappa)

7th November 2005, 10:34 PM	#21
Shan Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 634	Just released. Shane __________________ "Music should be performed by the musician not by the engineer." Michael Wagener 25th July 2005, 02:59 PM _____________________________________________

8th November 2005, 07:31 AM	#24
Shan Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 634	I also got a good laugh at how Waves promotes this on their "Intro" video. They seem to make 'pitch correction' as something that is 'always done' and 'suppose' to happen in sessions. Shane __________________ "Music should be performed by the musician not by the engineer." Michael Wagener 25th July 2005, 02:59 PM _____________________________________________

17th November 2005, 06:43 AM	#25
Tetness Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hollywood Posts: 1,372	I just made the plunge and bought it. Hope it's good.

17th November 2005, 07:42 AM	#26
Silver Sonya Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,514	I liked this software the first time... when it was called Melodyne... This software makes me wonder why Celemony didn't patent the Melodyne approach. Or if they did, why they're not suing. It's quite obvious to me that Waves (and MOTU) have appropriated the Celemony "look & feel." The Melodyne approach is so smart and intuitive, you're surprised nobody thought of it before. It makes a lot more sense musically than the Antares Autotune model. (My opinion, of course.) So why isn't Celemony getting upset about people encroaching upon their terrain? Or did the "look & feel" lawsuit go out of fashion at the end of the '90s?... - c

17th November 2005, 04:30 PM	#27
mac black Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: london Posts: 1,699	Im checking the tune lite and its amazing I don't think waves are doing the breath as a free upgrade even to Platinum users with WUP ....

24th November 2005, 05:52 AM	#28
pigpen Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens, GA- US Posts: 2,224	I'm with Tetness...I took the dive as well. Hope it is cool....I hate Autotune, so I maybe I will only paritally hate this! __________________ Me- "You know he's not playing in key right?" Unnamed Producer A- "Really?....Uh, Does that matter?" Me- sigh...."In all other cases, Yes, in this one...I guess not so much." http://pigpenstudios.net http://www.myspace.com/pigpenstudios

24th November 2005, 04:20 PM	#29
Angus202 Gear Head Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 41	may I ask where you purchased tune from? I usually deal with sweetwater, but they've only got the "vocal BUNDLE"; that double tracker and de-breath stuff are of no use to me. Thanks! -Ryan

25th November 2005, 03:48 AM	#30
mac black Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: london Posts: 1,699	You can get it of waves.com .... I got the tune lite (free upgrade for platinum owners) But Im pissed off that thats all they give and I only got AU ....has anyone got the TDM tune?