112 db Redline EQ is out! - Page 2

Marando · 12th August 2009, 04:03 PM

I only had about 3 minutes to test it, but it's the first VST plugin in like 6 months that caused crackle in my sound. Looks like I can't use this plugin with my ASIO setting on 7ms. Will try 10ms later today and I hope it will work without a problem, so I can finally find out how it sounds!

dj! (112dB) · 12th August 2009, 04:17 PM

That is definitely not right... I'm getting no crackles here even at 0.7 msec (32 samples) latency. What are your system specs, what host, and what does a CPU meter display?

Thanks,

-- dj!

Reborn · 12th August 2009, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj!

That is definitely not right... I'm getting no crackles here even at 0.7 msec (32 samples) latency. What are your system specs, what host, and what does a CPU meter display?

Thanks,

-- dj!

I can't get your EQ to play back in sync with the track. I am using logic 8 and the delay compensation is not compensating. Help me out because the tone sounds promising! I really wanna try out this EQ?

Jazztone

dj! (112dB) · 12th August 2009, 05:10 PM

Did you update to 1.0.1 from our download page? There was a silly bug in 1.0 that caused the AU to report a wrong latency.

Take care,

-- dj!

Reborn · 12th August 2009, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj!

Did you update to 1.0.1 from our download page? There was a silly bug in 1.0 that caused the AU to report a wrong latency.

Take care,

-- dj!

Yes I am using the 1.01 version according to my downloa manager!

gsharp · 12th August 2009, 07:03 PM

I'm on 1.01 as well and Logic is not compensating for the latency

dj! (112dB) · 12th August 2009, 08:34 PM

I hope I'm not stating the obvious here but 1.0.1 definitely (I just checked again to make 100% certain) fixes the latency issue in Logic 8 here so... could you verify that Preferences > Audio > General > Plug-In Delay > Compensation is set to "All", and that the version info at the bottom of the Redline EQ window states "version 1.0.1"?

Also perhaps a rescan from Preferences > Audio Units Manager might make Logic update its latency info--it shd do this automatically but hey...

-- dj!

gsharp · 12th August 2009, 08:45 PM

Oops!!! SO SORRY. 1.0.1 indeed fixes it in LP9. I must have downloaded the update but never run it again. So stoked. This eq is awesome.

Reborn · 12th August 2009, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj!

I hope I'm not stating the obvious here but 1.0.1 definitely (I just checked again to make 100% certain) fixes the latency issue in Logic 8 here so... could you verify that Preferences > Audio > General > Plug-In Delay > Compensation is set to "All", and that the version info at the bottom of the Redline EQ window states "version 1.0.1"?

Also perhaps a rescan from Preferences > Audio Units Manager might make Logic update its latency info--it shd do this automatically but hey...

-- dj!

OK I am using a Imac 2.0 C2D Max Ram Logic 8.02. Delay compensation is set to ALL and audio buffer size is 512. I am using a Apogee Duet and this is the only plug in out of sync with the session. I will try the plug in (Redline) in a different Song session! Also the version installed of your plug is 1.01 and I tried your suggestions. Thanks.

Jazztone

gsharp · 13th August 2009, 03:59 AM

The latency thing is fixed but I'm still getting a drop in level. -2.5dB now.

Reborn · 13th August 2009, 07:43 AM

The latency is still off and not compensated. This occurs when universal track mode is off. I also hear a level increase when soloing a track containing the redline EQ Tonally I really like what I am hearing. Does broad strokes very well!

Jazztone

Marando · 13th August 2009, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj!

That is definitely not right... I'm getting no crackles here even at 0.7 msec (32 samples) latency. What are your system specs, what host, and what does a CPU meter display?

Thanks,

-- dj!

Hi,

Next week I have more time to do some serious testing. I will let you know how it goes!

(I'm using Cubase 4 on WinXP 32bit with 2GB ram.)

JPeters86 · 13th August 2009, 08:34 AM

I love the harmonic distortion part. Gonna buy this one.

dj! (112dB) · 13th August 2009, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Empty Planet

Could you talk a little bit about the "harmonic distortion"? Is it applied automatically across the spectrum or only on the frequencies one alters with the eq points? If I'm not mistaken, if one cranks the distortion I notice the level increases without being compensated for by the auto-gain. Also, the manual seemed to suggest that it reacts to different material differently, unlike a distortion algo that simply applies the same treatment across the spectrum. Is that so, and if so, could you elaborate?

Not sure where it suggests that but no, the harmonic distortion shd be considered an overall dirtification of the entire signal path and so affects all frequencies equally. But (as you would expect) the level of the harmonics is directly proportional to the signal loudness. So basically, the louder the more harmonic distortion.

But boosts or cuts will indeed affect the harmonic distortion generated--the distortion section is pre-EQ. Also the Cutoff control changes the harmonics generated: with the control at max up all frequencies generate equal harmonics, while at lower settings the harmonics are attenuated with 6dB/oct above the cutoff frequency.

Does that make sense? :)

-- dj!

Empty Planet · 13th August 2009, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj!

Not sure where it suggests that....

Ahh, it was just me. I think I was some combination of hopeful and addled.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj!

Does that make sense? :)

-- dj!

Yes, your info clarifies a geat deal. Thanks!

If you could clarify something else for me -- I'm having trouble getting my puny Earth brain to wrap around the concept of how a single mono signal could be out of phase with itself, or rather how your instantiation of the phase shift adjustment knob works exactly. It was my -- possibly somewhat limited -- understanding that phase only has relevance for me when two identical or near identical signals are out of phase with each other (god knows I've fought this in EGs and drum overs for centuries thanks to my genius engineering). But I'm not getting how adjusting the phase on a single mono source can be of use to me. Could you spell that one out for me, please? If there's -- yet ANOTHER -- huge area of mixing I've yet to even recognize after presumably doing this for years...I can only say, "Oh goodie."

At any rate, quite an interesting plugin. Strikes me as a definite step in the evolution of plugin quality. It can indeed sound pleasingly thick and "analogish" on some sources. It will take a while to explore all the combinations of its features, but I'm having fun doing so.

Cheers.

Ermz · 14th August 2009, 03:43 AM

Any standard EQ boost or cut creates a phase shift, as it's essentially the basis of how your standard EQ functions. On mono signals it creates frequency related phasing effects, so the track does in fact phase with itself across different bands. This is why the 'phase shift' control is great on ALL sources!

Just trying this thing out and I'm really impressed so far. It might well topple the Sonnox EQ as my workhorse. It seems to really be taking things a step forward and giving people a bit of everything they want in a very versatile package.

There is only one suggestion that I would put forward, and it's strictly a workflow/speed related one. The 'Alt' modifier that makes the mouse change Q instead of Gain on the graphic display would be great if it locked off side-to-side movement so that you can't accidentally knock off to the side of the band you zero'd in on whilst adjusting quality factor.

It would also be fantastic if the right mouse button was re-purposed to be the Q adjuster instead of having to use both hands to hold down the modifier key and use the mouse, much as the Sonnox EQ does. That's one of the very small things that makes the Sonnox EQ so very usable for me... the fact that you can do just about anything you want on the graphic display with your mouse and two buttons.

If you sort out these two issues and get the EQ's workflow to match its feature set, it would be a stock standard, work-horse EQ without match.

Great work!

PS. Could you please tell us, do the different EQ models adjust the type of harmonic distortion that's generated, or do they solely alter the shape of the bell curves? Is this something that can be done via using the right-click menu to adjust the cut and boost shapes, or do the EQ models bring something unique to the table?

Izzi · 14th August 2009, 06:29 AM

Hey Guys,

Is anyone else getting a loud Click/Pop with the EQ when instantiating, uninstantiating, changing parameters, changing presets and closing (quitting) a session with the EQ plug-in being used in the session?

I'm seeing this in PT, Logic and Peak Pro.

Thanks very much!

PowerMac G5 DualCore 2.3 (PPC) with 8GB of RAM, Tiger 10.4.11
Digidesign Digi 002 (Console), Pro Tools LE 7.4cs10
Logic Pro 7.2.3
Peak Pro 5.2.1

Mar · 14th August 2009, 09:13 AM

Hi, I think this EQ is beautiful... the only think I wuold like to see is a more precise and visible spectrum analyzer! like the one in the apeq... anyway, I think I'll buy it.

fragletrollet · 14th August 2009, 12:18 PM

Love it. I just hate Fls manual delay compensation

Would be nice with a non LP version with ^no^ delay...

I love the harmonic distortion part, and hitting it hard sounds great!

the ^Gentle Mastering^ preset blowed me away inserted on a bus with pads and synths... glued it together real nicely, and just made it fit

Izzi · 14th August 2009, 05:53 PM

Am I the only one?

Silver Sonya · 14th August 2009, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by izzi

Am I the only one?

I ask this question every day of my life.

- c

Nowak · 15th August 2009, 12:53 AM

Yes I also got a very loud pop when changing parameters. VERY loud.

I had to stop as I was scared I'd lose my monitors. :(

Stef

Izzi · 15th August 2009, 02:52 AM

God Bless! I thought I was the only one!

Which audio programs are you having this problem with?

Nowak · 15th August 2009, 03:11 AM

In Logic 9

Izzi · 15th August 2009, 03:30 AM

Thanks!

Anyone seeing this in Pro Tools?

Really unusable at this point!

fragletrollet · 15th August 2009, 11:19 AM

I had some problems with many instances, the project would load very slow, and then before fully loaded, there would come strange wobbly glitchy sounds for half a minute (!) and then the project would load and all is good. Weird tough

Emeth · 15th August 2009, 09:09 PM

Please try new vst beta build at 112dB redline eq forum. This is one fine eq that needs your feedback.

I now use only glorious Reper v3.1 as my DAW consequently can only give feedback from that angle. Personally your feedback is important to me coz I've already paid for the thing and so wanna make sure it works.

PeeWeeGee · 16th August 2009, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsharp

The latency thing is fixed but I'm still getting a drop in level. -2.5dB now.

+1

Posted to the 112dB forum, as well.

dj! (112dB) · 7th September 2009, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ermz

There is only one suggestion that I would put forward, and it's strictly a workflow/speed related one. The 'Alt' modifier that makes the mouse change Q instead of Gain on the graphic display would be great if it locked off side-to-side movement so that you can't accidentally knock off to the side of the band you zero'd in on whilst adjusting quality factor.

It would also be fantastic if the right mouse button was re-purposed to be the Q adjuster instead of having to use both hands to hold down the modifier key and use the mouse.

Like I replied earlier--errrr, did I?--: both good suggestions and I'm happy to announce that our recent 1.0.2 update now works this way on both accounts. Thanks much for the suggestions!

Take care,

-- dj!

Ermz · 7th September 2009, 02:09 PM

That's great. Thanks for listening to the userbase. I was only playing around with it, but I might have to give it a serious look now!

12th August 2009, 04:17 PM	#32
dj! (112dB) Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 112dB HQ Posts: 120	That is definitely not right... I'm getting no crackles here even at 0.7 msec (32 samples) latency. What are your system specs, what host, and what does a CPU meter display? Thanks, -- dj! __________________ Morgana \| Redline Series \| Big Blue Series

12th August 2009, 05:10 PM	#34
dj! (112dB) Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 112dB HQ Posts: 120	Did you update to 1.0.1 from our download page? There was a silly bug in 1.0 that caused the AU to report a wrong latency. Take care, -- dj! __________________ Morgana \| Redline Series \| Big Blue Series

12th August 2009, 08:34 PM	#37
dj! (112dB) Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 112dB HQ Posts: 120	I hope I'm not stating the obvious here but 1.0.1 definitely (I just checked again to make 100% certain) fixes the latency issue in Logic 8 here so... could you verify that Preferences > Audio > General > Plug-In Delay > Compensation is set to "All", and that the version info at the bottom of the Redline EQ window states "version 1.0.1"? Also perhaps a rescan from Preferences > Audio Units Manager might make Logic update its latency info--it shd do this automatically but hey... -- dj! __________________ Morgana \| Redline Series \| Big Blue Series

13th August 2009, 08:34 AM	#43
JPeters86 Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 2,081	I love the harmonic distortion part. Gonna buy this one. __________________ Best wishes, JPeters86

14th August 2009, 03:43 AM	#46
Ermz Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 624	Any standard EQ boost or cut creates a phase shift, as it's essentially the basis of how your standard EQ functions. On mono signals it creates frequency related phasing effects, so the track does in fact phase with itself across different bands. This is why the 'phase shift' control is great on ALL sources! Just trying this thing out and I'm really impressed so far. It might well topple the Sonnox EQ as my workhorse. It seems to really be taking things a step forward and giving people a bit of everything they want in a very versatile package. There is only one suggestion that I would put forward, and it's strictly a workflow/speed related one. The 'Alt' modifier that makes the mouse change Q instead of Gain on the graphic display would be great if it locked off side-to-side movement so that you can't accidentally knock off to the side of the band you zero'd in on whilst adjusting quality factor. It would also be fantastic if the right mouse button was re-purposed to be the Q adjuster instead of having to use both hands to hold down the modifier key and use the mouse, much as the Sonnox EQ does. That's one of the very small things that makes the Sonnox EQ so very usable for me... the fact that you can do just about anything you want on the graphic display with your mouse and two buttons. If you sort out these two issues and get the EQ's workflow to match its feature set, it would be a stock standard, work-horse EQ without match. Great work! PS. Could you please tell us, do the different EQ models adjust the type of harmonic distortion that's generated, or do they solely alter the shape of the bell curves? Is this something that can be done via using the right-click menu to adjust the cut and boost shapes, or do the EQ models bring something unique to the table? __________________

12th August 2009, 04:03 PM	#31
Marando Gear addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 387	I only had about 3 minutes to test it, but it's the first VST plugin in like 6 months that caused crackle in my sound. Looks like I can't use this plugin with my ASIO setting on 7ms. Will try 10ms later today and I hope it will work without a problem, so I can finally find out how it sounds!

12th August 2009, 07:03 PM	#36
gsharp Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 705	I'm on 1.01 as well and Logic is not compensating for the latency

12th August 2009, 08:45 PM	#38
gsharp Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 705	Oops!!! SO SORRY. 1.0.1 indeed fixes it in LP9. I must have downloaded the update but never run it again. So stoked. This eq is awesome.

13th August 2009, 03:59 AM	#40
gsharp Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 705	The latency thing is fixed but I'm still getting a drop in level. -2.5dB now.

13th August 2009, 07:43 AM	#41
Reborn Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 311	The latency is still off and not compensated. This occurs when universal track mode is off. I also hear a level increase when soloing a track containing the redline EQ Tonally I really like what I am hearing. Does broad strokes very well! Jazztone

14th August 2009, 06:29 AM	#47
Izzi Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 568	Hey Guys, Is anyone else getting a loud Click/Pop with the EQ when instantiating, uninstantiating, changing parameters, changing presets and closing (quitting) a session with the EQ plug-in being used in the session? I'm seeing this in PT, Logic and Peak Pro. Thanks very much! PowerMac G5 DualCore 2.3 (PPC) with 8GB of RAM, Tiger 10.4.11 Digidesign Digi 002 (Console), Pro Tools LE 7.4cs10 Logic Pro 7.2.3 Peak Pro 5.2.1

14th August 2009, 09:13 AM	#48
Mar Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Italy Posts: 77	Hi, I think this EQ is beautiful... the only think I wuold like to see is a more precise and visible spectrum analyzer! like the one in the apeq... anyway, I think I'll buy it.

14th August 2009, 12:18 PM	#49
fragletrollet Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 756	Love it. I just hate Fls manual delay compensation Would be nice with a non LP version with ^no^ delay... I love the harmonic distortion part, and hitting it hard sounds great! the ^Gentle Mastering^ preset blowed me away inserted on a bus with pads and synths... glued it together real nicely, and just made it fit

14th August 2009, 05:53 PM	#50
Izzi Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 568	Am I the only one?

15th August 2009, 12:53 AM	#52
Nowak Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 502	Yes I also got a very loud pop when changing parameters. VERY loud. I had to stop as I was scared I'd lose my monitors. :( Stef

15th August 2009, 02:52 AM	#53
Izzi Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 568	God Bless! I thought I was the only one! Which audio programs are you having this problem with?

15th August 2009, 03:11 AM	#54
Nowak Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 502	In Logic 9

15th August 2009, 03:30 AM	#55
Izzi Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 568	Thanks! Anyone seeing this in Pro Tools? Really unusable at this point!

15th August 2009, 11:19 AM	#56
fragletrollet Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 756	I had some problems with many instances, the project would load very slow, and then before fully loaded, there would come strange wobbly glitchy sounds for half a minute (!) and then the project would load and all is good. Weird tough

15th August 2009, 09:09 PM	#57
Emeth Gear interested Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: UK Posts: 3	Dear gear junkies, slutz, & whos Please try new vst beta build at 112dB redline eq forum. This is one fine eq that needs your feedback.I now use only glorious Reper v3.1 as my DAW consequently can only give feedback from that angle. Personally your feedback is important to me coz I've already paid for the thing and so wanna make sure it works.

7th September 2009, 02:09 PM	#60
Ermz Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 624	That's great. Thanks for listening to the userbase. I was only playing around with it, but I might have to give it a serious look now! __________________

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