Mellowmuse ATA Plugin fixes latency in PT Le

[devinocampo]

Still waiting on my authorization from Mellowmuse

[SKyflash34]

Same here. I bought mine late last night and I'm waiting. But I'm sure Gary has
his hands full getting everything ready for the site. He may also be tweaking
things a little more.

I went and bought the VST-RTAS adapter right away as well.

One note to anyone looking to buy the wrapper....you can only get it through
FXpansion via their website as download now.

All I need is a good microphone. My Project Mix is going to Black Lion in September
when that comes back, I'm Rockin it.

[SKyflash34]

Originally Posted by eboy

Hi

If you check the first video on the site, im using two aux busses you could use
as many as you like. The exception at the moment would be sending an insert on an aux to another aux as this adds another group of latency, i would need to add further
aux groups. I can do this if its requested enough.

best
Gary

Mellowmuse Software
Mellowmuse Software

You already have my vote on this one Gary

[barryjohns]

Well, it's got some bugs to iron out.

One bug is after you ping; hitting the space bar does not start play, really strange. Had to use the transport bar. Yes I made sure I was in Protools and had not selected another application and didn't know it.

Caused my Mpowered 7.4.2 system to crash a few times while make adjustments.

I had an issue with it pinging and not making any changes on one attempt.

I've had it going on a few other attempts and it has worked awesome.

Put all kinds of plugs that introduce latency, and it worked each time. You get really fast at bypassing the Aux, Selecting the Master Plug, Hit Ping, Engage the Aux's again and bam, everything is compensated for. Sounds like a lot, but it is really quick. Bam, Bam, Bam. Do this each time you make a change that affects the ADC.

This plug, once a few of the bugs are ironed out, will be the greatest plugin known to mankind on Protools. Any reservations about Protools LE and lack of ADC, just got flushed down the toilet.

It did not matter how much latency was being caused, it calculated and compensated for it. AMAZING.

Someone asked about CPU Hit. I created a song with 32 tracks, put it on all tracks and it hit about 16th of the CPU. Negligible.

This plug is plain exciting. He is charging way too little. This plug would be worth a couple hundred dollars to me. But that's me.

All you guys who are going to be sarcastic and say, we didn't have to pay anything for this in our DAW. Yes you did. Compare Protools Mpowered at 249.00 List to the price of all the others. You are paying for it.

If you Love Protools like I do, this plug has just changed your world. No need for Peeders video's with this thing.

[eboy]

Hi Barry,

One bug is after you ping; hitting the space bar does not start play, really strange. Had to use the transport bar.

I know about this, i'm trying to get some help from Angus at Fxpansion on this, it's not really a bug, more of a missing feature!, nothing to do with pinging, if any ATA is open and click on it won't release keyboard focus. In a VST host it works normally, for now just close the ATA after you ping and it won't bother you.

Caused my Mpowered 7.4.2 system to crash a few times while make adjustments.

If you can send me the full text of any crash reports it'll help no end. Again its very possibly due to small incompatibilities with the wrapper which i will iron out.

You maybe surprised (i was) to hear a Digidesign rep contacted me to tell me how much he looked forward to using the plug, i took the opportunity to ask about getting on the RTAS developers program, i'm currently waiting to hear. I will definately go RTAS with this is they will let me, as it very difficult to develop for a wrapper that when you dont have access to the source, very trial and error as to what will work.

He is charging way too little. This plug would be worth a couple hundred dollars to me. But that's me.

Thanks for saying so, i'll be honest, i really should at least charge what i am for my other plugs, as i'm now spending much more time on ATA than anything else. Do you think it would cause a stink if i raised it to $59 the same as my CP1A compressor plug-in?

The Windows version is done, but theres a couple of issues with the copy protection, thats delaying the release, fingers crossed it'll be later today.

Regarding getting id numbers, i have to do it manually at the moment, but it will be fully automated in a day or two, thanks for your patience.

best
Gary

Mellowmuse Software
Mellowmuse Software

[yarrick19]

Is it true that in order to activate this plugin you need to have internet access on the computer that runs the DAW?

I'm pretty particular about keeping my DAW computer "clean" and not getting online with it. Is there an alternative way to activate this plugin?

[SKyflash34]

Originally Posted by eboy

Hi Barry,

Thanks for saying so, i'll be honest, i really should at least charge what i am for my other plugs, as i'm now spending much more time on ATA than anything else. Do you think it would cause a stink if i raised it to $59 the same as my CP1A compressor plug-in?

Regarding getting id numbers, i have to do it manually at the moment, but it will be fully automated in a day or two, thanks for your patience.

best
Gary

Mellowmuse Software
Mellowmuse Software

Some other GS members here will probably want to shoot me for saying this but
I think if I were in your shoes Gary I would considering the time and effort you've
put into making this plugin the life saver that it's going to be for PT native users.
At $59 it would still be worth buying and I don't think you'll loose anyone's
interest at this point. The word is starting to spread now. Digi taking notice
sounds promising and I would certainly welcome an RTAS version. Just don't
let them buy you out and twist your magnificent creation into something more
crippled to protect their HD sales. If anything, it would help their sales of LE and
Mpowered systems I would think. HD users probably won't care I'm sure.

While I'm thinking of it, I'm interested in checking out your convolution reverb
plugin as I need something better to use in PT and can't afford Altiverb right now.

Thanks for getting back to us about the authorizations. I can wait and I'm sure
it'll be worth it.

[barryjohns]

Originally Posted by eboy

Thanks for saying so, i'll be honest, i really should at least charge what i am for my other plugs, as i'm now spending much more time on ATA than anything else. Do you think it would cause a stink if i raised it to $59 the same as my CP1A compressor plug-in?
Mellowmuse Software

Yes you can charge more. If I were you, I'd try to get a deal with Fxpansion. I did not own the wrapper plug prior this. If you can get a light version, like UAD does, you could easily charge more and keep the price down if you could bundle it. For those that don't own the wrapper, its 99.00 for the wrapper and then 29.00 for your plug. Not sure what percentage of LE users own the full version of FXpansion?

[soundrick]

Best thing EVER!!

THANK YOU, EBOY!!

[Aquarius]

Hello Gary,

What about the instrument tracks ? Should I use audio or aux ?

Thanks a lot for your work : that's truly AWESOME

Cheers,

A

PS : I agree with the above posts, you should definitively charge more !

[devinocampo]

OK... Some serious problems but I hope they can be resolved. After some initial testing the main issue is with the "Ping" method. This seems to work perfectly in a session where all faders are at unity. However if any fader is below around -11dB or a combination of faders combined are below a certain level then the ping does not get through every channel and the delay is not compensated for. Also, if a plug-in is inserted on a channel that reduces volume (particularly reverbs) then all subsequent channels will not receive "Ping" and therefore, not be compensated. In my testing I found this to be a large issue in normal session fader levels. My work around so far is to bypass reverbs and put all faders at unity while pinging, then undo the fader move so that all channels go to there original positions. This is more then likely a restriction of the "Ping" concept but a more elegant solution within the plug would be greatly appreciated. Also, I received multiple DAE errors while trying to remove ATA plugs or when trying to close a session with ATA plugs.
Gary... I second what a few have said already that I think you could charge more for this plug once the kinks are worked out. Please charge whatever makes it worth your while to continue fighting the good fight and making improvements on this awesome plug! All in all... Nice work!

[devinocampo]

Quick update... new temporary workaround is quite promising. I inserted a gain plug before the ATA on the master fader and cranked it 54 dB (the most i could with Sonalksis Free-G) and this seems to solve the "Ping" level problem. This gain is totally inaudible during the ping itself but then if you forget to turn it off and play the track you are in for a surprise. Anyway, I would think this would be easy to implement into the Plug-in itself and I'm looking forward to the update.

[el-folie]

@eboy/mellowmusic

Just some words about pricing the plug:

Of course 29$ or 59$ or 49$ like now (since this morning I guess) are not much for a plugin that all kinds of M-Powered and LE users had been waiting for. I think it is important to say that first. But - to me - as a Windows M-Powered user I feel a bit by-passed. Why? Well, the Mac users had the opportunity to get the ATA for some weeks or months now at the 29$ pricing. Still yesterday evening the Windows version of ATA was not up on the website for download. If it were I would have bought it instantly. So I looked for it this morning and *ping* the price is 49$ while demo download still was not available. So what I want to say is please give all those windows users the same opportunity as the Mac users had for some time now, not just *one* day instead of maybe at least 2 weeks or so?

I hope this is comprehensible as for some people money still is an issue and also it would just be *fair* to give MAC/PC users the same chance.

What do you think?

[geraldodarbilly]

Originally Posted by el-folie

@eboy/mellowmusic

Just some words about pricing the plug:

Of course 29$ or 59$ or 49$ like now (since this morning I guess) are not much for a plugin that all kinds of M-Powered and LE users had been waiting for. I think it is important to say that first. But - to me - as a Windows M-Powered user I feel a bit by-passed. Why? Well, the Mac users had the opportunity to get the ATA for some weeks or months now at the 29$ pricing. Still yesterday evening the Windows version of ATA was not up on the website for download. If it were I would have bought it instantly. So I looked for it this morning and *ping* the price is 49$ while demo download still was not available. So what I want to say is please give all those windows users the same opportunity as the Mac users had for some time now, not just *one* day instead of maybe at least 2 weeks or so?

I hope this is comprehensible as for some people money still is an issue and also it would just be *fair* to give MAC/PC users the same chance.

What do you think?

+1

[eboy]

Hi,

Thanks for the feedback from everyone:

devinocampo,
i'll add an adjustable gain for the ping level, that'll be done in a day or two, it was on my list of features to add anyway.

Regarding, any crashes please try and email the full crash report to me, and i'll give it priority.

el-folie
Let me see what i can do, like an introductory price for the windows version?

Aquarius
Some instrument plugs dont pass audio, so best to put the instrument in slot1
ATA audio slot 2 then fx etc in 3,4,5. If they do pass audio then as per audio tracks.

yarrick19
I will produce an offline way of doing the authorise, its not the first time its come,
up.

If anyone has any more specific requests or bug reports it might be more appropriate to use our forum at mellowmuse.com rather than gearslutz.

best
Gary

Mellowmuse Software
Mellowmuse Software

[jeronimo]

GREAT!!!!!!
Now I might even think about going PT LE again....

[el-folie]

@eboy:

That would exactly be what I was thinking of. An "introductory price" for the windows users similar or equal to the former price of 29$ for mac users.

Thanks for considering this!

[devinocampo]

Thanks a lot Gary for the quick responses. I'm so excited about this plug it's ridiculous! I'll be looking for the update and continue to give you feedback on the mellowmuse forum. Keep up the good work! Please, everyone just pay this man whatever he decides to charge so that he can continue to work on this stuff. I'm going to check out these other plugs as well.

[guitardom]

just purchased the windows version!!!! cant wait to give it a shot. will try to report in later.

have not recieved a reply yet for the authorization process so not sure what to expect. hopefully it is offline though. my recording rig has never and will never visit the world wide web!!

thanks for finally coming out with such a long overdue plug! hope you do well from it!! and an rtas version will be greatly loved!

[geraldodarbilly]

Just got my windows version!
Waiting for the authorization too...
Thanks!

[Aquarius]

Dear Gary,

When you say "Some instrument plugs dont pass audio, so best to put the instrument in slot1" I'm confused...
I thought VI were always passing audio, like softsynths, NI stuff,...
Could you elaborate please ?

Cheers,

A

[geraldodarbilly]

wow! the authorization is in my mail already!
thanks a lot!!!

[digi882]

YEAH!!!!!!!!! works well for LE ok im on my knees begging now, can you write a solution that would work for mixcore users PLEASE ok at the very minimum i might be ok with typing the values in but if you can sort a mix version bearing in mind no aux or master fader can take rtas you might be able to write it in htdm.

This will sell hot cakes for you mate i tell you post this in the digi user conf.

can i buy shares btw

I think it is priced well actually dont price you self out as digi would probably introduce adc in le now that you have this better to maximize interest now and then you will get a very loyal following. yes ill be buying mac and windows version but if you get a version for mix core users we ill be laughing our heads of.

[digi882]

ok one thing i wish you did was allow a non audio burst demo for 7 days as i have bought it now but have to wait until i get the authorization, is this in the physical post or email?

where can i get the v1.0 so i can try that for mixcore

[el-folie]

Jippieh - just bought it! And am awaiting the authorization file now.

And thanks so much for the windows introductory price!!! I think over at the DUC a storm is coming up if it´s not already going...

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What a joke - no???

[grevan]

WOW!!!! Just got it, this makes my year!!!

[guitardom]

Jippieh - just bought it! And am awaiting the authorization file now.

And thanks so much for the windows introductory price!!! I think over at the DUC a storm is coming up if it´s not already going...

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What a joke - no???

they just redid their website last week, so not surprised they are doing this as well. they have been this way for a few days, like thursday or something. not expecting anything special when it comes back. just assuming maitnenance. i am sure i am not the only one awaiting to post about this. got my authorization and will be digging in it tonight!!!!!!!!!!

[Bryan Appel]

Hi everyone, this is my first post on this forum.

Gary, thank you so much for creating this plug. I bought it today and got my authorization code a little while later. This is going to speed up my work-flow tremendously; and as we all know, an efficient work-flow is essential for creativity.

Also, thanks for lowering the price back down for us windows users. I agree with the others that this is worth more than $29, but I am glad there is a price break for early adopters.

One bug that I've noticed is that when you re-open a session the Time Adjuster plugs forget their delay settings. (This also happens if you disable all the Time Adjuster plugs and then re-enable them.) Has anyone else noticed this? The work-around of course is to re-ping, but it would be nice if the delays were saved with the session.

I've also noticed that sometimes when I ping, the ping does not show up on all the tracks, and so latency is not compensated correctly. I have no idea what causes this. I'll keep messing around to hopefully figure that out.

BTW, I'm running PT LE 7.4cs5 on Windows XP; AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+; 3 gigs RAM

One question: what do the numbers on the plugin display mean? I know it has something to do with the delay, but what do the various numbers mean? There's L, D, G, and R. I'm confused....

Again, thanks Gary! I've been waiting a long time for someting like this!

Bryan

[barryjohns]

How many LE systems are out there? 100,000 maybe. I don't know.

I think you should have made some deals before releasing this plugin. You are going to shake the Protools World up here and spark a lot of clones.

I cannot see anyone owning LE not buying this. Also, you need to contact FXpansion and get a cut of the copies of their plug they sell just so people can run yours. This is why you need a bundled wrapper with your plug that is propriatary, like UAD did.

They are going to get rich off this as well, just due to needing fXpansion to run your plug. Heck at this point, they are going to get richer than you and that's not right. You should get a piece of their pie as well.

100,000 x 29.00 = that's 2.9 million dollars if my numbers are anywhere near right.

I sure hope you get the value of this plug. I will offer you 50,000 right now for the rights to this plug. Well, I don't have 50k, but if I did!!!!!

Capitalize on this quick; everyone is going to copy this plug very quickly.

Copyright if you can........