Logic 8 Ping Plug In NOW!!!

Mr.HOLMES · 4th July 2008, 11:34 PM

To everybody who was struggling with logic and outbaord and was frustrated to measure the latency all the time.....

Time off frustration is over here is a PING PLUG IN for 29 EUROS!!!!!!

https://www.artificialaudio.com/menu/plugins

peeder · 4th July 2008, 11:47 PM

Looks like a clumsy design...three plugins, and one is used as the input according to the manual. They could at least have made it just two plugins, and automatically set the compensation figure...clueless. And they have the ability to just lie to Logic's compensator making their life very easy.

The DAW vendors ought to have this built-in...I'd predict that automagic universal delay compensation will be the point of competition with DAWs for the next couple years. The idiocy has reached untenable levels...

Mr.HOLMES · 5th July 2008, 12:14 AM

Hi Peeder.

Are you a fellow German like me?
Germans always first talking bad things about good ideas a very negative NATION............

It works and this counts for me.
I have no trouble with outboard anymore it autmaticly is doing a new measurement when I start logic again.

For some reason I always had trouble measuring it by hand.

What you do you see first the bad things like a bad design.
I do not need a nice design because this Plug In just has to work....compensate the latency of my AD DA round trip with outboard.

I do not care if it is one or 3 plugs.
Apple was not able to do it for years and there comes a little rattle shop and just is doing the thing....

I can not see a single bad thing in this....

cl516 · 5th July 2008, 04:13 AM

hey mr.holmes
i checked out that plugin's website, but i don't really understand what's going on.

Say i send out an audio file through ad/da into outboard, and record it back into logic,
How /what does this plugin do?

can it check out my 2 files and tell me how much latency is going on?

author · 5th July 2008, 09:52 AM

I saw it yesterday and wondered if it was any good. So, thank you for the

Mr.HOLMES · 5th July 2008, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cl516

hey mr.holmes
i checked out that plugin's website, but i don't really understand what's going on.

Say i send out an audio file through ad/da into outboard, and record it back into logic,
How /what does this plugin do?

can it check out my 2 files and tell me how much latency is going on?

Yes right this plug in measures the physically latency of your AD DA.
You also can do this manually but me myself I always get in trouble with the manually measurement of the round trip.

So this plug is just an great Idea maybe the programmer has to do it at least in two separate windows.

But the technical idea behind it is easy and I am wondering that Logic 8 is not having the PING THING on board.....

Apple with every sold licence you see you have thrown away 30 Euro.......

By the way you can write the developer regarding the topic of improvement.
I guess the more people buy it the more the price will go down looks not for me real commercial interest...

Andreas

audiomichael · 7th July 2008, 01:56 AM

Has anyone had any success in purchasing this? I tried and it gave me a strange error. I'm sure there's someone out there draining my credit card as we speak.

Mr.HOLMES · 7th July 2008, 02:21 AM

It is working great at my place.
Write this Guy an E-mail he is wonderful and is going to help you with your probs....

audiomichael · 7th July 2008, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.HOLMES

It is working great at my place.
Write this Guy an E-mail he is wonderful and is going to help you with your probs....

Thanks Mr. I just sent an email. I'm glad someone's got it working. I'm not worried now.

FreeDanny · 7th July 2008, 03:39 AM

nice plug, does it works at 96Khz?

.

eskatonic · 7th July 2008, 05:05 AM

This looks really a great idea - I am going to check this out tonight. Not sure why peeder is being a peter about it.

peeder · 7th July 2008, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eskatonic

This looks really a great idea - I am going to check this out tonight. Not sure why peeder is being a peter about it.

A complaint is a gift.

audiomichael · 7th July 2008, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audiomichael

Thanks Mr. I just sent an email. I'm glad someone's got it working. I'm not worried now.

They already responded an linked me to the plug / authorizers.

I just ran a submix of my drums out to Distressors and it was dead on sample accurate! YAY, Parallel compression lives!!!

NOW...Apple...Get off your white-super-high-gloss-plastic-sheeny arses and integrate this automatically into your "PRO" application!!!

Mr.HOLMES · 7th July 2008, 08:08 PM

Great that it is working at your place too.
To avoid confusion I would advise you to record it back in the DAW and use this track and switch off the IO connection.

It seems that if you have a lot of tracks the IO thing is calling for trouble.

yarrick19 · 8th July 2008, 12:49 AM

I've been waiting for ages for something to develop a "ping" type plugin for Pro Tools LE for ages...

Maybe this will prompt some developers to investigate.

audiomichael · 8th July 2008, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.HOLMES

Great that it is working at your place too.
To avoid confusion I would advise you to record it back in the DAW and use this track and switch off the IO connection.

It seems that if you have a lot of tracks the IO thing is calling for trouble.

Exactly what I was thinking.

peeder · 8th July 2008, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yarrick19

I've been waiting for ages for something to develop a "ping" type plugin for Pro Tools LE for ages...

Maybe this will prompt some developers to investigate.

Already underway... (no I have no financial interest in any of these efforts)

Mr.HOLMES · 8th July 2008, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yarrick19

I've been waiting for ages for something to develop a "ping" type plugin for Pro Tools LE for ages...

Maybe this will prompt some developers to investigate.

You know that you can measure it without a ping plug in?
I only bought it because my measurements where very different from each other and I wanted to verfy....

narco · 9th July 2008, 06:51 PM

I was really interested in this

but three plugins?

surely this could all be done in one?

narco

Mr.HOLMES · 9th July 2008, 07:04 PM

No it cant be done in one and it is not three.
Before moaning THINK.... the programmer is not working at apple so he is not having the source code this is a 3rd party plug in.

waht a shitty argument it is working and a lot of people have been waiting a log time for this......now someone did it and you are moaning that its done in three parts..... it has to be at least two ping generators one which goes throurgh the daw internal and one which goes throurgh the AD DA and one Plug which is doing the measurement between the two PINGS.

But first MOAN............

andychamp · 9th July 2008, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.HOLMES

(...)the programmer is not working at apple so he is not having the source code this is a 3rd party plug in(...)

I don't think the people at Steinberg/Yamaha have a more privileged access to source code than anyone. Yet they (3rd-party designers themselves) managed to implement a function that they recognised a demand for, something the folks at Apple/Logic somehow missed.
I also think that the software's using so many plugin slots might add to the latency it's supposed to measure. (Could someone verify/falsify this empirically?)
It's cool that someone thought of it, and as a workaround, it's certainly useful; but an effective solution should probably be integrated on a deeper program level. I guess that's what Peeder meant by "clumsy".

narco · 9th July 2008, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.HOLMES

waht a shitty argument it is working and a lot of people have been waiting a log time for this......now someone did it and you are moaning that its done in three parts..... it has to be at least two ping generators one which goes throurgh the daw internal and one which goes throurgh the AD DA and one Plug which is doing the measurement between the two PINGS.

why this can't all happen in one plug?

make a ping, route it through an external loop, measure how long it took, compensate latency on the same plugin.

narco

theblotted · 9th July 2008, 11:24 PM

does this plug measure samples down to .001?

how's this plug better than say, latency fixer by expert sleepers?

**DrDeltaM** · 9th July 2008, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theblotted

does this plug measure samples down to .001?

A host can only compensate a whole number of samples. The only way to do more accurate latency compensation is by using higher sample rate.

**DrDeltaM** · 9th July 2008, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by narco

why this can't all happen in one plug?

make a ping, route it through an external loop, measure how long it took, compensate latency on the same plugin.

narco

Getting access to the actual I/O from within a plugin isn't possible within the AU standard...

peeder · 10th July 2008, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrDeltaM

A host can only compensate a whole number of samples. The only way to do more accurate latency compensation is by using higher sample rate.

You could have a reconstructing filter and time-shift things to subsample amounts that way. An Eventide plugin does this I believe. It will have more sonic impact however.

Quote:

Originally Posted by theblotted

how's this plug better than say, latency fixer by expert sleepers?

Of course it tests the latency amount empirically for you by sending pings. Sleepers' just is the third plugin in this set: input a latency and it will lie to the automatic compensator on your behalf.

**DrDeltaM** · 10th July 2008, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peeder

You could have a reconstructing filter and time-shift things to subsample amounts that way. An Eventide plugin does this I believe. It will have more sonic impact however.

Basically it comes down to the same as using a higher samplerate:
upsample inside the latency compensator plugin, delay it an amount smaller then a 'session-sample', resample down to session-samplefreq. Possible, but not ideal to do good indeed...

sonicdefault · 10th July 2008, 01:18 PM

Anyone using this successfully on a Mac Pro with Logic?

-SD

peeder · 10th July 2008, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrDeltaM

Basically it comes down to the same as using a higher samplerate:
upsample inside the latency compensator plugin, delay it an amount smaller then a 'session-sample', resample down to session-samplefreq. Possible, but not ideal to do good indeed...

Not really the same, when you consider that running an entire session at a higher sample rate will do to your resources (and e.g. interfacing with digital outboard) vs. just having one plugin do the upsampling and shift. The plugin can also go way higher than most of today's systems.

**DrDeltaM** · 10th July 2008, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peeder

Not really the same, when you consider that running an entire session at a higher sample rate will do to your resources (and e.g. interfacing with digital outboard) vs. just having one plugin do the upsampling and shift. The plugin can also go way higher than most of today's systems.

I meant it's basically the same idea, the same thinking behind it

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4th July 2008, 11:34 PM	#1
Mr.HOLMES Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 979	Logic 8 Ping Plug In NOW!!! To everybody who was struggling with logic and outbaord and was frustrated to measure the latency all the time..... Time off frustration is over here is a PING PLUG IN for 29 EUROS!!!!!! https://www.artificialaudio.com/menu/plugins __________________ http://www.mixingroomberlin.de/ *Das kleinste Tonstudio Berlins* Songwriter´s WELCOME!!! "...THE HIT IS IN THE TRACKING ROOM..." G.Martin

5th July 2008, 12:14 AM	#3
Mr.HOLMES Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 979	Hi Peeder. Are you a fellow German like me? Germans always first talking bad things about good ideas a very negative NATION............ It works and this counts for me. I have no trouble with outboard anymore it autmaticly is doing a new measurement when I start logic again. For some reason I always had trouble measuring it by hand. What you do you see first the bad things like a bad design. I do not need a nice design because this Plug In just has to work....compensate the latency of my AD DA round trip with outboard. I do not care if it is one or 3 plugs. Apple was not able to do it for years and there comes a little rattle shop and just is doing the thing.... I can not see a single bad thing in this.... __________________ http://www.mixingroomberlin.de/ *Das kleinste Tonstudio Berlins* Songwriter´s WELCOME!!! "...THE HIT IS IN THE TRACKING ROOM..." G.Martin

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7th July 2008, 02:21 AM	#8
Mr.HOLMES Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 979	It is working great at my place. Write this Guy an E-mail he is wonderful and is going to help you with your probs.... __________________ http://www.mixingroomberlin.de/ *Das kleinste Tonstudio Berlins* Songwriter´s WELCOME!!! "...THE HIT IS IN THE TRACKING ROOM..." G.Martin

4th July 2008, 11:47 PM	#2
peeder Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,656	Looks like a clumsy design...three plugins, and one is used as the input according to the manual. They could at least have made it just two plugins, and automatically set the compensation figure...clueless. And they have the ability to just lie to Logic's compensator making their life very easy. The DAW vendors ought to have this built-in...I'd predict that automagic universal delay compensation will be the point of competition with DAWs for the next couple years. The idiocy has reached untenable levels...

5th July 2008, 04:13 AM	#4
cl516 Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 784	hey mr.holmes i checked out that plugin's website, but i don't really understand what's going on. Say i send out an audio file through ad/da into outboard, and record it back into logic, How /what does this plugin do? can it check out my 2 files and tell me how much latency is going on?

5th July 2008, 09:52 AM	#5
author Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 204	I saw it yesterday and wondered if it was any good. So, thank you for the

7th July 2008, 03:39 AM	#10
FreeDanny Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Milano, Italy Posts: 158	nice plug, does it works at 96Khz? . __________________ "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." (John 3:16) "Sing to Him a new song; Play skillfully with a shout of joy." (Psalm 33:3) Danny

7th July 2008, 05:05 AM	#11
eskatonic Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 67	This looks really a great idea - I am going to check this out tonight. Not sure why peeder is being a peter about it.

7th July 2008, 08:08 PM	#14
Mr.HOLMES Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 979	Great that it is working at your place too. To avoid confusion I would advise you to record it back in the DAW and use this track and switch off the IO connection. It seems that if you have a lot of tracks the IO thing is calling for trouble. __________________ http://www.mixingroomberlin.de/ *Das kleinste Tonstudio Berlins* Songwriter´s WELCOME!!! "...THE HIT IS IN THE TRACKING ROOM..." G.Martin

8th July 2008, 12:49 AM	#15
yarrick19 Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: North Idaho Posts: 185	I've been waiting for ages for something to develop a "ping" type plugin for Pro Tools LE for ages... Maybe this will prompt some developers to investigate.

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9th July 2008, 07:04 PM	#20
Mr.HOLMES Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 979	No it cant be done in one and it is not three. Before moaning THINK.... the programmer is not working at apple so he is not having the source code this is a 3rd party plug in. waht a shitty argument it is working and a lot of people have been waiting a log time for this......now someone did it and you are moaning that its done in three parts..... it has to be at least two ping generators one which goes throurgh the daw internal and one which goes throurgh the AD DA and one Plug which is doing the measurement between the two PINGS. But first MOAN............ __________________ http://www.mixingroomberlin.de/ *Das kleinste Tonstudio Berlins* Songwriter´s WELCOME!!! "...THE HIT IS IN THE TRACKING ROOM..." G.Martin

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