SmartAV Tango DAW Controller

antonbuys · 2nd June 2008, 01:07 PM

Coming soon...

SmartAV - Tango

Pindebraende · 3rd June 2008, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antonbuys

Coming soon...

SmartAV - Tango

Look interesting, I think!

Lets hope it comes at the right price.

Mikkel

TRW · 3rd June 2008, 07:39 PM

Looks almost laptop like with faders and encoders.

I really hope this is cool, affordable and working. Seems there are issues with the Euphonix devices, big or small.

I like the SmartAV console, chair mode is cool etc. I hope they have removed the silkscreened frequencies from the EQ knobs on this... hardly the best way to integrate with many diff. EQ plugs.

Fingers crossed...
-T

TRW · 4th June 2008, 02:30 AM

Found a slightly better picture...

Large TFT, assignable encoders and the usual fader surface by the looks of it. Doesn't look cheap!

-T

TRW · 4th June 2008, 02:59 AM

Tried enlarging it in PS:

dylansmale · 4th June 2008, 03:12 AM

it says in their pdf file that all their controllers are accessible with Logic 6 and a few other programs I've never heard of, doesn't even include PT.

What looks amazing here, is the Smart Console, other than its features (a few which are weird, like waving your hand over something which lets you program a different set of faders). It also includes EQ for each fader (I'm not sure how this works since its digital, right?!), surround panning knobs, and it looks like it is meant to be used with its own software that it includes and the LCD screen that comes with it.

It looks really ****ing cool, nicest consol I've ever seen, period, but I just don't know how accessible it is for the market which uses different DAW programs (which is a huge problem here) and how necessary a lot of these features are for many of us.

emkay · 4th June 2008, 05:41 AM

This company has the tackiest design aesthetic I have ever seen! To go from what I think are the Pontiac Aztecs of audio industrial design with their over the top tasteless controllers to this proposed under whelming pedestrian control surface. is atleast a testimonial to their success of running the gamut from horrible to lackluster! Well I guess if you raise any flag sooner or later someone is going to salute it!

peace.

dylansmale · 4th June 2008, 07:29 AM

I understand its a tacky design and some of the buttons are funny huge, but I would rather have something in the shape of this than not. its like comparing old volvos and new cheap sportcars? I don't know, but I think it looks damn futuristic

TheSweetener · 4th June 2008, 07:49 AM

Doesn't the SmartAV have a MC or HUI mode?

musikwerks · 4th June 2008, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emkay

This company has the tackiest design aesthetic I have ever seen! To go from what I think are the Pontiac Aztecs of audio industrial design with their over the top tasteless controllers to this proposed under whelming pedestrian control surface. is atleast a testimonial to their success of running the gamut from horrible to lackluster! Well I guess if you raise any flag sooner or later someone is going to salute it!

Before you criticise it, maybe you should do some research as to why it looks the way it does. Find out why Stav (the designer) did things the way he did and then if you still think it sucks, fine. If you were working all day hunched over a console you would most likely buy him a beer for the time he put into making an operator's life a bit easier.

Better to be informed before you go shooting your mouth off.

Stiff · 4th June 2008, 01:25 PM

I've only heard about people using their consoles with Logic... but I'm still interested, not least because the name

emkay · 4th June 2008, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musikwerks

Before you criticise it, maybe you should do some research as to why it looks the way it does. Find out why Stav (the designer) did things the way he did and then if you still think it sucks, fine. If you were working all day hunched over a console you would most likely buy him a beer for the time he put into making an operator's life a bit easier.

Better to be informed before you go shooting your mouth off.

Is your opinion concerning my opinion only an opinion or are you just shooting your mouth off?

musikwerks · 5th June 2008, 01:27 AM

No, it's based on your previous statement, which is the reason I quoted it. I would haver thought that was obvious, but clearly not.

Again, go and find out why Stav designed the console the way he did and if you still think it's rubbish, fine.

coder · 5th June 2008, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emkay

This company has the tackiest design aesthetic I have ever seen! To go from what I think are the Pontiac Aztecs of audio industrial design with their over the top tasteless controllers to this proposed under whelming pedestrian control surface. is atleast a testimonial to their success of running the gamut from horrible to lackluster! Well I guess if you raise any flag sooner or later someone is going to salute it!

peace.

maybe this helps?

YouTube - Stav's Smart Console

**Geert van den Berg** · 5th June 2008, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRW

Found a slightly better picture...

Large TFT, assignable encoders and the usual fader surface by the looks of it. Doesn't look cheap!

-T

It looks like I am going to like it, now if they can send me a demo...

antonbuys · 6th June 2008, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geert van den Berg

It looks like I am going to like it, now if they can send me a demo...

PM me, I'll give you the contact details for the right guy to talk to.

Anton

TRW · 17th June 2008, 12:58 AM

So website said 15th June, and it's come and gone...

what's the crack SmartAV?

mikesilence · 18th June 2008, 02:32 PM

There's a video available now...

http://www.smartav.net/downloads/Tan...tango_high.MOV

SonicGravity · 18th June 2008, 03:58 PM

I really, really do like what I see here!

This is what I wanted the Euphonix Artist Series to be (if the price is way below the MC Pro though).

Now I'm waiting for features and price...

TRW · 19th June 2008, 12:27 AM

What a silly little video... just put some pricing and a feature set up and be done with it....

Seems like a waste of marketing budget to me but then I'm a bastard.

It may be cool, wonder how everything maps out onto that TFT.

-T

TRW · 19th June 2008, 12:37 AM

Paraphrasing from a German beta-tester I found on another forum:

Tango connects direct to the audio engines and has been tested with Nuendo and Logic.

The TFT is 22" and a touchscreen and allows for even fat fingered persons to control easily.

Typical 8 faders with solo and mute, plus switchable AFL, PFL and SIP if software supports. Also facility to control input gain as found in Nuendo mixer.

Inject mode allows any channel to brought up onto the controller.

At the top of the TFT there is an ARC like display that allows users to swipe to bring channels up onto the controller, just like the large SmartAV surfaces... this is called MonARC.

It appears to have chair mode. Once the surface selects channels, all track parameters are instantly displayed on the TFT for editing.

I believe the hold function is there, so you can lock channels onto the surface, dead useful while using swipe mode on the ARC.

It seems the TFT displays all built-in Nuendo features like channel EQ and DYN, sends plus Inserts and enables quick on/off switching as well as detailed graphical editing. The buttons/encoders for these are located on the side of the TFT.

I'm sure it contains standard transport controls...

Channels can all be edited and also named apparently via a softscreen virtual QWERTY keyboard...

That would be very cool if true as you might be able to ditch a keyboard and use the Tango and a mouse...

Thats about all I could make out...

-T

trancekid · 19th June 2008, 01:39 AM

only for right-handed, doh !

eskatonic · 19th June 2008, 01:51 AM

Pretty sweet. I hope they offer fader expansion boards too. 8 faders ain't enough.

TheSweetener · 19th June 2008, 08:42 AM

Sounds very nice!
I'm afraid it will be very expensive. The world's still waiting for something between 1K (Mackie Control) and 13K (WK Audio)

**Lindell** · 19th June 2008, 09:46 AM

Is that really a 22" monitor?

antonbuys · 19th June 2008, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eskatonic

Pretty sweet. I hope they offer fader expansion boards too. 8 faders ain't enough.

Most likely, they have something in the pipeline...

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSweetener

Sounds very nice!
I'm afraid it will be very expensive. The world's still waiting for something between 1K (Mackie Control) and 13K (WK Audio)

Will be very close to the middle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lindell

Is that really a 22" monitor?

Yes, it is.

mikesilence · 19th June 2008, 10:45 AM

around 4800 Euro plus tax (19%)... so around 8800US$

TRW · 19th June 2008, 11:43 AM

And the plot thickens... can this be THE controller...

free from issues and priced right... somehow I'm sceptical.

£4k is a lot of dough... I think £3k is a good price point.

-T

iMAD · 19th June 2008, 01:43 PM

It doesn't look like 22" screen to me

TRW · 19th June 2008, 01:45 PM

The fader caps are the size of coke cans... lol

I did wonder... 17" maybe?

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2nd June 2008, 01:07 PM	#1
antonbuys Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Taiwan Posts: 171	SmartAV Tango DAW Controller Coming soon... SmartAV - Tango __________________ www.melissabuys.com Sound for Picture

4th June 2008, 02:59 AM	#5
TRW Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK Posts: 821	Tried enlarging it in PS: Attached Thumbnails

4th June 2008, 05:41 AM	#7
emkay Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: El-Lay Posts: 1,234	This company has the tackiest design aesthetic I have ever seen! To go from what I think are the Pontiac Aztecs of audio industrial design with their over the top tasteless controllers to this proposed under whelming pedestrian control surface. is atleast a testimonial to their success of running the gamut from horrible to lackluster! Well I guess if you raise any flag sooner or later someone is going to salute it! peace. __________________ "first guy to the bridge gets the solo" ____________________________ "'I'm having a bad feeling about my intuition" www.poodiemusic.com

4th June 2008, 01:25 PM	#11
Stiff Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,862	I've only heard about people using their consoles with Logic... but I'm still interested, not least because the name __________________ Daily news & reviews ProToolerBlog.com \| German Edition

3rd June 2008, 07:39 PM	#3
TRW Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK Posts: 821	Looks almost laptop like with faders and encoders. I really hope this is cool, affordable and working. Seems there are issues with the Euphonix devices, big or small. I like the SmartAV console, chair mode is cool etc. I hope they have removed the silkscreened frequencies from the EQ knobs on this... hardly the best way to integrate with many diff. EQ plugs. Fingers crossed... -T

4th June 2008, 02:30 AM	#4
TRW Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK Posts: 821	Found a slightly better picture... Large TFT, assignable encoders and the usual fader surface by the looks of it. Doesn't look cheap! -T

4th June 2008, 03:12 AM	#6
dylansmale 3 + infractions, forum membership suspened pending review. Please contact GS admin Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 2,400	it says in their pdf file that all their controllers are accessible with Logic 6 and a few other programs I've never heard of, doesn't even include PT. What looks amazing here, is the Smart Console, other than its features (a few which are weird, like waving your hand over something which lets you program a different set of faders). It also includes EQ for each fader (I'm not sure how this works since its digital, right?!), surround panning knobs, and it looks like it is meant to be used with its own software that it includes and the LCD screen that comes with it. It looks really ****ing cool, nicest consol I've ever seen, period, but I just don't know how accessible it is for the market which uses different DAW programs (which is a huge problem here) and how necessary a lot of these features are for many of us.

4th June 2008, 07:29 AM	#8
dylansmale 3 + infractions, forum membership suspened pending review. Please contact GS admin Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 2,400	I understand its a tacky design and some of the buttons are funny huge, but I would rather have something in the shape of this than not. its like comparing old volvos and new cheap sportcars? I don't know, but I think it looks damn futuristic

4th June 2008, 07:49 AM	#9
TheSweetener Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany / Frankfurt Posts: 1,054	Doesn't the SmartAV have a MC or HUI mode?

5th June 2008, 01:27 AM	#13
musikwerks Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 589	No, it's based on your previous statement, which is the reason I quoted it. I would haver thought that was obvious, but clearly not. Again, go and find out why Stav designed the console the way he did and if you still think it's rubbish, fine.

17th June 2008, 12:58 AM	#17
TRW Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK Posts: 821	So website said 15th June, and it's come and gone... what's the crack SmartAV?

18th June 2008, 02:32 PM	#18
mikesilence Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Between Cologne and Dusseldorf Posts: 291	There's a video available now... http://www.smartav.net/downloads/Tan...tango_high.MOV __________________ --------------------------- Silent Beat Productions www.silentbeat.de www.mikesilence.de www.myspace.com/silentbeatproductions

18th June 2008, 03:58 PM	#19
SonicGravity Gear interested Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: South Germany Posts: 20	I really, really do like what I see here! This is what I wanted the Euphonix Artist Series to be (if the price is way below the MC Pro though). Now I'm waiting for features and price...

19th June 2008, 12:27 AM	#20
TRW Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK Posts: 821	What a silly little video... just put some pricing and a feature set up and be done with it.... Seems like a waste of marketing budget to me but then I'm a bastard. It may be cool, wonder how everything maps out onto that TFT. -T

19th June 2008, 12:37 AM	#21
TRW Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK Posts: 821	Paraphrasing from a German beta-tester I found on another forum: Tango connects direct to the audio engines and has been tested with Nuendo and Logic. The TFT is 22" and a touchscreen and allows for even fat fingered persons to control easily. Typical 8 faders with solo and mute, plus switchable AFL, PFL and SIP if software supports. Also facility to control input gain as found in Nuendo mixer. Inject mode allows any channel to brought up onto the controller. At the top of the TFT there is an ARC like display that allows users to swipe to bring channels up onto the controller, just like the large SmartAV surfaces... this is called MonARC. It appears to have chair mode. Once the surface selects channels, all track parameters are instantly displayed on the TFT for editing. I believe the hold function is there, so you can lock channels onto the surface, dead useful while using swipe mode on the ARC. It seems the TFT displays all built-in Nuendo features like channel EQ and DYN, sends plus Inserts and enables quick on/off switching as well as detailed graphical editing. The buttons/encoders for these are located on the side of the TFT. I'm sure it contains standard transport controls... Channels can all be edited and also named apparently via a softscreen virtual QWERTY keyboard... That would be very cool if true as you might be able to ditch a keyboard and use the Tango and a mouse... Thats about all I could make out... -T

19th June 2008, 01:39 AM	#22
trancekid Gear nut Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 103	only for right-handed, doh !

19th June 2008, 01:51 AM	#23
eskatonic Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 160	Pretty sweet. I hope they offer fader expansion boards too. 8 faders ain't enough.

19th June 2008, 08:42 AM	#24
TheSweetener Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany / Frankfurt Posts: 1,054	Sounds very nice! I'm afraid it will be very expensive. The world's still waiting for something between 1K (Mackie Control) and 13K (WK Audio)

19th June 2008, 09:46 AM	#25
Lindell Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,786	Is that really a 22" monitor? __________________ Tobias Lindell Bohus Sound Studios Myspace Lindell

19th June 2008, 10:45 AM	#27
mikesilence Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Between Cologne and Dusseldorf Posts: 291	around 4800 Euro plus tax (19%)... so around 8800US$ __________________ --------------------------- Silent Beat Productions www.silentbeat.de www.mikesilence.de www.myspace.com/silentbeatproductions

19th June 2008, 11:43 AM	#28
TRW Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK Posts: 821	And the plot thickens... can this be THE controller... free from issues and priced right... somehow I'm sceptical. £4k is a lot of dough... I think £3k is a good price point. -T

19th June 2008, 01:43 PM	#29
iMAD Gear Head Join Date: May 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 42	It doesn't look like 22" screen to me

19th June 2008, 01:45 PM	#30
TRW Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK Posts: 821	The fader caps are the size of coke cans... lol I did wonder... 17" maybe?

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