Anyone get their little Euphonix yet? - Page 4

jdunn · 26th February 2008, 01:22 AM

I guess the new paradigm is that things don't get fully beta tested until they sell a bunch of them. What a drag it is to pay to be a beta tester.

Yet at the same time, when a product like this is announced, everybody is like "When are they going to release it, hurry up", etc...

This has got to be the worst thing about digital, or new gear in general.

rashadrm@hotmai · 26th February 2008, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stealthmode

I think it's really cool to have a control surface that's "driven" by software! This means bugs and feature requests get implemented relatively quickly.

For example: Euphonix told me there's going to be a release this week 1.0.2 is going to include banking beyond 32 tracks for HUI and Mackie Control apps. I don't think the automation toggle thing for HUI is going in yet, but I've been talking to tech support about that as well, and they said it's a known feature request that'll go in soon. I also sent a message about the devices dropping offline. Again, known bug, addressed in a future release. I sent my request to the online support form and got a quick response. My next one went to artist@euphonix.com and got responded to over the weekend!

I've noticed that the plug ins knobsets in HUI are a bit tricky to navigate. If you go into inserts, you have to back out, then go back in again.

In Eucon apps like Logic, SEL key switches freq to Q and ON key toggles EQ bands, binary switch parameters or even plugins on and off.

I just found out you can edit instrument parameters in Pro Tools! Load an instrument plug in in the first 8 channels of a project, it shows up in the inserts knobset! fun fun fun.

So it sounds like you probably work for euphonix, if so the unit is cool, but the eucon software sucks right now, I have seen it in operation on three different systems so far and it completely slows down the entire system. if you guys can concentrate on that aspect and make the software application independant instead of always running in the background, that may help. You should also push back the release of the mc control a couple more months until you work out the bugs in the software, I'm sure it will be worth the wait. I really like the unit though and i can see where this can go but right now it was a big mistake releasing this thing before it was ready. The software is a huge disappointment from a company with a good reputation until now.

arimaka · 26th February 2008, 03:13 AM

Man!!! Going back to the Mackie's is no option for me; they are long gone!!!

I was able to install the new software... It took uninstalling the old software and restarting my mac with the MC off... This was after a good 20 mins of wasting my time.

Hope 1.0.2 is better and out quick... I plan on getting the MC Control, but I want these units to be snappy like the MC Pro!!!

I do have to say that I did a mix revision today and I love how you can navigate through the session and plugs. The hardware and concept is way better than the Mackie's which I used over 3 years!!!

Come on Euphonix!!! Throw us a bone!!!

stealthmode · 26th February 2008, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rashadrm@hotmai

So it sounds like you probably work for euphonix, if so the unit is cool, but the eucon software sucks right now, I have seen it in operation on three different systems so far and it completely slows down the entire system. if you guys can concentrate on that aspect and make the software application independant instead of always running in the background, that may help. You should also push back the release of the mc control a couple more months until you work out the bugs in the software, I'm sure it will be worth the wait. I really like the unit though and i can see where this can go but right now it was a big mistake releasing this thing before it was ready. The software is a huge disappointment from a company with a good reputation until now.

Nah man. I wish I worked for them!!! lol. You obviously know how to use technology, so send em an email...

PS: If you open up activity monitor you'll see that Eucontrol for the most part only uses 10% or less of processor resources.

TheSweetener · 26th February 2008, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stealthmode

Nah man. I wish I worked for them!!! lol. You obviously know how to use technology, so send em an email...

PS: If you open up activity monitor you'll see that Eucontrol for the most part only uses 10% or less of processor resources.

10% CPU power for a controller program? That's a lot!

Are you talking about you dual 2Giga computer?

stealthmode · 26th February 2008, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSweetener

10% CPU power for a controller program? That's a lot!

Are you talking about you dual 2Giga computer?

10% of one CPU is the spike. Like when doing multiple editing tasks. It's generally straddling the 3-4% area of ONE processor. So in actuality we're talking about 1.5-5% of CPU resources, with the majority of the time being at 1.5-2% In comparison, Firefox uses between 7 and 9% and up to 20% which is 3.5-4.5% or up to 10% of CPU resources while browsing pages.

trakk · 27th February 2008, 05:51 AM

I wasn't planning to buy a control surface for my new rig, but I saw the MC Mix demonstrated tonight at an Apple/Logic/Apogee/Euphonix clinic and it was pretty cool. Now I'm gonna have to factor in an MC Mix and MC Control into the budget! Very cool!

Timsplace · 27th February 2008, 03:59 PM

Anyone experiencing bouncing faders? Often when I'm banking (or nudging) around, the 5th or (and) 6th faders will start "bouncing" uncontrolably. If I touch them, they stop, or if I bank back and forth a couple of times they stop too. Just curious if this could be a bad unit?

Tim

PTHD 7.3.1
Powermac MDD Dual 1.42Ghz
OS 10.4.8

morpheuzrecords · 27th February 2008, 04:20 PM

last update from my dealer - there won't be any shippment to europe untill april

. euphonix is haveing big problems getting the units to europe according to them. so I have to wait one more month at least.
it wouldn't bother me as much if I did not sell my US-2400 too soon.
I f*cking hate mixing with a mouse

jacko · 28th February 2008, 12:18 PM

can you easily use knobs to control plugin parameters in Pro Tools?

yoink · 28th February 2008, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdunn

I guess the new paradigm is that things don't get fully beta tested until they sell a bunch of them. What a drag it is to pay to be a beta tester.

Yet at the same time, when a product like this is announced, everybody is like "When are they going to release it, hurry up", etc...

This has got to be the worst thing about digital, or new gear in general.

With this one too it seems worse than ever. I have been bugging three different shops in Montreal to get my hands on one. They fill a void that only the Mackie Controls could fill (price range and feature set) and, at least, on paper, took it up a good couple of notches.

At least it's nice to know that, for the most part, Euphonix is actively working out the kinks.

needledown · 1st March 2008, 12:56 AM

i returned my mcmix for right now Ill see how these updates work with Pro Tools.
Tech support was great to me, always responded fast and is aware of problems but alot of it is HUI itself. So if any pro tools users update to 1.0.2 please let me know the upgrades
like is there unlimited banking? can we put faders in write mode? if we switch to mix screen can we exit back out to the edit screen? can we edit plug ins beyond the first 8?

So for now ill stay with the command 8 and its problems....

aa

hednoize · 1st March 2008, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by needledown

i returned my mcmix for right now Ill see how these updates work with Pro Tools.
Tech support was great to me, always responded fast and is aware of problems but alot of it is HUI itself. So if any pro tools users update to 1.0.2 please let me know the upgrades
like is there unlimited banking? can we put faders in write mode? if we switch to mix screen can we exit back out to the edit screen? can we edit plug ins beyond the first 8?
aa

I'm not a PT user, I'm running Logic with the MC Mix, but here is the text from the installer for the update, looks like at least one of your questions os answered there:

"What's New

Bug Fixes

Cubase and Nuendo plug-in windows now close when Close plug-ins on workstation when exiting is checked in the General tab in EuControl Settings.

A crash in EuControl was fixed that occurred when opening certain Logic Pro projects. It could also occur on occasion when adding a track in Logic Pro.

HUI and Mackie Control applications can now access all of a project's tracks, not just the first 32 tracks. When configuring your application, set up one HUI (or Mackie Control) for each MC Mix you are using. See the EuCon Application Setup Guide (PDF) rev E or later for complete setup instructions.

The Euphonix Artist Series splash screen only appears the first time EuControl is launched. Every time EuControl is launched, its icon spins to show progress, stopping when EuControl is fully running."

Free

arimaka · 1st March 2008, 04:34 AM

Have you downloaded this update?
It's downloading so slow here, and I have downloaded several copies that won't mount the .DMG...

If anyone has a working .DMG let me know because I can't seem to download.
The guys at Euphonix told me they where going to move to a new server soon to make downloading quicker... right now it's painfully slow.

hednoize · 1st March 2008, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arimaka

Have you downloaded this update?
It's downloading so slow here, and I have downloaded several copies that won't mount the .DMG...

If anyone has a working .DMG let me know because I can't seem to download.
The guys at Euphonix told me they where going to move to a new server soon to make downloading quicker... right now it's painfully slow.

I successfully downloaded it, but as you noted, their server has become ridiculously slow in the last week. It took me a couple hours.

Free

rashadrm@hotmai · 1st March 2008, 05:35 PM

Got my update!!!!! Still doesnt work any better though..., Logic is still slow to respond to commands and the mc mix no longer shows up in protools as an option under the hui protocol. Gotta figure that one out. I really like the size of these units though, perfect for my desk
So as far as Eucon vs mackie control, mackie wins.

but as they say .... if it seems to good to be true , it probably is.
Tryin to hang in there with mc mix....

cold c · 1st March 2008, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morpheuzrecords

last update from my dealer - there won't be any shippment to europe untill april

. euphonix is haveing big problems getting the units to europe according to them.

For info, there are MC MIX units (in stock) in 'Europe', see http://www.dv247.com/invt/48196/

d.dot · 1st March 2008, 10:31 PM

What's up with their website? Its slow as cold molasses. It's saying 4 hours to download the update.

arimaka · 1st March 2008, 10:50 PM

Their server is pretty bad.... They have a new one coming soon...
even worst, I had to download it twice.....

Update is great though. Much more responsive, dropouts have disappeared, it now banks correctly, I like this update.... Hope there are more improvements to come.
I think Apple also needs to step up and update their EuCon adapter....

stealthmode · 3rd March 2008, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rashadrm@hotmai

the mc mix no longer shows up in protools as an option under the hui protocol.

I had the same problem...repair disk permissions will probably fix this for you!

mixable · 3rd March 2008, 05:32 PM

I got my MC Mix about 2 weeks ago. Initially fairly impressed with it, but 1.02 is a big disappointment for me, actually works worse in Pro Tools and now Logic seems buggy (can't change screensets).

I'd like to see 2 things happen if Euphonix is really going to support this product...

1) an Artist series forum on their website. issues will come to a head way quicker this way.

2) emulation of either Pro Control or ICON series consoles. HUI protocol is fairly ancient and somewhat limited and buggy. reverse-engineering emulation in the same way everyone reverse engineered Digi interfaces could make this thing really ROCK.

hey, just my $ .02 and my hope to avoid spending $25k on a D-Command that doesn't improve the sound at all, but the user-experience is sublime. I see the potential here for a very close experience for a fraction of the price.

Raven11 · 5th March 2008, 12:15 AM

1. I ran 1.0.2 with Pro Tools and it worked for me. The banking actually works now! looks like the actually listen to their users - what a concept!

2. Logic can be slow for me at time. Especially this first time I open a project and go into the knobsets. It seems faster after you toggle them once. Maybe it's some sort of ram buffering thing in EuControl (???) then again, Logic can be slow and buggy on its own at times.

For me it has been a great investment.

oh yeah - took a small lifetime to download the upgrade though. Hopefully they fix that for the next one.

Raven11 · 5th March 2008, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mixable

2) emulation of either Pro Control or ICON series consoles. HUI protocol is fairly ancient and somewhat limited and buggy. reverse-engineering emulation in the same way everyone reverse engineered Digi interfaces could make this thing really ROCK.

I do not think it is possible for 3rd party companies to emulate ICON/ProControl; these are Digidesigns proprietary controllers and use a closed protocol. HUI on the other hand can be licenced from Mackie.

HUI is used by all other controllers for Pro Tools except Digi. SSL uses it with AWS900+ and Duality, Smart-AV emulates 4 HUIs, etc...

Considering what EuCon can do, and that HUI is a "sub-set" it's pretty cool and not surprising that its not perfect. I would imagine the guys at Euphonix don't put all their efforts in developing HUI when EuCon is their big thing.

At least now I can edit in Pro Tools and mix through Logic at the same time with ONE surface for both. AWESOME!

arimaka · 5th March 2008, 04:02 AM

You might be surprised and someone can emulate ICON. I think there are probably some people already doing it. Many have done it with the PTHD interfaces and have done it very well (like lynx and now RADAR)... The control protocol is probably even easier to reverse engineer.

musikwerks · 5th March 2008, 09:56 AM

I'm trying to d/l the 1.0.2 but everytime I open it it says the file is damaged and may damage my computer if I proceed.... anyone?

davidd · 5th March 2008, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musikwerks

I'm trying to d/l the 1.0.2 but everytime I open it it says the file is damaged and may damage my computer if I proceed.... anyone?

I uploaded the file to my yousendit account.
Downloadable for 2 weeks.
Use this link:
YouSendIt - Send large files - transfer delivery - FTP Replacement

If you want to do me a favour, try it with Nuendo/Cubase and tell if there is any waiting time if you switch banks

david

arimaka · 5th March 2008, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musikwerks

I'm trying to d/l the 1.0.2 but everytime I open it it says the file is damaged and may damage my computer if I proceed.... anyone?

This happened to me once, just re-downloaded (took about 4 hours each time) and it worked.

stealthmode · 5th March 2008, 10:40 PM

From Euphonix:

We are in the process of moving our website to a new server. For the time being, please download via FTP here:

ftp.euphonix.com/public

Username: Download
Password: MC2software

Best Regards,

Euphonix Support Team

Raven11 · 6th March 2008, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arimaka

You might be surprised and someone can emulate ICON. I think there are probably some people already doing it. Many have done it with the PTHD interfaces and have done it very well (like lynx and now RADAR)... The control protocol is probably even easier to reverse engineer.

of course it is possible and maybe with some legal ramifications....

blayz2002 · 7th March 2008, 07:57 PM

Not sure if this is already posted here, but if not Craig Anderton is doing one of his 'Pro Reviews' on the MC Mix: NEW! EUPHONIX ARTIST SERIES CONTROL SURFACE - Harmony Central Musician Community Forums

He also seems to be in close contact with Euphonix (I think they requested the review and are monitoring) so might be a good place to flag any bugs .

27th February 2008, 04:20 PM	#99
morpheuzrecords Gear addict Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Slovakia Posts: 465	last update from my dealer - there won't be any shippment to europe untill april . euphonix is haveing big problems getting the units to europe according to them. so I have to wait one more month at least. it wouldn't bother me as much if I did not sell my US-2400 too soon. I f*cking hate mixing with a mouse __________________ ------------------------------------------ David Kalosi www.morpheusmultimedia.sk www.myspace.com/morpheusmultimedia

28th February 2008, 12:18 PM	#100
jacko Gear addict Join Date: May 2004 Location: London, Islington Posts: 311	can you easily use knobs to control plugin parameters in Pro Tools? __________________ www.milaszewski.com www.chimpstudio.com http://www.myspace.com/jacekmilaszewski

1st March 2008, 12:56 AM	#102
needledown Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Orlando FL and NY Posts: 9	1.0.2 update is up i returned my mcmix for right now Ill see how these updates work with Pro Tools. Tech support was great to me, always responded fast and is aware of problems but alot of it is HUI itself. So if any pro tools users update to 1.0.2 please let me know the upgrades like is there unlimited banking? can we put faders in write mode? if we switch to mix screen can we exit back out to the edit screen? can we edit plug ins beyond the first 8? So for now ill stay with the command 8 and its problems.... aa

1st March 2008, 10:31 PM	#108
d.dot Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 369	What's up with their website? Its slow as cold molasses. It's saying 4 hours to download the update. __________________ http://myspace.com/ddotsound http://www.myspace.com/needmix

5th March 2008, 10:40 PM	#118
stealthmode Gear Head Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: THE BAY Posts: 34	From Euphonix: We are in the process of moving our website to a new server. For the time being, please download via FTP here: ftp.euphonix.com/public Username: Download Password: MC2software Best Regards, Euphonix Support Team __________________ Dual 2 GHz G5 4GB RAM PTLE 7.4 Logic 8.0.1 FCP 6 MC MIX

26th February 2008, 01:22 AM	#91
jdunn Head of Bumping Security (B.S) Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: in the hills of Southern California Posts: 2,695	I guess the new paradigm is that things don't get fully beta tested until they sell a bunch of them. What a drag it is to pay to be a beta tester. Yet at the same time, when a product like this is announced, everybody is like "When are they going to release it, hurry up", etc... This has got to be the worst thing about digital, or new gear in general.

26th February 2008, 03:13 AM	#93
arimaka Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 334	Man!!! Going back to the Mackie's is no option for me; they are long gone!!! I was able to install the new software... It took uninstalling the old software and restarting my mac with the MC off... This was after a good 20 mins of wasting my time. Hope 1.0.2 is better and out quick... I plan on getting the MC Control, but I want these units to be snappy like the MC Pro!!! I do have to say that I did a mix revision today and I love how you can navigate through the session and plugs. The hardware and concept is way better than the Mackie's which I used over 3 years!!! Come on Euphonix!!! Throw us a bone!!!

27th February 2008, 05:51 AM	#97
trakk Gear nut Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Nashville Posts: 101	I wasn't planning to buy a control surface for my new rig, but I saw the MC Mix demonstrated tonight at an Apple/Logic/Apogee/Euphonix clinic and it was pretty cool. Now I'm gonna have to factor in an MC Mix and MC Control into the budget! Very cool!

27th February 2008, 03:59 PM	#98
Timsplace Gear nut Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 115	Anyone experiencing bouncing faders? Often when I'm banking (or nudging) around, the 5th or (and) 6th faders will start "bouncing" uncontrolably. If I touch them, they stop, or if I bank back and forth a couple of times they stop too. Just curious if this could be a bad unit? Tim PTHD 7.3.1 Powermac MDD Dual 1.42Ghz OS 10.4.8

1st March 2008, 04:34 AM	#104
arimaka Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 334	Have you downloaded this update? It's downloading so slow here, and I have downloaded several copies that won't mount the .DMG... If anyone has a working .DMG let me know because I can't seem to download. The guys at Euphonix told me they where going to move to a new server soon to make downloading quicker... right now it's painfully slow.

1st March 2008, 05:35 PM	#106
rashadrm@hotmai Gear maniac Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 292	Got my update!!!!! Still doesnt work any better though..., Logic is still slow to respond to commands and the mc mix no longer shows up in protools as an option under the hui protocol. Gotta figure that one out. I really like the size of these units though, perfect for my desk So as far as Eucon vs mackie control, mackie wins. but as they say .... if it seems to good to be true , it probably is. Tryin to hang in there with mc mix....

1st March 2008, 10:50 PM	#109
arimaka Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 334	Their server is pretty bad.... They have a new one coming soon... even worst, I had to download it twice..... Update is great though. Much more responsive, dropouts have disappeared, it now banks correctly, I like this update.... Hope there are more improvements to come. I think Apple also needs to step up and update their EuCon adapter....

3rd March 2008, 05:32 PM	#111
mixable Gear interested Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 11	I got my MC Mix about 2 weeks ago. Initially fairly impressed with it, but 1.02 is a big disappointment for me, actually works worse in Pro Tools and now Logic seems buggy (can't change screensets). I'd like to see 2 things happen if Euphonix is really going to support this product... 1) an Artist series forum on their website. issues will come to a head way quicker this way. 2) emulation of either Pro Control or ICON series consoles. HUI protocol is fairly ancient and somewhat limited and buggy. reverse-engineering emulation in the same way everyone reverse engineered Digi interfaces could make this thing really ROCK. hey, just my $ .02 and my hope to avoid spending $25k on a D-Command that doesn't improve the sound at all, but the user-experience is sublime. I see the potential here for a very close experience for a fraction of the price.

5th March 2008, 12:15 AM	#112
Raven11 Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California Posts: 42	1. I ran 1.0.2 with Pro Tools and it worked for me. The banking actually works now! looks like the actually listen to their users - what a concept! 2. Logic can be slow for me at time. Especially this first time I open a project and go into the knobsets. It seems faster after you toggle them once. Maybe it's some sort of ram buffering thing in EuControl (???) then again, Logic can be slow and buggy on its own at times. For me it has been a great investment. oh yeah - took a small lifetime to download the upgrade though. Hopefully they fix that for the next one.

5th March 2008, 04:02 AM	#114
arimaka Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 334	You might be surprised and someone can emulate ICON. I think there are probably some people already doing it. Many have done it with the PTHD interfaces and have done it very well (like lynx and now RADAR)... The control protocol is probably even easier to reverse engineer.

5th March 2008, 09:56 AM	#115
musikwerks Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 280	I'm trying to d/l the 1.0.2 but everytime I open it it says the file is damaged and may damage my computer if I proceed.... anyone?

7th March 2008, 07:57 PM	#120
blayz2002 Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 761	Not sure if this is already posted here, but if not Craig Anderton is doing one of his 'Pro Reviews' on the MC Mix: NEW! EUPHONIX ARTIST SERIES CONTROL SURFACE - Harmony Central Musician Community Forums He also seems to be in close contact with Euphonix (I think they requested the review and are monitoring) so might be a good place to flag any bugs . __________________ "This is what I love about mixing though ...it's never the same twice"!