ProFire 2626

[stingray1122]

otobianki74, Yes CP is control panel. The expected operation of the 2626 should allow you to change the sampling rate of the Apogee and have the 2626 follow it when set to external clock. It looks like this problem was resolved is this correct?

If Optical Port B can only be s/pdif at 44.1-48, how does one get 16 channels of ADAT into and out of the box?

edwinhurwitz, this is the functionality in Stand-Alone operation. Under standard Host mode operation (connected to a computer via FireWire) all the ports work as you would expects for a total of 16 ADAT Optical I/O at 44.1-48kHz.

Chris Fritz & grayter1, thanks for the positive feedback!

RayT

[RobDrmz]

Originally Posted by Dean7

Well, controller would encompass chipset as well in the case of a PCI-based FireWire card. If you're talking about on-board I suppose you're correct in saying that it's the chipset that would cause issues, but it's specifically the firewire controller on said chipset that's causing the issue. So, I fail to see your point.

What, exactly, do you think controller means?

-Dean

From my years as a technitian, I would surmize that the controller is the interface. If you updated the BIOS on the unit, that new firmware MAY not be compatible with your current firewire card. But I would say software issue there.

I tried to read your original error message, but couldn't find the thread. If you could point it out again for clairification that would be great. But usually when you receive and error message.

Anyone have any more info on SP3 compatibility? I am waiting for my PF. I have a new Core 2 system with Protools waiting, wondering if I should update to SP3.

[Dean7]

Originally Posted by RobDrmz

From my years as a technitian, I would surmize that the controller is the interface. If you updated the BIOS on the unit, that new firmware MAY not be compatible with your current firewire card. But I would say software issue there.

I tried to read your original error message, but couldn't find the thread. If you could point it out again for clairification that would be great. But usually when you receive and error message.

Anyone have any more info on SP3 compatibility? I am waiting for my PF. I have a new Core 2 system with Protools waiting, wondering if I should update to SP3.

I haven't had any issues with my 2626... you must be confused.

-Dean

[theaero]

Does ANYONE know what one might do to get this unit working correctly on windows XP when on a mac pro (running XP via bootcamp)

Its quite important.

[Dean7]

Originally Posted by theaero

Does ANYONE know what one might do to get this unit working correctly on windows XP when on a mac pro (running XP via bootcamp)

Its quite important.

Well, what error are you seeing? Did you already post the error?

[theaero]

The error is code 10 - device will not start.

However, I just installed vista and it worked using the new drivers. They also posted a new sp3 driver which i suspect will work, but I already installed vista.

DUC: If you have a mac and a profire 2626, could you please help?

If anyone wants to help me out and test out the new sp3 driver in Windows XP Service Pack 3 for the Profire 2626 in boot camp, I would be very thankful. PM me or post with any results

[rolo95]

Originally Posted by theaero

The error is code 10 - device will not start.

However, I just installed vista and it worked using the new drivers. They also posted a new sp3 driver which i suspect will work, but I already installed vista.

DUC: If you have a mac and a profire 2626, could you please help?

If anyone wants to help me out and test out the new sp3 driver in Windows XP Service Pack 3 for the Profire 2626 in boot camp, I would be very thankful. PM me or post with any results

I think you better stick with Sp2 on win xp.. as some one here states on a previous post.... as to my current knowledge SP3 conflicts with the 2626..
with the latest driver from m-audio...

but check for yourself... im not 100% shure of that

[theaero]

Unfortunately, i get the same error with sp2 and the 2626. It seems to be a problem with XP and the 2626 in general. Vista 32bit and OSX Leopard works fine. i am using a compliant TI firewire chipset. This issue has been stated a couple times earlier in this thread, a couple other times on this board, on the DUC digidesign forums and M-audios forums. Lots of people (even on regular PCs, not macs and bootcamp) are having this problem, and there have been no answers. =[

[Yung]

Originally Posted by theaero

Unfortunately, i get the same error with sp2 and the 2626. It seems to be a problem with XP and the 2626 in general. Vista 32bit and OSX Leopard works fine. i am using a compliant TI firewire chipset. This issue has been stated a couple times earlier in this thread, a couple other times on this board, on the DUC digidesign forums and M-audios forums. Lots of people (even on regular PCs, not macs and bootcamp) are having this problem, and there have been no answers. =[

mine is workin perfectly with sp2 but you have to make sure you have the lastest drivers and the latest ptmp also.. goto the the protools websites and purchase the latest protool and even after you do that redownload the update for the protools 7.4 it should be cs5. and everything should work for you. if any problem look at some of my earlier post and it states everything specifically for xp sp2. It will not work on xp sp3.

[RobDrmz]

Ok Yung,

I have a profire 2626 on the way with a loaded core 2 system waiting. I did not know there were ANY problems at all.

I have PTMP 7.4 sitting in the box as I wait for my PF2626 to ship.
My DAW is not hook to the internet. I was thinking about d/l'ing the drivers/updates and usb'ing them over. Do I have to register this online to run it?

[fizzler]

Originally Posted by RobDrmz

Ok Yung,

I have a profire 2626 on the way with a loaded core 2 system waiting. I did not know there were ANY problems at all.

I have PTMP 7.4 sitting in the box as I wait for my PF2626 to ship.
My DAW is not hook to the internet. I was thinking about d/l'ing the drivers/updates and usb'ing them over. Do I have to register this online to run it?

You have to create a user account on the Digidesign website for downloading Pro Tools updates.
M-Audio updates are available for everyone, no need to register.
- fizzler

[theaero]

Originally Posted by Yung

mine is workin perfectly with sp2 but you have to make sure you have the lastest drivers and the latest ptmp also.. goto the the protools websites and purchase the latest protool and even after you do that redownload the update for the protools 7.4 it should be cs5. and everything should work for you. if any problem look at some of my earlier post and it states everything specifically for xp sp2. It will not work on xp sp3.

I own MPowered, and I have tried installing it, both on XP SP2 and SP3. There are now sp3 drivers out for the 2626, but I have tried both. Also, I have tried pro tools, with the latest CS update, and I tried the latest version (7.4.1), to no avail. I still get a code 10, device will not start error.

[RobDrmz]

Well Ray what is the word?

I understand individuals have individual systems & taking that into context, currently I am thinking of returning my PTMP & PF2626 and shelling out the extra $$$ for a 003 rack and LE.

Now, I know this technically is different, but this stability has me concerned. Should I worry?

[Yung]

Originally Posted by theaero

I own MPowered, and I have tried installing it, both on XP SP2 and SP3. There are now sp3 drivers out for the 2626, but I have tried both. Also, I have tried pro tools, with the latest CS update, and I tried the latest version (7.4.1), to no avail. I still get a code 10, device will not start error.

THEAERO..
did you look in my previous post?? there is an exact order of the way stuff should be installed and turned on, to my best of knowledge if the order isnt followed it will not work. as far as the new sp3 drivers., i have not a slightest clue as i dont mind running sp2 to have my 2626 work so they may or may not work i havent had to trouble shoot those drivers..

RobDRMZ...

i dont see why you wouldnt be able to download the drivers and usb them over. as fizzler stated you wont have to register for the m-audio drivers but you will have to register with digidesign to download the new protools driver i believe.

[theaero]

Originally Posted by Yung

THEAERO..
did you look in my previous post?? there is an exact order of the way stuff should be installed and turned on, to my best of knowledge if the order isnt followed it will not work. as far as the new sp3 drivers., i have not a slightest clue as i dont mind running sp2 to have my 2626 work so they may or may not work i havent had to trouble shoot those drivers..

PREVIOUS POST:

Yea i thought tha same thing.... goto digidesign and get the updated version of protools... should be ptmp 7.4cs5 (if your protools doesnt read that. thats your problem.) turn off the comp. unplug the 2626 turn the comp back on install the new driver from m-audio. when it ask to shut down after its done installing the driver accept it and while the comp is off plug the 2626 in and turn it on. Now turn on the comp and it should work.

Yung, just to confirm, are you using a Mac computer with boot camp?


I just reformatted my computer WITH service pack 2. Should i do any updates via windows update, etc? Should I install any other computer drivers first?

From your post this is what ive gathered.
I should have my 2626 plugged in, and get the Pro Tools + CS5 from digidesign.com. Then I should turn off the computer and unplug the 2626. Then turn the computer back on, and install the sp2 driver from m-audio (if you can give me the exact driver version that would be great). Then, I shut off the computer, plug in the 2626, turn it on, then turn on the computer.


I'm ready to do whatever it takes. but ive essentially tried everything and have not gotten it working as of yet.

I still get code 10 - device cannot start.

[RobDrmz]

Just unpacked my PROFIRE and will begin setup and recording of a shootout.

Profire 2626 & FireWire 1814

best,
-Rob

[theaero]

After trying yung's method exactly as he stated, I was still unable to get my profire 2626 working =[

[stingray1122]

Well Ray what is the word?

No news yet. We have been unable to reproduce the problem on any of our systems. There is also a thread on our new user forums with the same issue. I'll be checking in at both places with an update once we have some news.

FireWire Series - The Official M-Audio User Forums

RayT

[blakegaston]

TO THOSE WITH THE CODE 10 ERROR:

I have found a fix that will work for those getting this error. Ive tried it on several intel mac computers, and a couple PCs, all with success.


FIXED: Profire 2626 - code 10 "device cannot start" error in Windows XP - The Official M-Audio User Forums

FIXED: Profire 2626 - code 10 "device cannot start" error in Windows XP

Note:
Due to conflicts with either Apple hardware, the XP Firewire bus drivers, or the Dice II chip in the Profire 2626 units, this is the only way I could successfully get the units working in Windows XP (SP2 or 3) via Bootcamp.
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The Problem:
It seems that certain revisions/models of TI based firewire chipsets do not functional correctly with the TI OHCI Compliant IEE 1394 Host Controller driver that is built into windows XP. (AKA Driver Version 5.1.2535.0). Specific examples include certain Asus motherboards that have TI firewire chipsets and most (if not all) Apple intel desktops and laptops.
When installing your Profire 2626, you would install the drivers, turn off the computer, plug in and power on the 2626, restart the computer, and finish the driver installation process only to be replaced with a "Code 10 - The Device cannot start) error.
The Solution:
When Windows Vista was released, the TI OHCI Compliant IEE 1394 Host Controller driver was updated, to version 6.0.6000.16386, and then once again, to version 6.0.6001.18000. However, while these are Vista specific drivers, they actually work just fine in Windows XP. (I have tested and confirmed that both work, although I do recommend 6.0.6001.18000 because it is more recent)
By replacing the older IEEE controller drivers with with the Vista ones, your Profire 2626 should install successfully and allow you to start making music!
------------------A couple more notes-------------------
This fix worked on three different test computers. (Sony VIAO Laptop, A PC I built, and a Mac Pro 8-core [early 2008])
It requires a compatible Texas Instrument firewire chipset. If you are using any Via firewire chipset, I cannot garentee this will work.
This does however, successfully get Profire 2626 units working in XP (SP2 and SP3 both)

Here is what is required:
-A legit copy of Windows XP SP2 or SP3
-A legit copy of Windows Vista 32bit (or a friend who has it)
-A computer using a Texas Instrument based firewire chipset.
Follow these steps carefully. Deleting a file or moving a file where it shouldnt be can potentially cause system instability.
1.
In Window's Vista, navigate to the following:

C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository

In this folder, there should be a bunch of folders that probably looks extremely confusing. You are going to need to find a folder called 1394.inf_82b142f8
This folder contains the newer driver. (6.0.6001.18000). If you do not have this folder, then there should be another folder named 1394.inf_1c635995 which has the older, but also functional driver.
There is also a chance that you might not have either of these folders. In this case, find the folder that starts with 1394.inf and open it. There should be a file called 1394.inf. Open this file and under [version] there should be a parameter called "DriverVer". As long as the driver version is 6.0.6xxx.xxxxx, you should be fine.
2.
Copy the 1394.inf_82b142f8 (or whichever folder you have), to a flash drive, CD, etc. (or if you are dual booting XP and Vista, you can just go into My Computer, then click you windows XP drive, and place it somewhere in there. The only thing thats important is that you get this folder somewhere onto your Windows XP computer / drive.
3.
Boot into Windows XP
4.
Click the start button and right click the my computer icon, and chose "manage". On the left, select "Device Manager" A list of your computer's devices should come up. Click the small arrow next to IEEE 1394 Bus host controllers. A device called "Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller" or "OHCI Complaint IEEE 1394 Host Controller" should come up.
5.
Right click on this device, and choose "Update Driver"
6.
If a window comes up asking you to check Windows Update for software, choose "no not at this time", then click next
7/
You should now have a window titled "Hardware Update Wizard" up that says it will help you install software or "Texas instruments OHCI Complaint IEEE 1394 Host Controller" It will also say if your hardware came with a CD, stick it in now. Choose the 2nd option (Install from a list of specific location (advanced) and click next.
8.
Select the second radio button that says "Don't search, I will choose the driver to install" and click next
9.
There should now be a list of drivers you can choose. (probably only two). Ignore both of these. Click "Have Disk..." at the bottom and navigate to the 1394.inf_82b142f8 folder (or whichever folder you found), and select the 1394.inf file inside of it., and click "OK"
10.
There should now be two options for drivers you can select. They might seem to be the exact same ones as before, but they are not. Either way, click the second one (Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEE 1394 Host Controller) and click next. The driver should install and you might need to restart your computer.
10.
Go back into the Device Manager after your computer has restarted and select the Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEE 1394 Host Controller device. Right click it and click properties. Under the "driver" tab it should say the driver date and version. Make sure the driver version is 6.0.6xxx.xxxxx. If it is, then you did everything right!

11.
Install the drivers for your Profire 2626 using the user guide that came with it or by following the instructions here: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=485df5a71d1c49fae b8d332238ef7d4e[/URL]
Your Profire 2626 should successfully work and you can start making music with your favourite DAW software! If you have any problems or questions, feel free to ask me on these forums or PM me. This tutorial is not supported by M-audio employees or tech support, so they might not encourage this, but you never know. Maybe they will.
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The 6.0.6xxx.xxxxx version drivers ARE a part of Vista, therefore it would be illegal to distribute them over the internet, which is why I do not have them posted here. They are the property of Microsoft. (I think). I have informed several M-audio employees, as well as RayT, the Hardware Product Manager of my findings, and hopefully, they can figure out a way patch this up without the need for this work around.

[rolo95]

Very nice finding man...

Very smart

btw...
im planning to get one of that profire 2626
to upgrade from my old deltas 44's i had...

so it will be like night and day right ?
the upgrade in quality
Greets
ROlo.

[Pringles]

Hi,

I'm about to buy a Profire in Europe (220V) that I'll bring with me to North America (110V) some months later.
So I'm wondering if the Profire can be only powered by the FireWire port like many other audio interfaces ?

Thanks!

[blakegaston]

Unfortunately, they require external power... Although i really do wish they could be powered with the firewire bus.

I am actually unsure why, seeing as Firewire 1394 a is capable of 25-30V, and the profire 2626 only uses 12.

Laptops usually have trouble with that though. From what Ive read, many laptops struggle with 12v unless plugged in.

Pin 1 of a firewire cable is power, and Pin 2 is ground. Someone modify a cable to plug into the 2626's firewire port and power supply jack. Although, I have no idea how they would regulate the voltage

ehe

No, but i really wish they were bus powered. I hate having wall warts and power connectors of its type in my racks.

[Pringles]

Hi blakegaston, are you 100% sure about that ?

[blakegaston]

Originally Posted by Pringles

Hi blakegaston, are you 100% sure about that ?

What exactly are you asking if I am sure about?

If you are asking if i am sure the profire 2626 cannot run on the firewire bus power then yes I am sure

M-AUDIO - Knowledge Base

"* note: the ProFire 2626, ProjectMix I/O and NRV10 are exceptions, these devices are not powered by your computer's FireWire bus, and require the included power adapter at all times."

[Darkening]

Hi everybody (this was double-posted in another thread but i realized i totally hijacked that thread so i'm try'n'a correct it)

Just got a PROFIRE 2626...

For the most part I like it.

I HATE the knobs. What the FVCK, seriously, they feel terrible.

HERE IS THE BIG BURN THOUGH...

I'm using this with a MacBook C2D 2.0 1GB RAM...

During PLAYBACK with the 2626, if I drop the cursor down anywhere (like during editing, etc i playback and will jump around while it is playing back and make quick edits, fades, etc) so... if I put the cursor anywhere during playback there is a DROPOUT in the audio about 1 second... Playback does not stop, or pause it continues, so you miss about a second of the playback.

I've never experienced this on 002/003/Mbox setups.

This is my first M-audio/M-powered interface so I don't know if this is a problem particular to my system, the interface, or M-powered?

I've tried all buffer settings, etc, and all that. I have a lot of experience with setting up LE systems on Mac and XP so I def. know what's up with running PT in the first place.

Normal? Weird?

It's annoying to me and preventing me from wanting to keep it.

[blakegaston]

Originally Posted by Darkening

Hi everybody (this was double-posted in another thread but i realized i totally hijacked that thread so i'm try'n'a correct it)

Just got a PROFIRE 2626...

For the most part I like it.

I HATE the knobs. What the FVCK, seriously, they feel terrible.

I have this quirk too. I cant stand them. They are just awful.

[UneducatedWeasel]

Anyone having the agere/TI firewire issue with the new MB/MBP and the 2626? I'm off to uni soon, so a laptop and interface would be nice, and this one seems pretty good. This chipset problem would really screw up what seems to be a fantastic deal

[otobianki74]

Originally Posted by Darkening

During PLAYBACK with the 2626, if I drop the cursor down anywhere (like during editing, etc i playback and will jump around while it is playing back and make quick edits, fades, etc) so... if I put the cursor anywhere during playback there is a DROPOUT in the audio about 1 second... Playback does not stop, or pause it continues, so you miss about a second of the playback.

doesn't sound like a 2626 hardware problem, rather a setting within in pro tools. my hunch is that "dynamic transport" setting is on... it's in one of the drop downs (can't remember, not in front of my computer). just make sure the the check mark is off beside where it says it.

see if that helps...

oto

[Darkening]

Originally Posted by otobianki74

doesn't sound like a 2626 hardware problem, rather a setting within in pro tools. my hunch is that "dynamic transport" setting is on...

Thanks bud!

Ok, turning off dynamic transport solves the dropout issue...

Still, with a 002R, 003R, or an Mbox, I can have dynamic transport enabled and this does NOT happen.

Also, when running a session off the MacBook's internal drive, the dropout is 1/2 as long...

All of these things are the same with a Mac Mini on OS X 10.4.11. as well.

I don't like having to open up a 2nd mixer program to monitor the inputs without the buffer either... I wish M-Powered could detect and utilize Low-Latency monitoring directly in the app like the 002/003.

[barryjohns]

The plan was to get my son an LE System. So I ordered a 2626, it's due to arrive on Monday. After doing more research, thought I'd done enough, but I guess not, i won't be opening the box on Monday. I ordered a 003 Console today from Jon Haber over at Alto Music. The 2626 will be going back to Roaddog.

The idea of something that is trying to get there is not appealing to me. At least with the 003, I know what he will be getting. Good, bad, or indifferent.

Other note, if you have not seen the Mellowmuse thread, go over to it in Music Computer forum. It makes ADC issues in LE History.