Digidesign Mbox 2 Micro - Page 5

justyntime · 31st October 2007, 01:39 PM

OK forget all the talk of resolution capabilities, heres what Im not clear on and seems like a big question to me.

So lets say you ARE using preexisting loops and samples to create new stuff OR you are using a non Digi or Maudio interface...

The description says you can "edit your existing projects" which sounds to me like you cannot start a blank project and add samples and loops. So what do you do? You could create a new blank project with your regular set up and load that into the mobile rig and add your loops and samples...

Heres the thing.. If you cant start a new blank project I would would think that they wouldn't let you import samples and loops because youd also be able to import full track audio recorded with your interface of choice in your DAW of choice and just use this to have PT compatibility where needed which would cut out the need for anyone to buy other Digi gear. If thats the case then this thing is a godsend for a ton of people and the $200 or so street price would be well worth it but I cant imagine they would allow that to happen, they'd lose millions. With the exception of HD users nobody buys digi for the hardware lol

The description says create loop based or VST based projects but I wonder what kind of limitations will be put on the use of loops meaning how will they try to block you from importing full track wavs?

Silver Sonya · 31st October 2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by justyntime

Heres the thing.. If you cant start a new blank project I would would think that they wouldn't let you import samples and loops because youd also be able to import full track audio recorded with your interface of choice in your DAW of choice and just use this to have PT compatibility where needed which would cut out the need for anyone to buy other Digi gear. If thats the case then this thing is a godsend for a ton of people and the $200 or so street price would be well worth it but I cant imagine they would allow that to happen, they'd lose millions.

I think you might be over-estimating the value of Pro Tools. You've always been able to drag audio created in other DAWs into Pro Tools. They're not that crazy exclusive or proprietary. You can take an audio file created by any means, so long as it is a recognized format (i.e. AIFF or WAV or whatever). This is no big deal. It's not a "godsend."

It's just inconvenient and slow to work this way as a general matter. Recording in Logic or DP or Cubase and dragging the audio into a Pro Tools session is time consuming and awkward. But it can be done. This has always been the case. It's not like pulling one over on Digidesign or anything. Y'know?

So, yeah, now you can do this for less.

- c

justyntime · 31st October 2007, 06:21 PM

I think your missing my point. I know you can do this in PT but what Im saying is now they are offering a way of doing it that should end up being substantially cheaper than the other digi equipment needed to run pro tools. Is it a pain to record in another daw and bring it into pro tools... of course, Im not talking about doing this for every single project but a lot of people you may work with like to take their projects to another studio and hate it or love it you know the format they will probably be using.

What Im wondering is if digi will do something with the version of PT that will come with this dongle that will keep you from importing say.... files longer than 30 seconds or so.

I dont think its a big secret Digi makes big bucks off of people having to buy the $500 interfaces to run PT just in case they need it or people that just HAVE to run PT being tied to using digi hardware. This would open up a big hole in that plan for a couple hundred bucks.

gold sounds · 31st October 2007, 06:54 PM

All of the ads and announcements have stated that Micro comes with Pro Tools LE software. I can't imagine there would be any good reason for Digi to say this in their announcement and then reduce this specific copy of LE's scope for the Micro-only version, just seems silly and would disappoint + piss off a lot of people.

I really doubt the version they release will have any limitations on what LE offers, if anything for legal reasons since they're advertising that LE is included and part of the logic for the price is that you're paying for an entire Pro Tools license, which when all is said and done is a good deal for someone who doesn't own a copy of the software already.

On a related note, I don't think there could be any way Digi would release this thing and not have it be able to create new sessions. Just my 2 cents...

justyntime · 31st October 2007, 06:57 PM

I agree this should be the case but I think Digi has a reputation of being gear Nazi's so I guess Im just in shock lol

Mosby · 1st November 2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Stiff

Yes it does, but it's not good reasoning IMO. People who don't buy it on day one, and perhaps will already have 7.4 when they do decide to get it shouldn't have to pay for another upgrade. If this was a solution aimed for new users I would kind of agree that you could subtract a software price, even though that is not how Digidesign works (you really pay for hardware until it's time for updates), but it's clearly aimed for existing users.

Again, it is a good idea, and I believe it will sell... But I still think it should have been free and iLok based (or native if they could get past the whole dongle thing).

True - I'm just saying though, if you/me want the Mbox Micro, and want to upgrade to 7.4 then why not just buy the Micro, and install 7.4? I mean, in my case, I want to upgrade to 7.4, but I'll have to pay. I also think the Micro would be pretty damn nifty, so in my case it's sort of killing two birds with one stone. My point was/is just that you are getting a paid software upgrade *and* a remote dongle. Though I do agree with you, that a software-less version would be nice.

PoorGlory · 1st November 2007, 04:20 AM

Of all the things Digi decided to address with a new product, it was the ability to edit away from the studio.

This was like the last thing on the list of demands from their customer base and they chose to ignore the real issues (ADC, being a slave to second rate proprietary hardware). All this does is let you use what you already have. I'd say $250 ($175 for the dongle and $75 for the software) is essentially anal rape.

Silver Sonya · 1st November 2007, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorGlory

I'd say $250 ($175 for the dongle and $75 for the software) is essentially anal rape.

Youch!

- c

Stiff · 1st November 2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorGlory

This was like the last thing on the list of demands from their customer base and they chose to ignore the real issues (ADC, being a slave to second rate proprietary hardware).

Now that's not really fair... Do you have any idea on what they're doing behind their closed doors? Just because they haven't announced something doesn't mean they're not working on it.

noiseflaw · 1st November 2007, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorGlory

Of all the things Digi decided to address with a new product, it was the ability to edit away from the studio. This was like the last thing on the list of demands from their customer base and they chose to ignore the real issues (ADC, being a slave to second rate proprietary hardware).

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Originally Posted by Stiff

Now that's not really fair...

Sounds fair to me.

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Originally Posted by Stiff

Do you have any idea on what they're doing behind their closed doors? Just because they haven't announced something doesn't mean they're not working on it.

Knowing Digi's business model and their generally wholesome and generous give aways,

I bet it is not any of the above.

PoorGlory · 1st November 2007, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Stiff

Now that's not really fair... Do you have any idea on what they're doing behind their closed doors? Just because they haven't announced something doesn't mean they're not working on it.

What's not fair is stringing customers along with new bullshit products that don't have the features practically everyone is yelling for. Especially when they have the technology and processes to do what we want them to do. Behind closed doors there are only business meetings about how to put out shoddy product after shoddy product without giving the customers what they want. I can think of no other explanation.

What's not fair is charing $250 extra for something that all other DAWs already do... to use the software we already own. This is a slap in the face.

Mr. Fun · 1st November 2007, 04:56 PM

I'm surprised at how many folks are overly concerned about the fact that they alredy "own" the software.

Honestly, when you look at the big picture, one PT license is good for countless computers, as we have proven in our studio and contract PT editors. We have PT on at least 8 computers - all from the same license. No big whoop.

The catch is - as we all know - that a computer must be hooked up to a piece of Digi gear in order to open / work. THAT'S Digi's brilliant (and pain-in-the-butt) piracy protection!

They could care less about who "has" the software! It doesn't matter, just as long as they own the hardware!

From a business model, it's brilliant! Digi doesn't have to deote countless man-hours worrying or caring about copied or pirated software, keeping hackers at bay. Instead, they just sit back as we pay $250 - $1200 for the hardware! Obviously more for HD users.

It also allows all of us to put PT on all our computers (home, studio, laptop, friend), and just carry around a protable hard drive & single piece of small hardware. Heck, that'd all fit in a pocket!

Through this method, Digi has lept over its single-computer competitors and appealed to the masses. Compatibility is no longer an issue, whether it be Mac or PC, HD or LE.

Here's a real-world scenario we face:

A tracking session is recorded on HD, 48k, Mac based. I can give that session to any of our editors, they hook it up to an MBox, work on it at home on their PC laptop, post files to an FTP server, and import the session or individual files back into the original session. Sure, you could edit the files in another program, but it's SOOOO much easier in PT, keeping regions, fades, volumes, you name it...

As for the Micro? Pretty simple, if you ask me. It is an answer (though not a complete one) to the demands of PT users - a simple, ultra-portable device to edit the contents of existing sessions, or to create new sessions using plugins or pre-existing audio files.

Basically portable editing. Perfect for me and countless guys I know.

And, as I've established, it is another in the list of pieces of hardware that take advantage of your existing software. The included software is obvioulsy no skin off Digi's back, and is also another effective way to spread PT to the masses.

Where does it fall short? Input(s), obviously. It would have been nice to see a second 1/8 inch stereo jack dedicated to input.

And the 96k option. However, complaining about this is like a NACAR driver complaining about the fact that his wife's minivan won't go 200mph.

Of course, it'd be nice to have a 200mph minivan. Get ya to those gigs faster!

jeronimo · 1st November 2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Fun

I'm surprised at how many folks are overly concerned about the fact that they alredy "own" the software.

Honestly, when you look at the big picture, one PT license is good for countless computers, as we have proven in our studio and contract PT editors. We have PT on at least 8 computers - all from the same license. No big whoop.

The catch is - as we all know - that a computer must be hooked up to a piece of Digi gear in order to open / work. THAT'S Digi's brilliant (and pain-in-the-butt) piracy protection!

They could care less about who "has" the software! It doesn't matter, just as long as they own the hardware!

From a business model, it's brilliant! Digi doesn't have to deote countless man-hours worrying or caring about copied or pirated software, keeping hackers at bay. Instead, they just sit back as we pay $250 - $1200 for the hardware! Obviously more for HD users.

It also allows all of us to put PT on all our computers (home, studio, laptop, friend), and just carry around a protable hard drive & single piece of small hardware. Heck, that'd all fit in a pocket!

Through this method, Digi has lept over its single-computer competitors and appealed to the masses. Compatibility is no longer an issue, whether it be Mac or PC, HD or LE.

Here's a real-world scenario we face:

A tracking session is recorded on HD, 48k, Mac based. I can give that session to any of our editors, they hook it up to an MBox, work on it at home on their PC laptop, post files to an FTP server, and import the session or individual files back into the original session. Sure, you could edit the files in another program, but it's SOOOO much easier in PT, keeping regions, fades, volumes, you name it...

As for the Micro? Pretty simple, if you ask me. It is an answer (though not a complete one) to the demands of PT users - a simple, ultra-portable device to edit the contents of existing sessions, or to create new sessions using plugins or pre-existing audio files.

Basically portable editing. Perfect for me and countless guys I know.

And, as I've established, it is another in the list of pieces of hardware that take advantage of your existing software. The included software is obvioulsy no skin off Digi's back, and is also another effective way to spread PT to the masses.

Where does it fall short? Input(s), obviously. It would have been nice to see a second 1/8 inch stereo jack dedicated to input.

And the 96k option. However, complaining about this is like a NACAR driver complaining about the fact that his wife's minivan won't go 200mph.

Of course, it'd be nice to have a 200mph minivan. Get ya to those gigs faster!

I don't think it is legal to have one license of PT on 8 different machines, specially for commercial use.

Mosby · 1st November 2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorGlory

Of all the things Digi decided to address with a new product, it was the ability to edit away from the studio.

This was like the last thing on the list of demands from their customer base and they chose to ignore the real issues (ADC, being a slave to second rate proprietary hardware). All this does is let you use what you already have. I'd say $250 ($175 for the dongle and $75 for the software) is essentially anal rape.

Personally, I would consider PDC to be a more valuable investment, however, it's not quite fair to say that the Micro was a product that no one wanted. It might have been a year ago or so, but there was a thread on here where everyone was talking about the biggest things they wanted for LE. Number 1 was PDC/ADC, number 2 was full track count (which isn't one I understood, but c'est la vie, to each is own), and 3# was a remote editing solution for laptops/traveling, etc.... Now just because Digi didn't take the number one or two options doesn't mean that they aren't answering their customer's demands.

And PoorGlory, this isn't necc. directed at you, but Digi has a very good track record of doing what they say they're going to do and their Marketing VP did announce that they would come put with a Hd-Lite (or something) system. Now the question to me isn't so much if they'll actually do it, but when - and Digi's timetable usually isn't anything close to ours.

Mosby · 1st November 2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jeronimo

I don't think it is legal to have one license of PT on 8 different machines, specially for commercial use.

Yeah... I think this would violate the EULA - but IMO, it's sort of silly in this case, I mean, unless you have eight sets of hardware, you can't use the software.

PoorGlory · 1st November 2007, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosby

Personally, I would consider PDC to be a more valuable investment, however, it's not quite fair to say that the Micro was a product that no one wanted. It might have been a year ago or so, but there was a thread on here where everyone was talking about the biggest things they wanted for LE. Number 1 was PDC/ADC, number 2 was full track count (which isn't one I understood, but c'est la vie, to each is own), and 3# was a remote editing solution for laptops/traveling, etc.... Now just because Digi didn't take the number one or two options doesn't mean that they aren't answering their customer's demands.

And PoorGlory, this isn't necc. directed at you, but Digi has a very good track record of doing what they say they're going to do and their Marketing VP did announce that they would come put with a Hd-Lite (or something) system. Now the question to me isn't so much if they'll actually do it, but when - and Digi's timetable usually isn't anything close to ours.

It's not like they have to figure out how to write the code or anything. This is just them dragging their feet and insulting us by releasing these sub-par, overpriced "solutions" to problems that already have solutions (i.e. I record in PT, and when I need to edit away from the studio, I use Reaper, then import back to PT. Better than spending $250 for an easily broken/lost dongle).

The 003 was a complete letdown, and now this. They clearly hear what the people are saying and decide to string us along. Unfortunately I don't plan on ditching my 002R rig any time soon. What I really want it ADC and a second ADAT I/O so I can go all external conversion. But I'll never get that, and I've come to terms with it. I just want them to stop releasing increasingly lame products and start coming up with useful and *gasp* innovate products. A dongle that allows you to run a DAW without hardware is a step behind the competition.

jeronimo · 1st November 2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosby

Yeah... I think this would violate the EULA - but IMO, it's sort of silly in this case, I mean, unless you have eight sets of hardware, you can't use the software.

yes, but you can have 8 different sets of hardware and upgrade only one license...

sventvkg · 2nd November 2007, 02:15 PM

Here's my question. Maybe i'm just not seeing something here but why hasn't some company basically "Behringered" Pro Tools?? looked at their software and basically wrote their own software that does essentially the same thing with the same easy and a similar GUI?? I mean, I have used all the major DAW's out there and I have to say I STILL prefer Pro Tools for editing and Mixing...Why the hell can't someone else come out with all the features and a similar work flow as Pro Tools??? Add in PDC, the ability to run any interface and it would be a HUGE HUGE hit....If someone can answer this question I would really be interested.

Duardo · 2nd November 2007, 02:34 PM

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What's not fair is stringing customers along with new bullshit products that don't have the features practically everyone is yelling for.

This does seem to be one of the new products that (practially) everybody has been yelling for for years.

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Maybe i'm just not seeing something here but why hasn't some company basically "Behringered" Pro Tools?? looked at their software and basically wrote their own software that does essentially the same thing with the same easy and a similar GUI??

Unless someone comes out and outright copies Pro Tools exactly, that's either not going to happen or has already happened, depending on how you look at it...there are other plaforms out there that are arguably as good as or better than Pro Tools, but even if something came out that was exactly the same, it wouldn't matter...it doesn't have to be as good as or identical to Pro Tools, it has to be Pro Tools.

Silver Sonya · 2nd November 2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sventvkg

Here's my question. Maybe i'm just not seeing something here but why hasn't some company basically "Behringered" Pro Tools?? looked at their software and basically wrote their own software that does essentially the same thing with the same easy and a similar GUI?? I mean, I have used all the major DAW's out there and I have to say I STILL prefer Pro Tools for editing and Mixing...Why the hell can't someone else come out with all the features and a similar work flow as Pro Tools??? Add in PDC, the ability to run any interface and it would be a HUGE HUGE hit....If someone can answer this question I would really be interested.

What is it that this hypothetical Behringer-type company would copy that the other software options that exist (Nuendo, DP, Logic, Sonar, etc.) don't have already?

PT is not superior in GUI, it's just a more ubiquitous, market-saturated brand. All GUIs have the same basic principal ("console," "outboard," "tape" and now even "instruments") of replicating the functionality of a recording studio. (The wild exception to this form would be this crazy renegade company, of course.)

There's nothing special about the PT GUI. Every user has GUIs they prefer. Logic lovers love Logic, DP lovers love DP, etc.

People tend to like what they know.

This is what someone would have to do to Behringer Digidesign: make a functional DAW and spend a billion dollars on the mass hypnosis we call "marketing."

- c

p.s. I like using Behringer as a verb. :)

Silver Sonya · 2nd November 2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Duardo

it wouldn't matter...it doesn't have to be as good as or identical to Pro Tools, it has to be Pro Tools.

Agreed. This was my point. Capitalism is all about branding.

Both this kind and this kind.

- c

T_R_S · 2nd November 2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorGlory

Of all the things Digi decided to address with a new product, it was the ability to edit away from the studio.

This was like the last thing on the list of demands from their customer base and they chose to ignore the real issues (ADC, being a slave to second rate proprietary hardware). All this does is let you use what you already have. I'd say $250 ($175 for the dongle and $75 for the software) is essentially anal rape.

Basic Editing plug-ins like Autotune, Pitch N Time, and Voc Align are going to cost about $1000.00. So I was thinking Micro is a give away at that price.
FWIW I never use ADC when I edit...

steff3 · 2nd November 2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sventvkg

Here's my question. Maybe i'm just not seeing something here but why hasn't some company basically "Behringered" Pro Tools?? looked at their software and basically wrote their own software that does essentially the same thing with the same easy and a similar GUI??

Well, what the others said about branding - but also:
the biggest feature of PT (besides the brand) is the compatibility to PT- if you release a clone that cannot open sessions - so what, it will be a very weak product :)

Editing in PT is great (because it functions - otherwise IMO Cubase would be great, but well .... Cubase ....)

I think one of the key points is the file format - as others said - you could also edit in other programs and import into PT- but that makes it so much easier. No to think of compatibility to old projects.....

best

gold sounds · 2nd November 2007, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorGlory

It's not like they have to figure out how to write the code or anything. This is just them dragging their feet and insulting us by releasing these sub-par, overpriced "solutions" to problems that already have solutions (i.e. I record in PT, and when I need to edit away from the studio, I use Reaper, then import back to PT. Better than spending $250 for an easily broken/lost dongle).

The 003 was a complete letdown, and now this. They clearly hear what the people are saying and decide to string us along. Unfortunately I don't plan on ditching my 002R rig any time soon. What I really want it ADC and a second ADAT I/O so I can go all external conversion. But I'll never get that, and I've come to terms with it. I just want them to stop releasing increasingly lame products and start coming up with useful and *gasp* innovate products. A dongle that allows you to run a DAW without hardware is a step behind the competition.

I would like PDC as much as the next guy, but I think it's a bit oversimplified to say that Digi wouldn't have to write much code to give this feature to LE. I've spent my own time at different software and hardware companies, and the fact is any project in a large company takes a lot of time and resources. More importantly, if I can guess HD's architecture well enough, I'd bet that its PDC relies on communication with the hardware cards. Therefore, I think there would actually be quite a bit of new code to write to port PDC functionality over to software-only LE.

Regardless, I want it to happen too.

Telefunken USA · 2nd November 2007, 08:45 PM

Personally, I think it's a cool little product. The one issue that I have with it, is that it REALLY design for use on a laptop. Now, this might not seem like a problem, but if i'm trying to edit something on my laptop in PTLE (or do a quick rough mix), I might want to keep the plugins working in the session. The size of the MBox Micro, while tiny, looks like it is still a little to wide to fit both it and my ilok side by side on my mac laptop. I understand that it has a USB extension cable, but if I have to use a USB cable to fit it into my port, then I would rather

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1st November 2007, 04:56 PM	#132
Mr. Fun Gear interested Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1	word about the software... I'm surprised at how many folks are overly concerned about the fact that they alredy "own" the software. Honestly, when you look at the big picture, one PT license is good for countless computers, as we have proven in our studio and contract PT editors. We have PT on at least 8 computers - all from the same license. No big whoop. The catch is - as we all know - that a computer must be hooked up to a piece of Digi gear in order to open / work. THAT'S Digi's brilliant (and pain-in-the-butt) piracy protection! They could care less about who "has" the software! It doesn't matter, just as long as they own the hardware! From a business model, it's brilliant! Digi doesn't have to deote countless man-hours worrying or caring about copied or pirated software, keeping hackers at bay. Instead, they just sit back as we pay $250 - $1200 for the hardware! Obviously more for HD users. It also allows all of us to put PT on all our computers (home, studio, laptop, friend), and just carry around a protable hard drive & single piece of small hardware. Heck, that'd all fit in a pocket! Through this method, Digi has lept over its single-computer competitors and appealed to the masses. Compatibility is no longer an issue, whether it be Mac or PC, HD or LE. Here's a real-world scenario we face: A tracking session is recorded on HD, 48k, Mac based. I can give that session to any of our editors, they hook it up to an MBox, work on it at home on their PC laptop, post files to an FTP server, and import the session or individual files back into the original session. Sure, you could edit the files in another program, but it's SOOOO much easier in PT, keeping regions, fades, volumes, you name it... As for the Micro? Pretty simple, if you ask me. It is an answer (though not a complete one) to the demands of PT users - a simple, ultra-portable device to edit the contents of existing sessions, or to create new sessions using plugins or pre-existing audio files. Basically portable editing. Perfect for me and countless guys I know. And, as I've established, it is another in the list of pieces of hardware that take advantage of your existing software. The included software is obvioulsy no skin off Digi's back, and is also another effective way to spread PT to the masses. Where does it fall short? Input(s), obviously. It would have been nice to see a second 1/8 inch stereo jack dedicated to input. And the 96k option. However, complaining about this is like a NACAR driver complaining about the fact that his wife's minivan won't go 200mph. Of course, it'd be nice to have a 200mph minivan. Get ya to those gigs faster!

31st October 2007, 01:39 PM	#121
justyntime Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 229	OK forget all the talk of resolution capabilities, heres what Im not clear on and seems like a big question to me. So lets say you ARE using preexisting loops and samples to create new stuff OR you are using a non Digi or Maudio interface... The description says you can "edit your existing projects" which sounds to me like you cannot start a blank project and add samples and loops. So what do you do? You could create a new blank project with your regular set up and load that into the mobile rig and add your loops and samples... Heres the thing.. If you cant start a new blank project I would would think that they wouldn't let you import samples and loops because youd also be able to import full track audio recorded with your interface of choice in your DAW of choice and just use this to have PT compatibility where needed which would cut out the need for anyone to buy other Digi gear. If thats the case then this thing is a godsend for a ton of people and the $200 or so street price would be well worth it but I cant imagine they would allow that to happen, they'd lose millions. With the exception of HD users nobody buys digi for the hardware lol The description says create loop based or VST based projects but I wonder what kind of limitations will be put on the use of loops meaning how will they try to block you from importing full track wavs?

31st October 2007, 06:21 PM	#123
justyntime Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 229	I think your missing my point. I know you can do this in PT but what Im saying is now they are offering a way of doing it that should end up being substantially cheaper than the other digi equipment needed to run pro tools. Is it a pain to record in another daw and bring it into pro tools... of course, Im not talking about doing this for every single project but a lot of people you may work with like to take their projects to another studio and hate it or love it you know the format they will probably be using. What Im wondering is if digi will do something with the version of PT that will come with this dongle that will keep you from importing say.... files longer than 30 seconds or so. I dont think its a big secret Digi makes big bucks off of people having to buy the $500 interfaces to run PT just in case they need it or people that just HAVE to run PT being tied to using digi hardware. This would open up a big hole in that plan for a couple hundred bucks.

31st October 2007, 06:54 PM	#124
gold sounds Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Francisco Posts: 22	All of the ads and announcements have stated that Micro comes with Pro Tools LE software. I can't imagine there would be any good reason for Digi to say this in their announcement and then reduce this specific copy of LE's scope for the Micro-only version, just seems silly and would disappoint + piss off a lot of people. I really doubt the version they release will have any limitations on what LE offers, if anything for legal reasons since they're advertising that LE is included and part of the logic for the price is that you're paying for an entire Pro Tools license, which when all is said and done is a good deal for someone who doesn't own a copy of the software already. On a related note, I don't think there could be any way Digi would release this thing and not have it be able to create new sessions. Just my 2 cents...

31st October 2007, 06:57 PM	#125
justyntime Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 229	I agree this should be the case but I think Digi has a reputation of being gear Nazi's so I guess Im just in shock lol

1st November 2007, 04:20 AM	#127
PoorGlory Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,336	Of all the things Digi decided to address with a new product, it was the ability to edit away from the studio. This was like the last thing on the list of demands from their customer base and they chose to ignore the real issues (ADC, being a slave to second rate proprietary hardware). All this does is let you use what you already have. I'd say $250 ($175 for the dongle and $75 for the software) is essentially anal rape.

2nd November 2007, 02:15 PM	#138
sventvkg Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 46	Here's my question. Maybe i'm just not seeing something here but why hasn't some company basically "Behringered" Pro Tools?? looked at their software and basically wrote their own software that does essentially the same thing with the same easy and a similar GUI?? I mean, I have used all the major DAW's out there and I have to say I STILL prefer Pro Tools for editing and Mixing...Why the hell can't someone else come out with all the features and a similar work flow as Pro Tools??? Add in PDC, the ability to run any interface and it would be a HUGE HUGE hit....If someone can answer this question I would really be interested.