Digidesign Mbox 2 Micro - Page 3

Andrew07 · 26th October 2007, 09:46 PM

Does 7.4 come bundled with this

terminal3 · 26th October 2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew07

Does 7.4 come bundled with this

I think the answer to that is probably 'yes' and if the answer is in fact 'no' I can guarantee you with 100% certainty that Digidesign will give you a downloadable update to 7.4 for free otherwise.

psycho_monkey · 27th October 2007, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by octatonic

Remember though that BD is single track only unless you have the music production thingy- which is another $500.
$250 + $500 is a lot of money for the convenience of being able to do mobile edits.

Compare to Logic which is $500 for everything- no dongle, core audio support, supports multiple installs- although admittedly no BD.

This is kinda frustrating, but I'm not even that surprised.

$500 wasn't a lot for me - I've used my rig on 3 long-ish sessions now, chopping up drums in the corner of the studio whilst other work is done on the main rig - with more in the pipeline. Definitely worth it!

I'm a little wary of timestretching too. It's going to have to be a MASSIVE step forward to be able to keep all the drums in phase and inaudible. Knowing how good (or not) sound replacer and beat detective usually are at detecting transients consistently, I'm guessing there's still a fair amount of manual correction needed.

If it DOES work well, I'm sure it'll be quicker though...my abused G4's going to be quaking in it's boots!

lozion · 27th October 2007, 01:18 AM

I think this is ridiculous... You're on an airplane, bus, train etc. and want to open your session with this AND have plugs (or the MTP for that matter for your HD track count), on a ILok, so there you are using both your usb ports!

Why in the farking hell couldnt they just licence the soft to Ilok and use the onboard I/O...

Pay again for a software you own PLUS having to plug your Ilok just makes no sense...

PMoshay · 27th October 2007, 07:48 AM

they will sell lots of thes, but its the last time they can jip us again.
Logic 8 looks mighty fantastic & so does Live 7........ they could easily replace my cripled LE setup (and it looks like Logic 8 will).

Digi better get a better plan than this to keep us around.......this should have been out a year ago, and todays release should have been more like Live 7 with a hardware dongle that has processing & iLok all in one with i/o.

How come Apple is always ahead of their customers? Its amazing to me......

steff3 · 27th October 2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PMoshay

How come Apple is always ahead of their customers? Its amazing to me......

how you mean that? I mean most apple customers use OSX - and their audio software (also called Logic 8) offers MIDI editing in the style of Atari 1994!!! ahead of whom? ahead of themselves?

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wildpark · 27th October 2007, 12:16 PM

means record with a interface of your choice in you most loved daw like logic e.t.c

anf mix it in protools le !!?

iam miss anything

oh jes i can do a session without another ilok looking key with just the build in

computer outputs.

patrick

jeronimo · 27th October 2007, 01:37 PM

I won't spend any money with Digidesign until I have the cash to put up an used HD rig (without interfaces).

PMoshay · 27th October 2007, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by steff3

how you mean that? I mean most apple customers use OSX - and their audio software (also called Logic 8) offers MIDI editing in the style of Atari 1994!!! ahead of whom? ahead of themselves?

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So now even Logic sucks? What programs do you use?
I've used near every audio & midi program out there since the atari days, what do you have that is so revolutionary? Please let us know.

octatonic · 27th October 2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by steff3

how you mean that? I mean most apple customers use OSX - and their audio software (also called Logic 8) offers MIDI editing in the style of Atari 1994!!! ahead of whom? ahead of themselves?

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I will concede that Logic's midi implementation is inferior the moment you show me how ANY other sequencer can do what I am able to do in Logic's environment.

How (in your sequencer of choice) do you transform velocity data from one incoming synth to be used as a modulation source for another synth?

How do you enable polyphonic mute groups to allow effect hihat control with a midi kit so that a second hi-hat strike doesn't clip the sample of the previous hihat strike?

Some of you people have zero understanding how powerful Logic's midi environment is.

tone · 27th October 2007, 04:31 PM

I asked Digidesign to come up with something like this about a year ago. Perfect for editing while traveling without lugging extra stuff. Yeah, it's kind of expensive, but very useful.

R.

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octatonic · 27th October 2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

$500 wasn't a lot for me - I've used my rig on 3 long-ish sessions now, chopping up drums in the corner of the studio whilst other work is done on the main rig - with more in the pipeline. Definitely worth it!

Sure, if you don't own a copy of PT already- but I own my HD rig- I think it is kinda insane that I'd have to shell out $250 for the micro and then another $500 for the MTB to allow me to do multitrack BD edits on the road.

$750 is a lot of money and it isn't good value in this case.
My response to digi is- fck that, I'll read a book on a flight instead rather than work.

Mind-Over-Midi · 27th October 2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by octatonic

I will concede that Logic's midi implementation is inferior the moment you show me how ANY other sequencer can do what I am able to do in Logic's environment.

How (in your sequencer of choice) do you transform velocity data from one incoming synth to be used as a modulation source for another synth?

How do you enable polyphonic mute groups to allow effect hihat control with a midi kit so that a second hi-hat strike doesn't clip the sample of the previous hihat strike?

Some of you people have zero understanding how powerful Logic's midi environment is.

You are right, I don't use (or need) any of the crap. YMMV.

steff3 · 27th October 2007, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by octatonic

I will concede that Logic's midi implementation is inferior the moment you show me how ANY other sequencer can do what I am able to do in Logic's environment.

The environment is something else and definitely one of the points why I love Logic. But MIDI editing is the same as on Atari - ok, some new grapics around it.

>>
So now even Logic sucks? What programs do you use?
I've used near every audio & midi program out there since the atari days, what do you have that is so revolutionary? Please let us know.
>>
first, I did not say that Logic sucks - I just said it is not ahead, MIDI editing is pretty much the same as on Atari, back in 1993 - is that wrong?

Well, I use Logic, DP, Live, Numerology - used Cubase SX3 and PT. In terms of MIDI editing I think either Cubase SX3 or DP is ways more advanced than Logic (as I said, environment is something else). Between Cubase and DP it depends on the tasks - I would maybe consider Cubase more advanced over all.
Of course - there are some things that are best done in Numerology. but general editing .....
What is revolutionary - well, maybe not revolutionary - but edit multiple midi tracks (with their multiple lanes) in context (also with audio) and in one window - as one can do in DP, Cubase and ProTools.
maybe if I had enough money for 2x 30" I might find a way in Logic with its multiple windows - but ....

Also the midi wrapping in Cubase is better than in Logic ..... (although tempo editor is pretty rudimentary in Cubase)

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Jonboy79 · 28th October 2007, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wuss88

http://www.dv247.com/invt/46797/

£180 in the UK... what a rip off for a stupid dongle

You get software too, people seem to overlook this fact.

autodidactic · 28th October 2007, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonboy79

You get software too, people seem to overlook this fact.

Nobody has overlooked this at all. If you already have PT then you have to pay for the software again to use the micro. If you don't already have PT then you can't record with it as there are no inputs. Therefore depending on your situation the micro is either overpriced or useless.

Jonboy79 · 28th October 2007, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by autodidactic

Nobody has overlooked this at all. If you already have PT then you have to pay for the software again to use the micro. If you don't already have PT then you can't record with it as there are no inputs. Therefore depending on your situation the micro is either overpriced or useless.

As you said though, depends on your situation. HD users who'd like to do editing work on the go can't very well use their HD software so something like this would be perfect for them. In fact I sold one of the small mbox's to a guy in that exact situation. Why have such a narrow view on things?

Rob King · 28th October 2007, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonboy79

As you said though, depends on your situation. HD users who'd like to do editing work on the go can't very well use their HD software so something like this would be perfect for them. In fact I sold one of the small mbox's to a guy in that exact situation. Why have such a narrow view on things?

What if you are an HD owner like myself that records 88.2k & 96k sessions and want's to edit "on the go"? no microHD....

raal · 28th October 2007, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob King

What if you are an HD owner like myself that records 88.2k & 96k sessions and want's to edit "on the go"? no microHD....

are you guys sure it doesn't go up 96k?

noiseflaw · 28th October 2007, 02:06 PM

Gotta admit that if you already own PT LE the price of the dongle is a joke, and I would feel a little insulted if I were a Digi user (but then I have observed that Digi IMO do not treat their existing LE customers that well anyway).

But... for someone who does not yet own PT LE it is definately worth a look.

Digi and generosity certainly do not live in the same house, ok business is business, but then again good business is business too - and I do not think Digi have that mindset yet.

They have still missed a good opportunity hear to please everyone.

steff3 · 28th October 2007, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by noiseflaw

They have still missed a good opportunity hear to please everyone.

I think that is the least thing they want - and I honestly would also not know why they should want to. if everybody used PT it would be nothing special and then - as it is with software - the more users the more problems get obvious. and I think - the more popularity, the more illegal use of their software and of RTAS plugs - and that could really hurt them. Now it is - come on devs - RTAS and TDM, a pro standard, misuse is somehow limited. (of course it is there ...)

Limiting their market helps to get recognised, to have a special myth around the product etc. Why would they want to give that up. They will sell their products and at that price the dev costs for that interface are rather earned quickly .....

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Fredrik · 28th October 2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by noiseflaw

But... for someone who does not yet own PT LE it is definately worth a look.

Considering that you can´t record with it I disagree. I can only see it as a means to be able to do edits on a laptop for someone that already own a more bulky version of PT.

Mixing has been mentioned as well but I wonder how good this tiny DA really is. Mixing will also require good monitors and some kind of room treatment idealy, but then the whole idea of portability is gone IMO.

They should have gone with mbox hidden that was mentioned in their survey prior to this release IMO.

The maudio transit is about the same size, works with m-powered and has both analog and digital i/o´s.

autodidactic · 28th October 2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonboy79

As you said though, depends on your situation. HD users who'd like to do editing work on the go can't very well use their HD software so something like this would be perfect for them. In fact I sold one of the small mbox's to a guy in that exact situation. Why have such a narrow view on things?

All I'm saying is that they could have easily had a dynamite little product if they had added two things to the existing feature set: SPDIF I/O and 96k support. If they would have added these two things, many new and current users would have gladly paid money even if it was priced the same as the mini. The micro is a missed opportunity for Digi IMHO.

PS...BTW, does anybody have any news on when PT 7.4 is going to be released?

psycho_monkey · 28th October 2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by octatonic

How do you enable polyphonic mute groups to allow effect hihat control with a midi kit so that a second hi-hat strike doesn't clip the sample of the previous hihat strike?

You can do that using Kontakt in PT.

gracejames · 28th October 2007, 06:13 PM

>But... for someone who does not yet own PT LE it is definately worth a look.

This sums it up. Its a great idea and concept. I might be more interested if they would have just added 1 input. If i'm gonna do music at the beach, that is a place to write not just edit. So, i guess Transit or even GuitarLab with M-Powered is the solution. Or MacMini.

webby · 28th October 2007, 08:25 PM

[quote=Fredrik;1592200]Considering that you can´t record with it I disagree. I can only see it as a means to be able to do edits on a laptop for someone that already own a more bulky version of PT.

What about the guy who just wants to use VI's for sequencing or loop/sample based work and is not worried about inputs, surely this is the thing for that guy? And I can tell you I know loads of people in this situation.....

Fredrik · 28th October 2007, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by webby

What about the guy who just wants to use VI's for sequencing or loop/sample based work and is not worried about inputs, surely this is the thing for that guy? And I can tell you I know loads of people in this situation.....

So you mean that there are loads of people that are in to loop/sample based work that wont mind that they can never sample anything.

webby · 28th October 2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredrik

So you mean that there are loads of people that are in to loop/sample based work that wont mind that they can never sample anything.

With plenty of high quality sample cd's and sample libraries around these days I suspect there are more people than you think are into do this....

octatonic · 28th October 2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

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Andrew07 Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 207	Does 7.4 come bundled with this

27th October 2007, 07:48 AM	#65
PMoshay Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NY Posts: 394	they will sell lots of thes, but its the last time they can jip us again. Logic 8 looks mighty fantastic & so does Live 7........ they could easily replace my cripled LE setup (and it looks like Logic 8 will). Digi better get a better plan than this to keep us around.......this should have been out a year ago, and todays release should have been more like Live 7 with a hardware dongle that has processing & iLok all in one with i/o. How come Apple is always ahead of their customers? Its amazing to me......

27th October 2007, 12:16 PM	#67
wildpark Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: germany Posts: 1,089	means record with a interface of your choice in you most loved daw like logic e.t.c anf mix it in protools le !!? iam miss anything oh jes i can do a session without another ilok looking key with just the build in computer outputs. patrick

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gracejames Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 278	>But... for someone who does not yet own PT LE it is definately worth a look. This sums it up. Its a great idea and concept. I might be more interested if they would have just added 1 input. If i'm gonna do music at the beach, that is a place to write not just edit. So, i guess Transit or even GuitarLab with M-Powered is the solution. Or MacMini.

28th October 2007, 08:25 PM	#86
webby Gear interested Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 28	[quote=Fredrik;1592200]Considering that you can´t record with it I disagree. I can only see it as a means to be able to do edits on a laptop for someone that already own a more bulky version of PT. What about the guy who just wants to use VI's for sequencing or loop/sample based work and is not worried about inputs, surely this is the thing for that guy? And I can tell you I know loads of people in this situation.....