Waves Tape Emulation (Studer!!!)

[OldSkool]

Originally Posted by Farshad

That is the exact reason it got me jumping u and down initially. I hoped somebody from AES chime in and bring some good news.

Cheers

I gather this sort of died on the vine? Hope bumping it might elicit some "Oh yeah, I saw that $hit and you're all going to want it" response?...

[copperx]

Originally Posted by Farshad

If they can model non-liniearities of pre-amps, EQs etc, a faithful tape emulation shouldn't far from their reach.

I'm sorry to ruin your party, but they don't model any non-linearities at all. Not in the SSL bunch. Not in the API stuff.

[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by noiseflaw

btw, I wonder where that will leave Anamod?

Well, the Anamod is a fully analog simulation of Analog, a plug is a digital simulation of Analog.

What will be the difference? I dunno, but I'm sure there will be a difference.

[Coyoteous]

Originally Posted by copperx

I'm sorry to ruin your party, but they don't model any non-linearities at all. Not in the SSL bunch. Not in the API stuff.

I've wondered about this. So, they are just modeling linear frequency, bandwidth, phase, and the interface? Of course, dynamics are inherently non-linear, but we're talking about distortion and saturation characteristics not being modeled - or at least only being modeled linearly.

It doesn't seem like that would get you too far for tape simulation. I've tried some different tape IR's, and they're lacking for this very reason. The Waves SSL Channel does have some sort of a limiter on the output - there is a video from the last NAMM where this was mentioned - non-linear, but probably not so much "modeled."

[OldSkool]

Originally Posted by Coyoteous

I've wondered about this. So, they are just modeling linear frequency, bandwidth, phase, and the interface? Of course, dynamics are inherently non-linear, but we're talking about distortion and saturation characteristics not being modeled - or at least only being modeled linearly.

It doesn't seem like that would get you too far for tape simulation. I've tried some different tape IR's, and they're lacking for this very reason. The Waves SSL Channel does have some sort of a limiter on the output - there is a video from the last NAMM where this was mentioned - non-linear, but probably not so much "modeled."

Hmm, maybe Sonalksis should take this on then - their coding guru is about finished his PhD in nonlinear systems theory.

[OldSkool]

Many minutes of fun yet time-wasting googling have shown that Gearslutz is the ONLY place on the Net that mentions a Waves tape or Waves Studer plug. Can anyone confirm in a real kind of way that this thing is in the works?

[Farshad]

I was actually thinking about this recently. No news yet? I hope we hear something in the summer show. If it exists and is in the same league as their SSL and API stuff, I'm in!

[OldSkool]

Originally Posted by Farshad

I was actually thinking about this recently. No news yet? I hope we hear something in the summer show. If it exists and is in the same league as their SSL and API stuff, I'm in!

We're on the same page mate. So how's Spring in Hogtown? Just brutal on the coast I can tell you.

[feck]

With as many great plugs as Waves has done in the past, am I the only one who finds it strange that they haven't come out with anything new since the API collection? In the technology business, being ahead of the curve is the way companies stay on top. Come on Waves, come out with something new already. Repackaging old plugins as new collections is bogus and does little to keep a reputation solid.

[pigcat]

Perhaps it's gonna be convolution/algorithm hybrid? I don't mind paying the expenses of extra CPU usage, but if they can come out with great tape emulation without using convolution, that'll be really great.

I hope it's the same of what happened during the launch of API, all was out of a sudden, no annoucement, no hypes, nothing.

We'll see about it.

Oh, and keep this thread clean from waves hater...

[OldSkool]

Originally Posted by pigcat

Oh, and keep this thread clean from waves hater...

That'd be refreshing.

[Farshad]

Originally Posted by pigcat

Perhaps it's gonna be convolution/algorithm hybrid? I don't mind paying the expenses of extra CPU usage, but if they can come out with great tape emulation without using convolution, that'll be really great.

I am positive that it will happen. Sooner or later. Their SSL, V and API all have non linearities. If you put the plugs on a channel with no audio content and push the output fader, at different gains you get different patterns of noise. It is visible in a spectrum analyzer. I am sure they can and will do the tape thing.

[Farshad]

Originally Posted by OldSkool

We're on the same page mate. So how's Spring in Hogtown? Just brutal on the coast I can tell you.

Hi, not too bad here. After a long and brutal winter, we finally got to see the spring. How are things there?

[AshleySmith06]

Any news on a waves tape em.. plug?

[OldSkool]

Originally Posted by Farshad

Hi, not too bad here. After a long and brutal winter, we finally got to see the spring. How are things there?

Spring is cold and damp so far, below normals almost every day. David Suzuki must be very frustrated. :)

[Farshad]

Originally Posted by OldSkool

David Suzuki must be very frustrated. :)

LOL

[OldSkool]

BTW Farshad - I remember you're the original poster here - can you please get into specifics of what your friend saw/heard? Was it from a Waves rep? Or just some scuttlebutt that was overheard? Curious...thanks.

[AMIEL]

Originally Posted by nucelar

Beware!! This is a trap!!!
This "tape" plug-in will secretly record everything you do in your studio and report back to Waves headquarters. (Evidence in pristine Studer quality)

Yeah!! will be developed with the Mossad...this is why will be awesome!

[wakestyle]

what did you guys think of steinberg/?? tape drive a while back?? Came with cubase 3??

(not magneto)

[elambo]

Thread almost 8 months old with no evidence beyond rumor. No mention of this anywhere else on the net. Vaporware.

[JPeters86]

Too bad... perhaps one day

[Silver Sonya]

Originally Posted by JPeters86

Too bad... perhaps one day

I love the fact that this thread has exclamation points in the title, as if it's an exciting announcement.

- c

[JPeters86]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

I love the fact that this thread has exclamation points in the title, as if it's an exciting announcement.

- c

Yeah that's why this is kinda disappointing...

[Farshad]

Originally Posted by OldSkool

BTW Farshad - I remember you're the original poster here - can you please get into specifics of what your friend saw/heard? Was it from a Waves rep? Or just some scuttlebutt that was overheard? Curious...thanks.

I don't think he talked to a Waves rep. They usually do not give away secrets. I recall he mentioned that it is (or will be) based a specific tape machine (Studer) rather than emulating different machines.

Given the recent series of Waves modelling products (Neve, API, SSL, Amps and cabinets) we both thought it would be the next logical move for them.

I really hope it is not a vaporware. Better late than never...

[Farshad]

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

I love the fact that this thread has exclamation points in the title, as if it's an exciting announcement.

- c

Right on. I recall I was so excited at that point but nothing yet...

[pigcat]

If you guys remember, Waves API wasn't even rumored, it just pop'ed out all of a sudden.

So who knows?

By the way I wouldn't hold my breath, I'm satisfied with Massey Tape Head and I hardly imagine I would buy Waves unless they sound even better than that.

[Chaellus]

tritone is my favorite so far for this

[noiseflaw]

Originally Posted by Chaellus

tritone is my favorite so far for this

And even they gave up the ghost on their Tape Emulation plug. I guess it was a hurdle just too high for them.

Let us see if Waves have something up their sleeves... If they do I think it will be very useful and I will most probably but it, depending on how much it is of course.

No doubt if they do produce one they will have spent a massive amount of time on trying to get it right, and it will be good.

There will of course be the usual Waves 'Naysayers', and WUP haters - but the rest of us will just buy it, use it and enjoy it.

[lukejay]

i may cry if this product ever comes out (tears of joy that is)
altho i'm quite satisfied with psp's saturator.

Sam.

[JPeters86]

Yeah PSP's thing kicks ass, but the guys at Waves are freaking geniuses when it comes to modelling of analog equipment. Their sales and financial department should be scheduled for a reorganization though.