Analog BBD multiband guitar pedal

[Tibbon]

Please see the most recent information on Delay Daddy, coming soon

I am releasing an analog multiband delay pedal. Adjustable delay and feedback time per band (3 of them). LFOs to control the delay times and feedback. CV in/outs as an option.

The cost right now is slated to be between $450-750. Mostly hand made, by myself in Boston. I have been talking with an artist about hand painting a series of them (yes, I am shamelessly ripping off zvex there, but they won't be in Hammond cases).

I have no sound clips yet of it, but they will be coming soon

Check my website frequently, as I will have updates often there.

Update 1: Thanks to George Nichola's wonderful suggestion it is now known as the Delay-Daddy!

Update 2: I have someone that I'm going to be working with a consultant on some (most) of the details of this. Thanks to him in advance.

[gfx]

Hey ,

Sounds interesting!

im a big lover of bbd's in all their lovelyness.

Very interested in getting one once you get the box sorted out.

any pics to go with the lil demos?

:)

G

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by gfx

Hey ,

Sounds interesting!

im a big lover of bbd's in all their lovelyness.

Very interested in getting one once you get the box sorted out.

any pics to go with the lil demos?

:)

G

You'd be scared if you saw the pics so far. It isn't in a proper case yet, and it's being breadboarded heavily to make sure its done right. PCBs being made sooo soon. Learning EagleCad is like relearning Protools AND Logic AND 2" tape in 2 weeks.

I am very excited about this. Since I graduated from Berklee, I haven't done much musically asides from play in a few silly musicals and do some concert photography. Now that i'm getting back in the studio, and stuff I just can't stop. I was up until 2am last night working recording stuff (much I'm sure to the joy of my neighbors).

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by big country

hey let me know if you need a box for it
let me know the demisions that you want
and send me a hole patern

Do you do metal casting, or plastic molding? That sounds interesting.

[Tibbon]

Thanks for the offer. I think I'm still going with the aluminum enclosures for a variety of reasons. I appreciate the enthusiasm however. The first few pedals have been spoken for already by some people that I know will end up showcasing them rather well.

My goal is to have some photos, mockups, and sound clips available for when I'm at AES. I won't be carrying a prototype with me however, since I'm flying to Italy right after AES and flying with a funny box of wires that's hard to explain just doesn't go over so well these days. My laptop and camera are hard enough.

I will likely have ones for public consumption available in Mid-December it's looking like.

UPDATE: This is no longer valid. Late spring at best. Not using standard pedal cases either.

[Jazzpunk]

Congrats Tibbon! Sounds cool.

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by big country

I can line the inside with aluminum

I'm guessing you want aluminum for RF

I think I still have some aluminum impregnated paint
but I also have sheet aluminum laying around
I could line the inside with it


If your serious about selling thees things Ill do the first one for free

It will look allot better than a aluminum box

Ill take some pictures of some of the slit woods I have made
if your interested

RF rejection is a reason, but I have other reasons as well to not go with wood. I've got that part pretty well planned out and taken care of at the moment. Thanks though.

[Crandall1]

A wooden box would be ludicrous for use on stage. All aesthetics aside, guitar pedals need to fulfill one function, and that is getting stepped on in the dark.

[George Necola]

delay-daddy in diffrent handpainted-editions:

- black => funeral-edition
- pink => reservoir-edition
- flowers => LSD-edition
.. and so on



to be honest, I dont like the samples.. maybe due to lack of good playing.. use a metronom and time the stuff.. sounds a bit.. confusing.

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by George Necola

delay-daddy in diffrent handpainted-editions:

- black => funeral-edition
- pink => reservoir-edition
- flowers => LSD-edition
.. and so on



to be honest, I dont like the samples.. maybe due to lack of good playing.. use a metronom and time the stuff.. sounds a bit.. confusing.

Hey George. I'm actually going to remove those for the time being. My playing was horrid, and it's not even at all of the final pedal, just an example of what it could possibly be. I should learn to put my best foot forward and not get overly excited.

Can I use the name Delay-Daddy? I like it.

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

Hey George. I'm actually going to remove those for the time being. My playing was horrid, and it's not even at all of the final pedal, just an example of what it could possibly be. I should learn to put my best foot forward and not get overly excited.

Can I use the name Delay-Daddy? I like it.

you know.. you need to send me one to switzerland in the special George-edition.



yes, use it

cheers

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by George Necola

you know.. you need to send me one to switzerland in the special George-edition.



yes, use it

cheers

Ok, unless some other company pops out of the woodwork and starts says they were using it (couldn't find any in a Google Search) then it is now known as the Delay Daddy.

And yes George, whenever it's done there will be done sent to you. Swiss flag and all painted on it.

[George Necola]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

Swiss flag and all painted on it.

I prefer the mercenary edition with a pinup girl ...





wearing only a swissflag.. ok..

that is a bit too much ;)


send me a mail please, we can work something out ;)

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by George Necola

I prefer the mercenary edition with a pinup girl ...





wearing only a swissflag.. ok..

that is a bit too much ;)


send me a mail please, we can work something out ;)

Oh, that's exactly what we will get you. This is too funny for so many reasons. Now I guess I have to get the artist that I was trying to get. Details revealed when I have photos of it . I can barely stop laughing.

[Jazzpunk]

This thing going to be synth friendly? How noisy is it?

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

This thing going to be synth friendly? How noisy is it?

Very synth friendly. 3 LFOs with CV outs, and CV in (although perhaps on a breakout box)

Noise is a problem that I am working hard against, but due to the nature of using several BBD chips in parallel there may be a little. Doing everything humanly possible to combat the noise.

[Tibbon]

Updates:

Found someone I think to help me with the electronics end a little bit, as I hit a brick wall or two. He can chime in here if he wants to.

Working on case ideas and getting that design part taken care of. Just trying to refine everything.

[initialsBB]

Have you used a Blacet Time Machine? If so, is your pedal in the same ballpark? I'm thinking of getting rid of my Blacet rack and that's one module that I need a good replacement for.

Is the cutoff of the 3 bands adjustable or better yet, bypassable? It would be cool if it could be switched into a mode that gave 3 full bandwidth delay lines. Is there a separate cv input for the delay time of each band? If you set the delay time of each band close enough together can it sound like a single band delay? Sorry for so many questions, I'm just curious if this is a good all around analog delay or if it's mostly aimed at doing modulated chorusy type effects.

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by initialsBB

Have you used a Blacet Time Machine? If so, is your pedal in the same ballpark? I'm thinking of getting rid of my Blacet rack and that's one module that I need a good replacement for.

Is the cutoff of the 3 bands adjustable or better yet, bypassable? It would be cool if it could be switched into a mode that gave 3 full bandwidth delay lines. Is there a separate cv input for the delay time of each band? If you set the delay time of each band close enough together can it sound like a single band delay? Sorry for so many questions, I'm just curious if this is a good all around analog delay or if it's mostly aimed at doing modulated chorusy type effects.

I was thinking about having the cutoffs to be tunable. I might leave mini pots inside for tuning, but in general it will be fixed. They will be in a range, and tunable by a % but perhaps not over a huge range.

You will be able to switch a "no filter" mode that will bypass the filters and have three BBD delays. The only downside to this, is that there "may" be different numbers of BBD chips depending on the channel. The low frequency channel doesn't need as many stages, since it can clock much slower and hack the high frequncies off. Keeping fewer chips in the circuit will help cut down on noise. I'm using the Cool Audio MN3205 clone at the moment in testing, which is a 4096 stage BBD. A single one of them should be perfect for the low frequency band being less than 1khz in bandwidth and still having a very long delay.

Each delay time will be CV controllable.

You should be able to set them all 'pretty close' to each other to sound like a single delay, but there might be some chorusing on them if there is any difference at all, which could be cool. What I would do instead, would be to put it in filter bypass mode, and then turn down the gain on two of the channels, to have only a single delay going. This should cut down on noise significantly too.

I have not tried the Blacet delay, but mine is looking to be similar with a few less CV features (not every knob will have CV or I will have more jacks than a Moog Voyager on it). If you REALLY wanted it, I'm sure I could build it for you like that, but it's not going to be small

Keep asking questions, and your wishes may be granted.

[thenoiseflower]

I want one (or two)
I'd like as much CV control as possible.

I pm'ed you my email tibbon, DROP A LINE.

[TAVD]

I'm most definitely interested in getting one of these too.
I'm on waiting lists for a few pedals right now and it's painful, so I don't want to hear too much about this one until it's further along.

[initialsBB]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

You will be able to switch a "no filter" mode that will bypass the filters and have three BBD delays.

Awesome!

Originally Posted by Tibbon

The only downside to this, is that there "may" be different numbers of BBD chips depending on the channel. The low frequency channel doesn't need as many stages, since it can clock much slower and hack the high frequncies off.

That would be fine. For example, the lofi channel could be used for a chorusy effect, the mid for a short slapback and the high for a longer delay. I would love to be able to do that all in one pedal.

Of course that leads me to the next question which I left out of the original post -- any possibility of individual outputs from each stage? That would be amazing. I may be asking for too much though.

Also, how are you handling the wet/dry situation? Individual level controls for each band plus a dry level? Or one master wet/dry for the whole thing?

Originally Posted by Tibbon

You should be able to set them all 'pretty close' to each other to sound like a single delay, but there might be some chorusing on them if there is any difference at all, which could be cool.

That sounds like it would be a cool effect but the filter bypass is basically what I was asking about. I just wasn't sure if this was meant to be a modulation effect only or if it was usable for typical delay duties as well.

Originally Posted by Tibbon

I have not tried the Blacet delay, but mine is looking to be similar with a few less CV features (not every knob will have CV or I will have more jacks than a Moog Voyager on it). If you REALLY wanted it, I'm sure I could build it for you like that, but it's not going to be small

Personally the only CV input I find useful on the Blacet is the delay time CV. A wet/dry mix CV would have been nice but he didn't include that. I find the feedback CV to be difficult to impossible to use since it's hard to avoid having it blow up into feedback. Plus even if it's carefully set it just doesn't seem that noticeable or musically useful to me. Of course it could be a totally different story with your delay.

I can't wait to hear it

[Tibbon]

There will be wet/dry mix on each channel.

There is a possibility that after the first model is refined well, that a much more basic (and cheaper!) model would be available with a few less options, no CV, etc... some people I understand just need the multiband delay only, and already have standard digital and bbd delays for workhorse duty.

Individual outs is something I considered. Space on the back panel is just getting tight, so I might have to get a little creative here. I am trying to get in touch with someone about perhaps having custom cases cast. I personally want one that is made of copper so that it ages uniquely, like an old copper pot. But that's just me. I figure that the Toneczar pedal has a super shiny case, and mine is very different from that.

[robd]

CV rocks

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by robd

CV rocks

It does! My main reasons for having it, is that it allows you to take almost any very simple object (like a ring modulator or VCA) and do some really neat things with it. With a pedal like this, even more is possible. This would allow very easy interaction with non-traditional controllers, expression pedals, Moog pedals, synths, modulars, etc..

A delay is interesting, but when you put an S/H circuit to modify one of the delay times, and an LFO to modulate another... things will just get nuts in a way that you can't generally do. Noise, glitching, weirdness, textures and hopefully something musical will be the product.

[TAVD]

Originally Posted by robd

CV rocks

Yes! Finally, another cool pedal to use with my Frostwave spacebeam.

[Tibbon]

Got a new website:
Delay Daddy, coming soon

Updates and details coming soon. It's getting cooler, but I don't want to give away details.