Shane Wilson's Guide to Mixing

chrisgraff · 25th June 2007, 03:03 AM

I'm glad to share a preview of the new Audioinstruction DVD: Shane Wilson's Guide to Mixing. The clips feature a discussion between Shane, Russ Long, and Lynn Fuston, regarding the method of printing Shane's final mix.

These are taken from the bonus chapter section of the DVD. Let me apologize in advance for the very low res quality of these clips, (youtube only accepts clips under 17meg

)

Part one:

YouTube - Conversation - part 1

Part two:

YouTube - Conversation - part 2

Mike Jasper · 25th June 2007, 09:24 AM

Cool.

But I totally disagree with the approach. I think each mix should be optimized for whatever medium it's going to -- tape, digital, in the box, to Masterlink, whatever. It's not science, it's art. And in the real world you're going to go for the best sound you can get. Not to mention this scenario gives 1/2-inch tape the advantage.

But I'm usually in the minority in these arguments.

Jasper

jakes · 25th June 2007, 04:33 PM

I want it now

jakes

kellyd · 25th June 2007, 08:06 PM

I think they should have monitored off the console and then listen to how much each format changed the mix. Monitoring off tape is really going to change things, not fair for the digital end. At that point it's like, well the tape version sounds more like the mix. That's the format you mixed for and the mix you heard when you were mixing. Am I missing something?

chrisgraff · 26th June 2007, 12:52 AM

Both valid opinions. In the past, the mix-path-comparison-debate has boiled down into two prevailing camps:

1.) Alter the mix to individually suit each mix path, so that no one path will have an advantage over the other.

2.) Print the same mix through each mix path, so the only variable is the mix path itself.

Now, I should tell you that the purpose of the DVD was to observe Shane working in realtime, without any interference from us. Shane happens to prefer monitoring from the console, only referencing the final mix path at the end. He also happens to prefer mixing to his ATR-102; of course, the addition of the tape machine may have warranted adjustments. If he made any, I'm sure they were small.

We printed the same mix through eight different mix paths. Maybe we should post a couple audio files...stoke the flame a little more!

kellyd · 26th June 2007, 02:24 AM

I'd be curious to know what the 8 paths were.

tekn0 · 26th June 2007, 03:42 AM

any eta on when the dvd will be released ??

Yetti · 26th June 2007, 04:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisgraff

I'm glad to share a preview of the new Audioinstruction DVD: Shane Wilson's Guide to Mixing. The clips feature a discussion between Shane, Russ Long, and Lynn Fuston, regarding the method of printing Shane's final mix.

YouTube - Conversation - part 1

Part two:

YouTube - Conversation - part 2

A discussion?
Conversation?
Lynn allows 1/10th of a word before lowing them in the mix.

chrisgraff · 26th June 2007, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tekn0

any eta on when the dvd will be released ??

We are currently estimating the ship date to be August 1st. Pre-ordering will begin around July 5th.

jakes · 27th June 2007, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisgraff

We are currently estimating the ship date to be August 1st. Pre-ordering will begin around July 5th.

Juuhuuu, that day is my birthday - perfect

chrisgraff · 6th July 2007, 07:39 AM

The DVD is now pre-selling...see thread here:

Shane Wilson's Guide to Mixing - Pre-Sale!

ricfoxx · 6th July 2007, 01:28 PM

I will pick this up but not because of the preview clips. Those were hard to watch! The guys I wanted to hear were saying nothing and the guy that was talking, everytime the other guys would offer into the discussion, he would cut them off.

Is the whole DVD like that!

Randall · 6th July 2007, 01:52 PM

send me one.. everybody knows I'll spill the no punches with-held truth.
Randall
1401 Martin ave.
Sheffield Al. 35660

3rdeyeKnight · 7th July 2007, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricfoxx

The guys I wanted to hear were saying nothing and the guy that was talking, everytime the other guys would offer into the discussion, he would cut them off.

Yeah, I picked up on that as well. I thought it was kind of funny though. I can sense that Lynn Fuston is from the old school of studio-etiquette and teaching practices. There will be no sudden outbursts or raising of the hands. You will more than likely have all of your questions answered during the course of this lecture. So please...

*lol* All jokes aside though, I am looking forward to this DVD. I think I'll go ahead and take advantage of this pre-order discount and save myself a little gas-money.

**Jules** · 7th July 2007, 09:49 AM

Ha! Thats Lynn Fuston on the right in the first video!

scking · 11th July 2007, 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jules

Ha! Thats Lynn Fuston on the right in the first video!

The way he was dressed, I thought he was some sort of referee. :)

Lynn Fuston · 17th July 2007, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricfoxx

I will pick this up but not because of the preview clips. Those were hard to watch! The guys I wanted to hear were saying nothing and the guy that was talking, everytime the other guys would offer into the discussion, he would cut them off.

Is the whole DVD like that!

What you are seeing in these preview clips is NOT the actual main DVD content. You are seeing portions of the bonus material. You will NOT see Lynn Fuston mixing or talking or interrupting on the Shane Wilson portion of the DVD. What you WILL see in the linked clips is a portion where Russ asked me to come in and comment on the methodology which is why I am offering my opinions. If you want to see Shane mix, then buy the DVD and skip the bonus material. That's my suggestion.

I only offer this clarification because I want people to know that these clips do NOT represent what the majority of the DVD contains.

ricfoxx · 17th July 2007, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynn Fuston

What you are seeing in these preview clips is NOT the actual main DVD content. You are seeing portions of the bonus material. You will NOT see Lynn Fuston mixing or talking or interrupting on the Shane Wilson portion of the DVD. What you WILL see in the linked clips is a portion where Russ asked me to come in and comment on the methodology which is why I am offering my opinions. If you want to see Shane mix, then buy the DVD and skip the bonus material. That's my suggestion.

I only offer this clarification because I want people to know that these clips do NOT represent what the majority of the DVD contains.

Lynn,

I know my comment sounded pretty harsh, and I apologize if it came off that way but, these clips were solicited as previews of the DVD and if I were using these clips to determine the purchase, I would not buy!

I am excited about the DVD though and will probably purchase.

Peace and Compassion with Justice,
Ric

Lynn Fuston · 17th July 2007, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricfoxx

Lynn,

I know my comment sounded pretty harsh, and I apologize if it came off that way

Hey, thick skin 'r' us. No worries.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricfoxx

but, these clips were solicited as previews of the DVD and if I were using these clips to determine the purchase, I would not buy!

Right. That's why I want people to know that these are only representative of about 2% of the DVD's contents and should not be taken as an indication of the content of the whole. I've watched the whole three hours and it's good stuff. And I don't interrupt once. On that part, anyway.

chrisgraff · 17th July 2007, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynn Fuston

What you are seeing in these preview clips is NOT the actual main DVD content. You are seeing portions of the bonus material. You will NOT see Lynn Fuston mixing or talking or interrupting on the Shane Wilson portion of the DVD. What you WILL see in the linked clips is a portion where Russ asked me to come in and comment on the methodology which is why I am offering my opinions. If you want to see Shane mix, then buy the DVD and skip the bonus material. That's my suggestion.

I only offer this clarification because I want people to know that these clips do NOT represent what the majority of the DVD contains.

Thank you, Lynn, for clarifying that. I found the discussion fascinating, especially taken in context with the main three hour program.

What's really interesting, is to examine the spectrafoo snapshots of each mix printing. The snapshots, included on the data DVD, are a graphical representation of each version. To listen to each mix, while considering the data (freq. response, etc.) is an eye opener for sure.

There would've been little point to include this element, without credible methodology. Lynn very graciously offered his time and expertise on this release, and it's prequel, (S.W. guide to tracking). For that, we are indebted to him.

Thank you, Lynn!!

ricfoxx · 17th July 2007, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisgraff

Thank you, Lynn, for clarifying that. I found the discussion fascinating, especially taken in context with the main three hour program.

What's really interesting, is to examine the spectrafoo snapshots of each mix printing. The snapshots, included on the data DVD, are a graphical representation of each version. To listen to each mix, while considering the data (freq. response, etc.) is an eye opener for sure.

There would've been little point to include this element, without credible methodology. Lynn very graciously offered his time and expertise on this release, and it's prequel, (S.W. guide to tracking). For that, we are indebted to him.

Thank you, Lynn!!

The interview will probably take on a different meaning after I watch the the main content of the DVD and I will say, "OH, thats why they previewed those clips." At least I hope so.

chrisgraff · 21st July 2007, 09:42 PM

Trailer now on YouTube:

<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/49nZ65dIhGc"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/49nZ65dIhGc" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

tekn0 · 21st July 2007, 10:06 PM

I guess the next big question is in what style is the song being mixed on the dvd? :)

chrisgraff · 21st July 2007, 10:41 PM

The featured artist on the DVD is Andrew Osenga. You can listen to clips of his music on his website:

www.andrewosenga.com

matta · 22nd July 2007, 08:59 AM

Or alternativly use this URL: AndrewOsenga.com, he has a great sense of humour...

I've worked with Andy on couple sessions and besides being one heck of a songwriter he is also one of the most versatile session guitarists I've worked with.

I assisted 2 sessions with him early this year in Nashvegas, one an indie singer-songwriter from NJ now based in CA called Dean Guvera and the other Andy's other band, Caedmon's Call whose album 'Overdressed' hits store in August, mixed by none-other than Mr. Wilson.

Chris, well done on the trailer, the DVD looks great. Hope I get to watch it sometime.

Regards

Matt

True North · 1st August 2007, 04:35 AM

Hey Chris

Just wondering when these puppies will be ready to ship, thanks.

Rob

chrisgraff · 1st August 2007, 06:30 AM

Hi Rob,

We expect to have these out by the end of August. PAL copies may take just a bit longer, as the quality-control will take longer.

Hope this helps!

Fuel · 21st October 2007, 11:30 PM

Lynn where did you buy your shirt that you wear at the video? ????????

Lynn Fuston · 22nd October 2007, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fuel

Lynn where did you buy your shirt that you wear at the video? ????????

That woud be "Referee's 'R' Us."

;-)

(Actually, you can blame Ralph Lauren for that one. What does he know about studio attire?)

**George Necola** · 22nd October 2007, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randall

send me one.. everybody knows I'll spill the no punches with-held truth.
Randall
1401 Martin ave.
Sheffield Al. 35660

now we know where you live Randall!!!

you have to behave nice now

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25th June 2007, 03:03 AM	#1
chrisgraff Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 339	Shane Wilson's Guide to Mixing I'm glad to share a preview of the new Audioinstruction DVD: Shane Wilson's Guide to Mixing. The clips feature a discussion between Shane, Russ Long, and Lynn Fuston, regarding the method of printing Shane's final mix. These are taken from the bonus chapter section of the DVD. Let me apologize in advance for the very low res quality of these clips, (youtube only accepts clips under 17meg ) Part one: YouTube - Conversation - part 1 Part two: YouTube - Conversation - part 2 __________________ -Chris Graff www.audioinstruction.com

26th June 2007, 12:52 AM	#5
chrisgraff Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 339	Both valid opinions. In the past, the mix-path-comparison-debate has boiled down into two prevailing camps: 1.) Alter the mix to individually suit each mix path, so that no one path will have an advantage over the other. 2.) Print the same mix through each mix path, so the only variable is the mix path itself. Now, I should tell you that the purpose of the DVD was to observe Shane working in realtime, without any interference from us. Shane happens to prefer monitoring from the console, only referencing the final mix path at the end. He also happens to prefer mixing to his ATR-102; of course, the addition of the tape machine may have warranted adjustments. If he made any, I'm sure they were small. We printed the same mix through eight different mix paths. Maybe we should post a couple audio files...stoke the flame a little more! __________________ -Chris Graff www.audioinstruction.com

6th July 2007, 07:39 AM	#11
chrisgraff Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 339	The DVD is now pre-selling...see thread here: Shane Wilson's Guide to Mixing - Pre-Sale! __________________ -Chris Graff www.audioinstruction.com

6th July 2007, 01:28 PM	#12
ricfoxx Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 356	Preview Clips I will pick this up but not because of the preview clips. Those were hard to watch! The guys I wanted to hear were saying nothing and the guy that was talking, everytime the other guys would offer into the discussion, he would cut them off. Is the whole DVD like that!

25th June 2007, 09:24 AM	#2
Mike Jasper Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,341	Cool. But I totally disagree with the approach. I think each mix should be optimized for whatever medium it's going to -- tape, digital, in the box, to Masterlink, whatever. It's not science, it's art. And in the real world you're going to go for the best sound you can get. Not to mention this scenario gives 1/2-inch tape the advantage. But I'm usually in the minority in these arguments. Jasper

25th June 2007, 04:33 PM	#3
jakes Gear Head Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 35	I want it now jakes

25th June 2007, 08:06 PM	#4
kellyd Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Austin Posts: 1,006	I think they should have monitored off the console and then listen to how much each format changed the mix. Monitoring off tape is really going to change things, not fair for the digital end. At that point it's like, well the tape version sounds more like the mix. That's the format you mixed for and the mix you heard when you were mixing. Am I missing something?

26th June 2007, 02:24 AM	#6
kellyd Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Austin Posts: 1,006	I'd be curious to know what the 8 paths were.

26th June 2007, 03:42 AM	#7
tekn0 Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 239	any eta on when the dvd will be released ??

6th July 2007, 01:52 PM	#13
Randall Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Muscle Shoals Posts: 4,242	send me one.. everybody knows I'll spill the no punches with-held truth. Randall 1401 Martin ave. Sheffield Al. 35660

7th July 2007, 09:49 AM	#15
Jules Gearslutz.com admin Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: London, UK Posts: 12,541	Ha! Thats Lynn Fuston on the right in the first video! __________________ Jules "screw it I'm starting another overhead thread" - KeithMoonwannabe

21st July 2007, 09:42 PM	#22
chrisgraff Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 339	Trailer now on YouTube: <object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/49nZ65dIhGc"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/49nZ65dIhGc" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

21st July 2007, 10:06 PM	#23
tekn0 Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 239	I guess the next big question is in what style is the song being mixed on the dvd? :)

21st July 2007, 10:41 PM	#24
chrisgraff Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 339	The featured artist on the DVD is Andrew Osenga. You can listen to clips of his music on his website: www.andrewosenga.com __________________ -Chris Graff www.audioinstruction.com

22nd July 2007, 08:59 AM	#25
matta Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Cape Town, South Africa Posts: 509	Or alternativly use this URL: AndrewOsenga.com, he has a great sense of humour... I've worked with Andy on couple sessions and besides being one heck of a songwriter he is also one of the most versatile session guitarists I've worked with. I assisted 2 sessions with him early this year in Nashvegas, one an indie singer-songwriter from NJ now based in CA called Dean Guvera and the other Andy's other band, Caedmon's Call whose album 'Overdressed' hits store in August, mixed by none-other than Mr. Wilson. Chris, well done on the trailer, the DVD looks great. Hope I get to watch it sometime. Regards Matt __________________ Matt Allison Studio Owner / Mad Scientist www.dockyardstudios.com www.ashtonaudio.com

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True North Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 2,503	Hey Chris Just wondering when these puppies will be ready to ship, thanks. Rob __________________ "In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey" - Beck, Loser "I do use compressors/limiters but not for controlling dynamics, I use EQ for that!" Jp22 (damn I miss him) "Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance." -- Will Durant, historian (1885-1981) "I try to get a boom out of the bass drum, in one of my albums, my CD, boom, I try to get that big boom, I could not get a big boom, I paid bucks, and could not get the boom" - Recording Expert, Tad Donley

1st August 2007, 06:30 AM	#27
chrisgraff Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 339	Hi Rob, We expect to have these out by the end of August. PAL copies may take just a bit longer, as the quality-control will take longer. Hope this helps! __________________ -Chris Graff www.audioinstruction.com

21st October 2007, 11:30 PM	#28
Fuel Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 264	Lynn where did you buy your shirt that you wear at the video? ????????