Lynx AES16e PCI Express card!

[Sequoia Berlin]

[quote=nativeaudio;2014960
Does the driver support recording @ 96 kHz - using the 32 buffer - without getting artifacts? That's not possible on a RME Fireface 800...
[/QUOTE]

That's apples with pears. You still get the most efficient latencies for audio devices that are attached over PCI(e). That means: latency vs. CPU hit involved.

Regards,

Sebastian

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by Sequoia Berlin

That's apples with pears. You still get the most efficient latencies for audio devices that are attached over PCI(e). That means: latency vs. CPU hit involved.

Regards,

Sebastian

PCIe is of course better then FW when it comes to latency, but it's still important to know if it's actually possible to use the buffer sizes/sample rates required to get the lowest latencies...

[soebx]

Originally Posted by David Hoatson

Sample Rate Conversion does two things:

1) Allows the Digital Input to run at a different rate than the Project Rate. This means if you have an external device that is running at 88.2kHz, you can have your project rate set to 96kHz and it will still work OK. Without SRC you would have to run your Project Rate at the same sample rate as the Digital Input (and external device).

2) Allows you to have more than one clock domain present in a digital system. Normally only one device can be the clock master in a digital system, but with SRC you can have more than one clock domain and the sample rate converter will keep everything OK.

Of course there is a price to pay for everything, and Sample Rate Conversion does effect the audio quality. However the SRC on the AES16e-SRC has 144dB dynamic range, so I doubt you could actually hear any artifacts from the SRC.

By the way, the first AES16e cards shipped to customers today.

Thank you,

David A. Hoatson
Lynx Studio Technology, Inc.

thank you for explaining it!

[dubrichie]

YO!

mine shipped from Vintage King TODAY!

will post when i have used it, gimme a week or so.

[tazman]

I got mine yesterday but can't test it cause I still have not received the DB25 to XLR snakes to connect the AURORA 16 to the I/O's...

[sysexguy]

Quick question, will an AES-16e and an AES-16e SRC coexist in the same computer (once released)...ie 16 ch connect to an Aurora and 17 other AES channels that may require src?

TIA,

Andy

[Nu-tra]

I got mine yesterday. Gonna hook it up later today!

It's a XMAS miracle in May!

[CorkyTart]

Originally Posted by sysexguy

Quick question, will an AES-16e and an AES-16e SRC coexist in the same computer (once released)...ie 16 ch connect to an Aurora and 17 other AES channels that may require src?

TIA,

Andy

I asked the same question on the lynx board and one of the guys said yes.

[averver]

I got my Lynx AES16e card today. To use it I need a PCI express to Expresscard adapter so I can hook it to my MacBook Pro. I know that one option is the Magma ExpressBox but, having owned a Magma PCI expansion chassis, I would like to stay away from them if possible. Does anyone know of another option? I only need to use a single PCIe card (7 expansion slots are overkill) and I would prefer an expansion chassis without a fan.

Thanks.

[Nu-tra]

Man the lynx mixer is confusing....

[ImJohn]

Originally Posted by Nu-tra

Man the lynx mixer is confusing....

I find the RME mixer more confusing but I've used Lynx for years. Feel free to ask questions etc.

[steveschizoid]

I thought they were going to redesign the mixer for the AESe! All those rows and columns of R1L and P7R are pretty tough to look at and deal with quickly. If they would allow you even just rename the main output busses it would help so much. Perhaps Lynx is so small that they have no department for dumbing down their driver interfaces - the design engineers are the same guys who write the code, and they are fine with deciphering rows and columns of numbers and letters. It's a small price to pay though for a rock solid, high quality system with great tech support. If you don't like the way it looks, you can call and let the guy who designed it explain why it was done that way. And it does get easier to deal with over time.

[CoteRotie]

Originally Posted by Nu-tra

Man the lynx mixer is confusing....

Functionally the Lynx mixer is good once you get used to it. The GUI could use some work since it's difficult to move some of the small sliders with the mouse, and the window management could be better.

A few additional features like a little button to group the stereo faders or a way to bind hotkeys to switch saved mixer scenarios AND A HOTKEY TO LOCK AND UNLOCK MIXER SETTINGS would be nice too.

Regards,

John

[David Spearritt]

Originally Posted by Nu-tra

Man the lynx mixer is confusing....

Indeed it is, very. Its the single important reason I sold the Aurora and bought a TC SK48. This mixer is outstanding, ergonomically superb. Some have had driver problems with the Konnekts I have not.
http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/SK...Screenshot.jpg

[drmad69]

So, for all of you that purchased the new card...

Many of us are wondering if it still has the nasty driver bug that the PCI cards do...

Bring up nuendo/cubase and the lynx mixer. Start playback.

minimize the nuendo or cubase window (full minimize). Remaximize,

do this between 5 -10 times. Check lynx mixer. Are there any dropouts?

Here is the explanation of the nasty results if there are.


http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music...-new-post.html

I'm gonna cross post this link to that link too, as it is interesting to know.

Many of us just gave up and jumped the lynx ship.

If you did just buy one, I'd run the test, because if you get a dropout, the only

way to keep from a long painfull existence is to return the card ASAP.

[Nu-tra]

I don't even want to use the mixer. I want to get the settings right so i can just record. Just tried record my acoustic with a stereo mic into my pacifica. It should go to channel 1 and 2 in logic but nope it seems to sum both pacifica outputs to channel 1


Too many weird selections. I guess it's going to take time to get used to. I'm not bashing the product because I don't know how to use it correctly.

Originally Posted by ImJohn

I find the RME mixer more confusing but I've used Lynx for years. Feel free to ask questions etc.

[steveschizoid]

Anyone with an AES16 or AES16e really should follow the Drmad's link, test your system and chime in. I am not willing to badmouth Lynx, because my experience with them and their products has been generally positive. But I do believe there is an issue between the Lynx card and UAD-1's and Cubase. The workaround is simple - check for dropouts before important recording and reset if they occur - but it would really be better if all these products simply worked as advertised.

Nu-tra, have you considered bussing the outs to a mixer or monitoring system such as the Furman HDS? I agree the mixer is a PITB, but you do get used to it, and it is quite functional. The sliders are too blunt an instrument however, it's best to be able to use some sort of real fader or pot when setting up monitor mixes.

[Nu-tra]

I'm using a folcrom. I don't think I need the lynx mixer. I don't think I have the front panel of the aurora set up correctly. Another thing is with logic. I hate the fact that I can't change the outputs on the master out. That's another thread though.

[tazman]

What do you mean you cannot change the outputs to the Master out? I am running SONAR 7. I can assign which ever stereo pair to be the main out.
So far everything seems to be working. I don't run UAD's and I am not running Cubendo. I am not sure if there is a test I need/can do in SONAR.

[drmad69]

So, it has been reported that the aes16e is broken too.

Sorry to all of those of you that just entered the nightmare.

Lynx, Cubase 4 WinXP, multiple UAD users: Can anyone confirm or refute this?

[drmad69]

This link
Lynx, Cubase 4 WinXP, multiple UAD users: Can anyone confirm or refute this?

Also explains why checking before recording doesn't work. It's not accurare.

And especially when summing externally; folcrom or anything, 1 dropout
can unsync your entire session. They fixed the driver a little so
now playback will sometimes stay in sync... but recording doesn't.
So if you have any buss going to analog summing with any kind of a
sister copy, you'll get a phasey mess.

Originally Posted by steveschizoid

Anyone with an AES16 or AES16e really should follow the Drmad's link, test your system and chime in. I am not willing to badmouth Lynx, because my experience with them and their products has been generally positive. But I do believe there is an issue between the Lynx card and UAD-1's and Cubase. The workaround is simple - check for dropouts before important recording and reset if they occur - but it would really be better if all these products simply worked as advertised.

Nu-tra, have you considered bussing the outs to a mixer or monitoring system such as the Furman HDS? I agree the mixer is a PITB, but you do get used to it, and it is quite functional. The sliders are too blunt an instrument however, it's best to be able to use some sort of real fader or pot when setting up monitor mixes.

[djanogil]

Originally Posted by steveschizoid

But I do believe there is an issue between the Lynx card and UAD-1's and Cubase. The workaround is simple - check for dropouts before important recording and reset if they occur - but it would really be better if all these products simply worked as advertised.

hmm that's exactly my setup (on Mac), I was intending to get the AES16e..

[dreamboxstudio]

i was intending to do that as well.

have rosetta and big ben, intend to get lynx aes as well .... this is going to stop me... shall we just get other aes cards ?

or do you guys think that adding RME HDSP 9632 with Apogee's firewire will work better ?

Sorry am still learning....

[drmad69]

That's what PAUL@LYNX told me to do...

After a couple years he gave up and said well;

go buy another card and try it..

I did; it works, there's doesn't.

Right from the horses mouth.

In fact; I believe he has admitted to telling me to do so on

other such posts. :)

[jumper24]

Damm.. Thats bad.....

I do have the aurora16 with the LT-FW, and the firewire interface works VERY VERY VERY bad for me (but im not alone.. many have problems with Lynx LT-FW. see Lynx Support Forum: Aurora 16 FW crackling )

Hmm i think i wait and jump on the RME AES32 instead when its out.

[flute player]

Does anyone have the problem with using Logic, AES16e and UAD-e cards together.
I want to know if I am goinig to expect problems too.


Greetz,


Paul

[George Necola]

this thread is quite funny if you read it from the start

it's september... where is my card.

it's december... where is my card.

it's february... where is my card.

it's late august, I ordered my card, and got it.. and it doesnt work


are lynx drivers that bad?

[Arksun]

So if I understand this correctly, if you have more than one UAD-1 card, don't get the lynx.

If you have 1 UAD card, there may still be a few dropouts so its a questionable buy.

If one uses no UAD card or outboard fx, the Lynx runs just fine?

Seems there's a lot of anti-Lynx talk around giving the impression their drivers suck period, when the reality seems to be more like, they're rock solid and fast UNLESS you run UAD cards.

[Jason West]

Originally Posted by George Necola

are lynx drivers that bad?

Originally Posted by Arksun

Seems there's a lot of anti-Lynx talk around giving the impression their drivers suck period, when the reality seems to be more like, they're rock solid and fast UNLESS you run UAD cards.

No UAD cards here but I have had problems with Lynx cards.

I bought Lynx AES16-SRC in August 2004. In 2004, there were no other cards on the market that had the digital io that it had so i seemed like a no-brainer decision.

I tried it in both Intel P4 and Core2 Duo motherboards. I ran it on dedicated fresh/virgin Windows XP computers in both cases. Updated the latest flash firmware. Updated the latest drivers. But I always had problems and it was not rock-solid.

One simple example of where Lynx drivers crashed was something as simple as playing foobar2000 with ASIO drivers. It would crash every 10 songs or so. However, using RME DIGI9652 or Fireface 400/800 would never crash. Never.

I realize that other big name artists are using the Lynx cards without problems. Perhaps they are stressing it in different ways. (Although my foobar2000 playback test seems like a very lightweight test.) Perhaps they have newer cards with a revised hardware -- a revised hardware that's not reflected in just flashing the firmware. Perhaps they don't even know that they have a problem. Who knows?

This is a Lynx thread so I don't want to give impression that RME is infallible and to bash Lynx. RME has some new PCIe cards in the works and they could release some clunkers of their own. I think the Lynx Aurora converters are good, but their AES16 cards (PCI or PCIe) seems to be big question marks. To be fair, Lynx could release some new flash update or software driver that will fix all the reported problems.

I think we all want the AES16e to work because there's not much of a choice in the marketplace. The equivalent competitor RME HDSPe AES was announced almost a year ago and it's still not released yet. If you want the 16-ch digital io on PCIe card, Lynx is the only product in this price range that's available right now.

[drmad69]

Yeah, same reason I baught one in 2004.

What I did was simple; there is a 5 slot pci model P35-S3G gigabyte;

I believe it has multiple controllers for the slots..


There is little reason to do pci-e except that 99% of the mb's are that way.

This is stated I think on the Lynx and RME pages...

Obviously with Lynx there isn't a performance improvement;

and I think digi says the same thing.


My preference was to use solid verified cards and except of the

marketing built on software limitations of the older digicards;

I have found perfection.

Again, I never had a performance problem with the RME either..

You know; if you're going to go over 16 per card ; or 24 on the 9652

you are right, the only other option is MADI; which too is rock solid.

The only other card I know of that did direct type monitoring support

accross cards was the digi.

The newer SSL cards that were baught by SSL may also do it;

but I can't remember what I found there..


The apogee ones may or may not either..


But again; what's the point; if I'm ASIO only.. yeah, the digi only does 16.

But PT does all the channels...


If I want that many on a ASIO daw, then MADI does it verifiablely well.



Given the rules, I still have 32 in/out for my console and 24(up to 32) for inserts.


It runs without crashing; I never have to reboot. For the matter

I felt it was so solid I OC'd it to 3gz.. quad x 3 ghz.


I track in PT; and primarily also because nuendo and cubase have tracking issues

feature wise; no working equivalent to play lists.

I then have a choice of mixing in cubase/nuendo or not; by using the first
16 interfaces which are the insert effects and then I just burn
with wavelab..

If I really felt like I needed delay compensation and rtas on the buss's I could upgrde.

Manual compensation is always perfect; and adding RTAS to the aux's

only increases the delay undesirably.


To do effect based, with external FX, there is no other DAW I know of that

does it properly. I can run a 32+ track session template with the compensation

and insert effect pre-made and use it to track, reliably without reboot.


I finally even conceeded to it being easier then my console for cue's; albiet

There is still a 81 sample delay.. But There is nobody else that has a rock solid

system with less delay including inserts/fx.


I always have the console available for a analog queue for the vocaling
with a analog fx if the sample delay is undesirable.

But any with a small FX on the vocal; is going to have that kind of sample

delay anyway..

Some of that is a little off topic; but I had been searching for those abilities

all in one spot for a long time; and I finally had to seccum to PT.


I *PRAY* one say steinberg will fix their grouping; tighted up the

feature set, not putting precedence to post and I will be done

with my search.


But they are just as bad as Lynx; especially with the original release

of CB4. It was the buggiest thing on the CD.

I mean; there was a major update out day 1.

Originally Posted by Jason West

No UAD cards here but I have had problems with Lynx cards.

I bought Lynx AES16-SRC in August 2004. In 2004, there were no other cards on the market that had the digital io that it had so i seemed like a no-brainer decision.

I tried it in both Intel P4 and Core2 Duo motherboards. I ran it on dedicated fresh/virgin Windows XP computers in both cases. Updated the latest flash firmware. Updated the latest drivers. But I always had problems and it was not rock-solid.

One simple example of where Lynx drivers crashed was something as simple as playing foobar2000 with ASIO drivers. It would crash every 10 songs or so. However, using RME DIGI9652 or Fireface 400/800 would never crash. Never.

I realize that other big name artists are using the Lynx cards without problems. Perhaps they are stressing it in different ways. (Although my foobar2000 playback test seems like a very lightweight test.) Perhaps they have newer cards with a revised hardware -- a revised hardware that's not reflected in just flashing the firmware. Perhaps they don't even know that they have a problem. Who knows?

This is a Lynx thread so I don't want to give impression that RME is infallible and to bash Lynx. RME has some new PCIe cards in the works and they could release some clunkers of their own. I think the Lynx Aurora converters are good, but their AES16 cards (PCI or PCIe) seems to be big question marks. To be fair, Lynx could release some new flash update or software driver that will fix all the reported problems.

I think we all want the AES16e to work because there's not much of a choice in the marketplace. The equivalent competitor RME AES-32 was announced almost a year ago and it's still not released yet. If you want the 16-ch digital io on PCIe card, Lynx is the only product in this price range that's available right now.