Lynx AES16e PCI Express card!

[drmad69]

Yes.

I ordered my card in 2004.

It's 2005, when are you going to fix the driver?

It's 2006, when are you going to fix it?

It's 2007, When are you going to fix it?

It's 2008, nevermind; I finally had to buy digi, something that works with

their own software.

Originally Posted by George Necola

this thread is quite funny if you read it from the start

it's september... where is my card.

it's december... where is my card.

it's february... where is my card.

it's late august, I ordered my card, and got it.. and it doesnt work


are lynx drivers that bad?

[Darius van H]

I've been using a Lynx AES16e, together with an RME AES32 (old-style pci) in the same computer for a few days without any problems...........everything working flawlessly up 'till now.

[drmad69]

The 9652/aes16 combo seemed to work fairly well too.

(cept for the ASIO lynx stuff.)


But you see; with that combo; without ASIO4ALL,

you can only be using one primary driver...

If it's the aes32, well; of course it works.

I used it with the avocet too..

So mastering wise, try the lookback test on the lynx, in case of a drouput it wouldn't be sample accurate.

And in case of External FX, if you don't analog chain your gear, assuming you ever do more than one

stream at a time it will get off sync..


If you do the loopback and you're only doing 1 stereo mastering stem with external FX; you may

never ever notice; except for visually making them up; that it is off by dropouts/buffer size.

[Darius van H]

Tested it........sample accurate, playing from RME out and back to Lynx...... 96k, sampitude 10....did a null test, 100% cancelation.....also tested it with 4 stereo tracks at 96 k, also 100% null........tried a load of plugins, web surfing, opening few other programs..0 record errors, 100% cancelation....good enough for my purposes

[drmad69]

Sure; That's exactly what I said.
now just switch the order; the Lynx driver doesn't matter when it's
not the primary. It's just a signal router then.

Heh, and I *dare* ya yo try that *#^ with samplitude choosing

lynx as the primary driver.

Watch those droputs climb as you move things around on the screen and then suddenly you hea

the slippage.. Makes a great delay/phasy plug sound though..

Originally Posted by Darius van H

Tested it........sample accurate, playing from RME out and back to Lynx...... 96k, sampitude 10....did a null test, 100% cancelation.....also tested it with 4 stereo tracks at 96 k, also 100% null........tried a load of plugins, web surfing, opening few other programs..0 record errors, 100% cancelation....good enough for my purposes

[Darius van H]

I think you need to re-install your computer (or get a faster computer or increase your buffer settings)

I wasn't using the Lynx as just a router.........i had 2 instances of samplitude 10 open............one with RME asio as the driver, the other with Lynx asio as the driver...........no problems what-so-ever........no drop-outs, 100% cancelation with null tests (when comparing recorded audio to original file)

This is all on a brand new, freshly installed (XP Pro) intel duo core PC with 2GB ram

[djanogil]

Excuse my ignorance;

what's a dropout?

[DAWgEAR]

Originally Posted by Arksun

So if I understand this correctly, if you have more than one UAD-1 card, don't get the lynx.

If you have 1 UAD card, there may still be a few dropouts so its a questionable buy.

If one uses no UAD card or outboard fx, the Lynx runs just fine?

Seems there's a lot of anti-Lynx talk around giving the impression their drivers suck period, when the reality seems to be more like, they're rock solid and fast UNLESS you run UAD cards.

I only have experience with the Lynx Two and the AES16, not the AES16e. Preliminary reports from one other user suggests that the AES16e might have similar issues. I don't know from personal experience, so I can't comment.

The AES16 and Lynx 2 have a sensitivity to dropouts, UAD-1 or no UAD-1. Why exactly this is, I don't know. But this phenomenon has been reported by numerous users with different systems.

With two or more UAD-1s, the problem is more much more accute: loading more than one plugin = dropout. This has been confirmed. I used this in my procedure 1 in the thread linked to earlier because this is 100% repeatable, even with a buffer of 1024.

But a dropout can occur independent of any UAD-1s. Setting the buffer low (or not so low) and taxing the system will do it. The dropouts can occur during playback but also in stop mode (transport not running). They can occur when you first load you DAW. They can occur when you rest the ASIO driver. They can occur when you minimize/maximize the DAW window.

There seems to be dropout problem with Samplitude, but since I am not a Samplitude user, I won't comment.

That's issue #1.

Issue #2 is that when a dropout occurs, you are not always alerted that this is the case. When the dropout occurs in stop mode, e.g. when loading a second UAD-1 plugin in a multicard system or when you first launch the DAW, you get no notification unless you look at the Lynx Mixer application. Frequently there is no error, message, nor audible glitch to alert you that this has happened. So unless you know to check, a dropout that has occurred can go undetected. If it weren't for issue #3 described below, undetected dropouts during stop mode wouldn't be a big deal.

Issue #3 is that once a dropout has occurred, any recording made thereafter is out of sync (delayed by a multiple of the buffer size) relative to any pre-existing tracks until the ASIO driver is reset. The recording does not get ruined in the sense of having an audible crackle or pop, rather it is just late relative to the rest of the tracks. To me, this is the big problem. I'd rather have audible dropouts but in-sync recordings as opposed to concealed dropouts and out-of-sync recordings. Lynx seems to feel differently, as near as I can tell.

It's possible that there may be other issues ...

My workaround is to set up my Lynx Mixer window and Cubase window as in the image below. As soon a dropout occurs, I see it in red and reset the ASIO driver. It'a hassle but it allows me to work without out-of-sync tracks (something I was not able to do for over a year until I figured out what was happening -- I thought my timing sucked). [EDIT: couldn't attach image, see the thread drmad69 linked to on the previous page of this thread.]

There is an HDSPe in my future ...

[nativeaudio]

ASIO

Do these problems occur with CoreAudio (Mac) drivers as well?

[DAWgEAR]

Originally Posted by djanogil

Excuse my ignorance;

what's a dropout?

Go to the Lynx support forum http://www.lynxstudio.com/forum and search on the text string dropout (or dropouts, or drop, ...)

Go ahead and do it.

Interesting, isn't it?

Next, search on the text string pout to find out what you and other people seeking support about this issue have been missing ....

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

[author]

Originally Posted by DAWgEAR

I only have experience with the Lynx Two and the AES16, not the AES16e. Preliminary reports from one other user suggests that the AES16e might have similar issues.

Has Lynx commented on this?

[author]

Originally Posted by DAWgEAR

Go to the Lynx support forum http://www.lynxstudio.com/forum and search on the text string dropout (or dropouts, or drop, ...)

Go ahead and do it.

Interesting, isn't it?

Next, search on the text string pout to find out what you and other people seeking support about this issue have been missing ....

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Geez... Never seen anything like that!

Anyone who thought of buying anything Lynx should try this...

[antonbuys]

Originally Posted by DAWgEAR

Go to the Lynx support forum http://www.lynxstudio.com/forum and search on the text string dropout (or dropouts, or drop, ...)

Go ahead and do it.

Interesting, isn't it?

Next, search on the text string pout to find out what you and other people seeking support about this issue have been missing ....

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Especially if some topics are headed "Dropouts?" See this:
Lynx Support Forum: Dropouts?

So, a company who relabels client's concerns/problems/issues as "pouts"...

And I was looking at an Aurora 16...

"Hello, SSL, about an Alphalank AX/SX..."

Anton

[djanogil]

Originally Posted by DAWgEAR

Go to the Lynx support forum http://www.lynxstudio.com/forum and search on the text string dropout (or dropouts, or drop, ...)

Go ahead and do it.

Interesting, isn't it?

Next, search on the text string pout to find out what you and other people seeking support about this issue have been missing ....

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

That still doesn't tell me what a dropout is?..


Pardon my French

[DAWgEAR]

Originally Posted by djanogil

That still doesn't tell me what a dropout is?..

Sorry. I'm not the most technically savvy person, but I'll give it a try ...

When your system plays sound, the audio data is retrieved a few milliseconds (samples actually) earlier than playback requires and it is stored in containers called buffers until the correct time to play it back. As long as the buffers are filled in time, the audio plays back without glitches.

If playback requires a buffer of data and your system is too slow to fill the buffer in time, the audio "drops out".

I'm sure someone else can do a better job with the details, but that's the basic idea.

[djanogil]

Originally Posted by DAWgEAR

Sorry. I'm not the most technically savvy person, but I'll give it a try ...

When your system plays sound, the audio data is retrieved a few milliseconds (samples actually) earlier than playback requires and it is stored in containers called buffers until the correct time to play it back. As long as the buffers are filled in time, the audio plays back without glitches.

If playback requires a buffer of data and your system is too slow to fill the buffer in time, the audio "drops out".

I'm sure someone else can do a better job with the details, but that's the basic idea.

Thanks, so it basically means that the audio actually stops for a very short time? hmm
I have only one UAD card in my G5 running the latest Cubase, will I be a victim of the problem you have?

[DAWgEAR]

Originally Posted by djanogil

Thanks, so it basically means that the audio actually stops for a very short time? hmm
I have only one UAD card in my G5 running the latest Cubase, will I be a victim of the problem you have?

I don't know. Not a lot of people have reported results in the other thread and none have been Mac users, perhaps because the title of the thread mentions Win XP.

Lynx, Cubase 4 WinXP, multiple UAD users: Can anyone confirm or refute this?

I'm on Windows, so I don't pay as much attention to threads about Mac related issues, nor would I understand them if I did. Don't quote me, but I cannot recall any Mac user bringing up this issue. I could be mistaken, though. Try looking through the threads at the Lynx forum to see if there is any mention in conjunction with Mac OS X.

On Windows, the issue is more problematic with two or more UAD-1s than it is with one. I don't know if this applies or extrapolates to Mac.

[djanogil]

Originally Posted by DAWgEAR

I don't know. Not a lot of people have reported results in the other thread and none have been Mac users, perhaps because the title of the thread mentions Win XP.

Lynx, Cubase 4 WinXP, multiple UAD users: Can anyone confirm or refute this?

I'm on Windows, so I don't pay as much attention to threads about Mac related issues, nor would I understand them if I did. Don't quote me, but I cannot recall any Mac user bringing up this issue. I could be mistaken, though. Try looking through the threads at the Lynx forum to see if there is any mention in conjunction with Mac OS X.

On Windows, the issue is more problematic with two or more UAD-1s than it is with one. I don't know if this applies or extrapolates to Mac.

Thanks for the info and good luck!

[joseph]

My 2 PCIe arrived today....
Will be installed in the latest Mac with 4GB RAM, running leopard 10.5.2 and Logic Pro 8.
2x Aurora 16s will be hooked on the cards...slaved to Big Ben....
Can you give me few points so I can save my day?

[drmad69]

Right, it sounds like a speed/install issue, I know. It took months
to convince paul it wasn;t he's seen the problem on a wide variety of boxes
now, including there own. So it isn't that simple.

I am glad to see it's working for you; why don't you try minimizing the

windows. (Course that was a cubase thing; and Samplitude was broken
for months on end; *maybe* magix has finnaly made a workaround
for them.)

Originally Posted by Darius van H

I think you need to re-install your computer (or get a faster computer or increase your buffer settings)

I wasn't using the Lynx as just a router.........i had 2 instances of samplitude 10 open............one with RME asio as the driver, the other with Lynx asio as the driver...........no problems what-so-ever........no drop-outs, 100% cancelation with null tests (when comparing recorded audio to original file)

This is all on a brand new, freshly installed (XP Pro) intel duo core PC with 2GB ram

[drmad69]

Yeah, I had been warning people for almost 2 years;

blocking searching keywods (If indeed was/is the case),

is yet another slimey move to a suffering company from going under.

Originally Posted by antonbuys

Especially if some topics are headed "Dropouts?" See this:
Lynx Support Forum: Dropouts?

So, a company who relabels client's concerns/problems/issues as "pouts"...

And I was looking at an Aurora 16...

"Hello, SSL, about an Alphalank AX/SX..."

Anton

[drmad69]

Now honestly; I don't know about the mac,

if I still had the cards I would install 10.5.2 on my quadcore

and see what happens; But I don't have them anymore.


10.5.2 works quite well on my external test drive; but I

have no reason/interfaces except a fasttrack to do coreaudio pause 10.4, so

I can't try it.


Now........... For those of you with issues; that is a *INTERESTING* test.

Alot of variables would be eliminated.

Install 10.5.2 mac OSX on your PC, load up the cubase and test away...


If it works; that's bad news... If it fails... that's even worse news.

In either case; it's still much too much hassle for something that should

just work.. Of course; we have one mastering house that seems to be ok.

But; the moment he gets a dropout; the same old problems are there.

[Squawk]

Originally Posted by DAWgEAR

Go to the Lynx support forum http://www.lynxstudio.com/forum and search on the text string dropout (or dropouts, or drop, ...)

Go ahead and do it.

Interesting, isn't it?

Next, search on the text string pout to find out what you and other people seeking support about this issue have been missing ....

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Ok, that's just f'ing bizarre.

I just canceled my order of this card until I find out what's up with that..

Smells fishy to me.

Too bad, I already own 2 aurora 16's, but I have a low tolerance for BS.

[Squawk]

Originally Posted by broken head

The test computer was a std. Dell Dimension 9200, 2.4G DuoCore, 1GB RAM, Single SATA HDD, XP Home SP2. Basic OS Optimizations.

But again, this was with beta drivers and firmware. WHen we have release versions we will post "official" performance numbers.

Hi Paul,

If you are still watching this thread at all, can you please:

1. Change your avatar so I don't get you confused with James Lugo. (just kidding )

2. Address the "dropouts" search engine weirdness on your support forums?
I just canceled my order because of that.. I don't like surprises .
I'd ask there, but it might not show up..

Thanks

[jumper24]

Originally Posted by Squawk

2. Address the "dropouts" search engine weirdness on your support forums?
I just canceled my order because of that.. I don't like surprises .
I'd ask there, but it might not show up..

Thanks

Same here.. I have also canceled my order.

It was the straw, that broke the camel's back

[David Hoatson]

Originally Posted by DAWgEAR

Go to the Lynx support forum http://www.lynxstudio.com/forum and search on the text string dropout (or dropouts, or drop, ...)

Go ahead and do it.

Interesting, isn't it?

Next, search on the text string pout to find out what you and other people seeking support about this issue have been missing ....

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

Guys, come on. What do you think this is... The X Files? We are not blocking search terms. I didn't even know about the search engine issue until I checked this thread. It would have been nice if someone had posted on our forum about a problem with our forum! I simply never use the search since I always read every single post. Obviously the search function is broken with the forum and I will see what can be done to fix it.

We are working on the dropout issue and I have emailed DAWgEAR about this but as of yet have not gotten a reply.

[steveschizoid]

Originally Posted by David Hoatson

What do you think this is... The X Files? Obviously the search function is broken with the forum and I will see what can be done to fix it.....We are working on the dropout issue...

You've got to admit that's pretty strange, David - it wont bring up the posts with the word dropout unless you search for "pout?" - it just seems too arbitrary to not be intentional.

It's good to know that the constant dropouts for UAD-1/Cubase users has been acknowledged as an issue. What about the stealth de-syncing that occurs as a result?

[drmad69]

Really; can you please state what the known dropout issues
are from Lynx's perspective?

And how long you have been working on them;

And when they were first reported.


It might help to fix the search engine first; It should

go back to complaints from several years ago.

[drmad69]

And all the other terms work as well.

I thought it was a case issue so I tried ropout Dropout dropout,etc.


Maybe the search engine database was corrupted because the

Term appears so often....