Lynx AES16e PCI Express card!

[flute player]

Originally Posted by Trp

Well, if RME delivers first, just get their AES/EBU card. They have a reputation for much more solid drivers, too. And Total Mix is great. No need to go for a Lynx... AES/EBU IS AES/EBU...

Yes I looked to RME products before I bought my HD192 unit with their PCIe 424 card.
I guess that when I bought that then I wouldn't have bought the MOTU.
It seems their MADI card is also a stable one.
Therefor I looked to this option from RME and from SSL with the new MADI PCIe x-treme card.
But I don't need 24 i/0 or more for audio.
Apogee products are a little out of my budget and seems to colour the sound.
So the final choice depended on price vs quality and this meant I bought the Lynx.
It's just a matter of time now......
Maybe the guys from Lynx are not Japanese and felt now durig the last stage of development

Greetz,

Paul

[djanogil]

I am also waiting for this card, but started to think I could also use the Firewire card instead, which would turn my Aurora into a portable sound interface.

What would be the limitations / shortcomings of firewire versus Pcie ?

I don't record more than 8 simultaneous channels at 24/48.
I may try working at 96khz out of curiosity.

Thanks,

Jean

[flute player]

Listen all who are interested in the AES16e
I have a very bad feeling about shipping on the next announced release date.
Yesterday I got an e-mail back from B&H photo were I asked them if I perhaps could pre order the card because of the release on the 15 th
The answer was short and clear.
"There is no such release on 15 of april and we do not know anything when it should be"
Oeps...this asks for a short explenation.
Maybe they want to break a record in delay a release here
I have a good suggestion for the people at Lynx.
Let's bring my version of the card to the AES 2008 in Amsterdam.
Or do your best and make it hapen before.

Greetz,

Paul

[dubrichie]

jayzus.

right, im off to figure out how i can squash the RME alternative into my machine.

is the PCI-Exrpress offering from RME even available yet?!

thank fcuk i have an HD rig too, or i'd be rightly screwed, as many of you are.

my deepest sympathies to you all.

solidarity brothers.

[Blenn]

I have one on order with KMR Audio. They rang me today and told me it's on course for shipping from the US to the UK on the 15th of this month. So about another 10 days after that I should have it.

Paul

[CorkyTart]

April 15? If they were to ship on April 15th I think we would know if the card is a go by now because they only have 5 days left to get them out the door. Either way, I want this frickin' card now.

[mike98116]

I called Lynx again today. I was told all the driver issues are resolved and they just have a few small items to finish up. Shipping date estimated to be the end of Next week or the beginning of the week after.

[flute player]

Finally

[kittonian]

Looks like Lynx is right on schedule to begin shipping the AES16e as of the end of next week or so. We are still accepting pre-orders and the backlog as it stands right now is about 2-3 weeks from today. If you need one quickly, I suggest placing your pre-order and getting on the list.

Barring anything coming up that is a "show-stopper", everything is on schedule. Bear in mind that with any brand new product that is at the end of the final testing stage, anything can happen, but as I said, it all looks good as of right now.

[Amstel]

Originally Posted by kittonian

Looks like Lynx is right on schedule to begin shipping the AES16e as of the end of next week or so.

[jeangodard]

Originally Posted by kittonian

Looks like Lynx is right on schedule to begin shipping the AES16e as of the end of next week or so.

They're right on schedule after being right off schedule over and over and over.

Barring anything coming up that is a "show-stopper", everything is on schedule.

That sounds pretty sweet. You'd do well in politics.

Bear in mind that with any brand new product that is at the end of the final testing stage, anything can happen, but as I said, it all looks good as of right now.

So everything looks good, unless everything starts to not look good.

[CorkyTart]

Originally Posted by jeangodard

So everything looks good, unless everything starts to not look good.

Haha, thats pretty funny because its true with a lot of things.

[tazman]

So if I understand you correctly, ewith the PCIe version, you can have 16 analog I/O's AND 8 ADAT I/O's via the LS-ADAT? And these are all independent of each other? i.e. I can record 24 independent sources?

Thanks,

Originally Posted by David Hoatson

Latency: As Paul has already said, the round-trip latency of the AES16e (without the buffer size added in) is 4 samples - because there are no A/D or D/A converters. 2 samples on the input and 2 samples on the output. Add to that the buffer size latency (x2 if you are doing software monitoring) and that will be the total latency. Of course this doesn't include the external device you are connecting to. If it is an Aurora then you add 15 samples on the input and 8 samples on the output (@ 48kHz). Round-trip for software monitoring is then 27 samples plus 2X the buffer size. So for software monitoring with a buffer size of 64 that would be 3.23ms total. With hardware monitoring it would just be 0.56ms.

Cards Per System: The driver can handle up to 8 cards per system - but of course your mileage may vary depending on how your system is configured and how many free slots you have. Starting with OSX 10.4 Apple gave us Aggregate device support which means you can combine the i/o on multiple cards and that is what we expect you to use with your software (except Digital Performer which always supported multiple cards). I'm just trying to make it clear that the driver has always supported multiple cards, but the OS X audio applications (except DP) could only talk to one card at a time. Starting with OSX 10.4 that limitation is gone.

Channels Per Card: The AES16e comes with 16 i/o of AES/EBU built in (up to 192kHz without losing channel count), and another 16 channels of our LStream i/o (at 48kHz, 8 channels at 96kHz and 4 channels at 192kHz). The big difference from the standard PCI AES16 is these channels have their own separate streams, meaning they can carry their own audio - not mirrored from the AES/EBU channels. Currently we offer the LS-ADAT card and LS-AES card to expand the i/o using our LStream channels. LS-ADAT gives you 16 i/o @ 48kHz and LS-AES gives you 8 i/o @ 96kHz. If you really needed a 24-channel 96kHz AES/EBU solution, the AES16e w/LS-AES would do that. The down side is it ends up being a 2-card solution, but then the LS-AES could fit in the slot next to the video card on a Mac Pro (that doesn't have a PCIe connector). If you really need 32-channels of AES/EBU @ 96kHz then you would have to go with two AES16e's, so that would be a 2-card solution anyway.

OK, breaks over - back to work!

David A. Hoatson
Lynx Studio Technology, Inc.

[Amstel]

Originally Posted by kittonian

next week or so.

[CorkyTart]

Did it ship?

[flute player]

I have mine in back order.
Keep my fingers crossed.

Paul

[tazman]

did it, did it?!? Did it ship yet?

[CorkyTart]

Lets be realistic. If it shipped, LYNX would have it announced, your annoying Sweetwater rep would have called you to "check in" and people would have known about it.

[tazman]

Dude, don't spoil the fun!!!

[Vietstylistic]

Agreed, As many times as they pushed back the release date, I wouldn't be surprise they'll do it again.

Originally Posted by CorkyTart

Lets be realistic. If it shipped, LYNX would have it announced, your annoying Sweetwater rep would have called you to "check in" and people would have known about it.

[dubrichie]

i've been told the 1st of May.

[steveschizoid]

what decade?

[flute player]

Just took a short look at their website.
25 th of april will the standard version be shipped.
The SRC card is now sceduled for may......or october......or somewere januari 2009.

[jeangodard]

Originally Posted by flute player

Just took a short look at their website.

"We are please to announce that the AES16e will begin shipping on April 25, 2008."

When the company announces a date, then I'd venture it's more real than the other stuff of fluff.

Thanks a lot Lynx, for not putting an email sign-up device so we had to come here to find out about all these dates... that ultimately failed to produce anything but aggravation, one after another, after another.

Please put an email notification sign-up next time you make with the new stuff. For more information on how, see Magma and examine how they handle their new product announcements.

[soebx]

could any of you guys explain the need for the samplerateconversion that comes with the SRC- version. I´m new to Aes/ebu cards and this kind of set up.

soebx

[David Hoatson]

Sample Rate Conversion does two things:

1) Allows the Digital Input to run at a different rate than the Project Rate. This means if you have an external device that is running at 88.2kHz, you can have your project rate set to 96kHz and it will still work OK. Without SRC you would have to run your Project Rate at the same sample rate as the Digital Input (and external device).

2) Allows you to have more than one clock domain present in a digital system. Normally only one device can be the clock master in a digital system, but with SRC you can have more than one clock domain and the sample rate converter will keep everything OK.

Of course there is a price to pay for everything, and Sample Rate Conversion does effect the audio quality. However the SRC on the AES16e-SRC has 144dB dynamic range, so I doubt you could actually hear any artifacts from the SRC.

By the way, the first AES16e cards shipped to customers today.

Thank you,

David A. Hoatson
Lynx Studio Technology, Inc.

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by David Hoatson

By the way, the first AES16e cards shipped to customers today.

Thanks for the info!
What's the...
a) list price
b) total roundtrip latency in the shipping version?

[Sequoia Berlin]

Hi David,

is the SRC type still the TI 4192 as on the AES16 PCI version?

Regards,

Sebastian

[David Hoatson]

Hello,

The AES16e-SRC uses the newer 4392 which gives 144dB dynamic range instead of 142dB (which is still excellent).

The AES16e lists for $795 and the -SRC model lists for $895.

Round-trip latency for the AES16e is the same as the AES16, which is 4 samples plus the buffer size.

Thank you,

David A. Hoatson

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by broken head

You are right. It would be essentially double roundtrip. The .35 was one direction. .89 would be the round trip total. By the way, the AES16 driver will detect a connected Aurora and report that modified latency value up to the ASIO app, so manual DC is not required.

The Aurora definitely uses some of the faster converters. AD latency at a 2X rate is 9 samples, DA is 4.6 samples. 3 samples are required at any rate for servicing the FPGA.

Originally Posted by David Hoatson

Round-trip latency for the AES16e is the same as the AES16, which is 4 samples plus the buffer size.

So... using the 32 buffer:

A/D: 9 samples
In buffer: 32 samples
Servicing the FPGA: 3 samples
Out buffer: 32 samples
D/A: 4.6 samples

That's 80.6 samples roundtrip, unless I forgot something (BTW, what's "2X rate"?)

80.6 samples is 1.82 milliseconds @ 44.1, or 0.84 milliseconds @ 96 kHz, which is terrific.

Does the driver support recording @ 96 kHz - using the 32 buffer - without getting artifacts? That's not possible on a RME Fireface 800...


If these numbers are correct, the total roundtrip using the 64 buffer would be 144.6 samples, which is 3.28 ms @ 44.1 or 1.5 milliseconds at 96 kHz. Also impressive.