DigiDesign???

[brother thunder]

hey just wondering.... i always hear about giant companies doing horrible things ie. walmart, Mcdonalds, Nike, cocacola ect ect .... does digi design have any dirt like this people should know about??

[9th Ward Records]

Originally Posted by brother thunder

hey just wondering.... i always hear about giant companies doing horrible things ie. walmart, Mcdonalds, Nike, cocacola ect ect .... does digi design have any dirt like this people should know about??

They're not that big- and they're 'probably' going under if Apple takes the young market.

[narcoman]

Originally Posted by 9th Ward Records

They're not that big- and they're 'probably' going under if Apple takes the young market.

Hows the Pink Floyd mastering coming along

Digi are doing well in the live sector and the studio business still does okay. They are also not a big company, as pointed out. They have enough equity in their company to aletr their business plan to suit.

[ALL*MYTEE]

I have no problems with Digi as a company but there were a few threads that discussed what they did with their trade in gear. One person suggested they destroyed it, another mentioned giving it to some program in India???

I'm not claiming either of these is true, but a search might yield more info if this is what you're interested in. (I believe these were in two separate threads.)

[dannygold]

Do you even think apple is TRYING to drive Digi under? Is Logic even really a true competitor? They're Apple's and Oranges in a way (sorry for the pun):

Logic is software. Period. The reason it now exists is to sell Macs. I can buy the educational version locally for $150. Do you think apple is making a lot of money from that? They could EASILY charge more... but they know I'm gonna buy a mac to run it on and an iPod to listen to my phat beats on.

Pro Tools is a combination of hardware and software. The software basically comes with the hardware (except for some of the Mpowered stuff I guess where it's SKUed separately). The reason the software exists is to sell hardware. And the reason LE exists with severe limitations is to sell really expensive HD systems.

So apple makes Logic to sell macs, and Digi makes pro tools to sell Digi hardware... where's the conflict again?

Danny

[FFTT]

Apple has some serious raw computing power and Apogee, RME, UAD, Lynx, Crane, Prism, Weiss just to name a few.
And their computers can run ANY DAW program OS X, Windows or Open Source.

They really don't need to sell their own interface and I/O conversion hardware.

Bang for buck the Logic Studio's Suite of Plugins and Instruments puts Digi's software bundles to shame.

Apple is not limited to audio recording and has a huge business share
in film production.

Avid/Digi could decide to stop supporting Mac OS X and it still would not lock out
Apple because you can still run OS X ,Windows,Vista or Lynux on any Intel based Mac.

Avid/Digi has continually tried to lock out the competetion and failed.

[A LaMere]

I don't have any problem with digi/avid... and have never heard any "eviiil" stories about the dark empire that is..

Guess I've never thought about it... but they aren't what I think of when I think of "huge" companies like Walmart, etc.

[narcoman]

Originally Posted by FFTT

Apple has some serious raw computing power and Apogee, RME, UAD, Lynx, Crane, Prism, Weiss just to name a few.
And their computers can run ANY DAW program OS X, Windows or Open Source.

They really don't need to sell their own interface and I/O conversion hardware.

Bang for buck the Logic Studio's Suite of Plugins and Instruments puts Digi's software bundles to shame.

Apple is not limited to audio recording and has a huge business share
in film production.

Avid/Digi could decide to stop supporting Mac OS X and it still would not lock out
Apple because you can still run OS X ,Windows,Vista or Lynux on any Intel based Mac.

Avid/Digi has continually tried to lock out the competetion and failed.

in project land - sure. But look at what movie soundtracks, tv work and video games (the 3 biggest users of DAWs) are using and you'll see the PT name everywhere.

[cajonezzz]

I can personally attest to the FACT that DIGIDESIGN has been instrumental in developing the nasty habit of paying my mortgage on time in the last 5 years.


Evil Bastards.



Back to work!

[FFTT]

I think Digidesign would have many more happy customers if they would open up their
LE and M-Powered software to use ANY interface.

Unfortunately they can't even keep up with drivers for their own hardware.

[Skip Burrows]

I have been working with DIGI for a long time, in fact I go back to when they were called DIGI-Drums. Now I have a studio with tons Of DIGI stuff as well as a full blown ICON room and an SSL room as well as tons of Ouboard www.sunrisesound.com. Digi al though not perfect they do not deserve the crap rap they get here. Please for the love of GOD. SSL used to charge 900.00 for one POT. WHAT THE HELL? Now i am not trashing SSL, They can do what they want. However DIGI is not a Horrible company. They do things that drive me nuts, Sure, but every single company that i relay on my livelyhood given enough time makes me crazy. You folks who get pissed that they dont run the company the way you want should start your own company and make and sustain a product like Protools and see how many people you piss off.

Thanks for letting me rant

[A LaMere]

well said Skip..

It's funny but... essentially a lot of people are saying...

"I think digi would be a better company if PT was cheaper, in fact... it should be almost free"

Allowing any interface to run PT wouldn't make business-sense would it?
If it were your company, would you open things up? seriously?!

Ah, I can think of a ton of arguments regarding business but alas... it's all been said I think. If you're saying digi should essentially shoot themselves in the foot from a business prespective to do "what's right"... essentially cut their own business in half and create more competition than they already have for themselves..

It simply doesn't make sense... You don't have to like it. I don't like everything about it... (why not allow larger track counts in LE?)
Business-wise though... I don't think they're evil, they're just a business.

[anon001]

Originally Posted by dannygold

So apple makes Logic to sell macs, and Digi makes pro tools to sell Digi hardware... where's the conflict again?

digi hardware is a proprietary fascist model whose only true function is as a dongle? I'm not going to say that digidesign is killing babies in africa to feed us our gucci and prada hand bags. In fact I don't think their product is that bad.

BUT

I will say their business practices are HORRIBLE. no need to start a flame war but. seriously where are all the digi haters in this thread?

[anon001]

Originally Posted by A LaMere

I don't think they're evil, they're just a business.

exactly whats wrong with America. Don't hold anything accountable for it's actions, after all the only reason anyone does anything is for money!

[redrue]

Originally Posted by brother thunder

hey just wondering.... does digi design have any dirt like this people should know about??

No.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by anon001

I will say their business practices are HORRIBLE. no need to start a flame war but. seriously where are all the digi haters in this thread?

Which ones precisely? The only dealings I've had with Digi are a couple of warranty repairs - including one that was well out of warranty, still covered at no cost to me.

A well maintained PT rig is as stable as anything else out there, and more stable than most (Ensemble/Symphony rigs could rival it I'm sure, but many people have problems with interface, computer and software from multiple vendors). They're the only systems I'd trust to record an expensive session.

If you only run PT at home, or run a competing product at home...well...you're not the core target for an HD rig. If you don't like PT LE, then use whatever else you want. If you need to go from studio to home and can't afford an HD rig at home (like me) LE is the best bet.

[FFTT]

Originally Posted by A LaMere

well said Skip..

It's funny but... essentially a lot of people are saying...

"I think digi would be a better company if PT was cheaper, in fact... it should be almost free"

Allowing any interface to run PT wouldn't make business-sense would it?
If it were your company, would you open things up? seriously?!

Ah, I can think of a ton of arguments regarding business but alas... it's all been said I think. If you're saying digi should essentially shoot themselves in the foot from a business prespective to do "what's right"... essentially cut their own business in half and create more competition than they already have for themselves..

It simply doesn't make sense... You don't have to like it. I don't like everything about it... (why not allow larger track counts in LE?)
Business-wise though... I don't think they're evil, they're just a business.

Actually not what I was saying.

I paid the fair retail price for M-Powered with it's damn iLok protection
which also pissed me off, but I paid OK.

Opening up the software to use any interface like most other programs
would not put their project studio versions at risk.
They would sell more.

What gets under my skin now is that I am forced to pay nearly half of my
original purchase price just to upgrade from 7.1 to 7.4. ( with DVD)
if I want to properly update my OS to 10.4.9 or beyond.

So I'm running without the recommended security updates in Mac OS X
because those updates will disable my PAID FOR Digidesign software.

It's damn near the Waves WUP plan, essentially leasing me the right
to run their software for a limited time.

So rather than kiss up to Digi for what should be a FREE update,
I'll probably partition my second drive to remain in 10.4.8, then
upgrade my main drive to stay current with Mac OSX

Needless to say I'm not all too pleased with them right now.

On principle alone, I'd rather buy Logic Studio than give Digi one more cent of my money.

Rant over!

[mdme_sadie]

Originally Posted by anon001

exactly whats wrong with America. Don't hold anything accountable for it's actions, after all the only reason anyone does anything is for money!

Comrade it's the free market and capitalism, if they don't like it, then they vote with their wallets and feet, competition is allowed under the filthy workers blood covered hands of democracy and capitalism! Truly does this not show the depravity of these bourgeoisie pigs who will soon meet their comeuppance at the hands of our hardworking proletariat brothers come the dawn of the revolution!

[anon001]

Originally Posted by mdme_sadie

Comrade it's the free market and capitalism, if they don't like it, then they vote with their wallets and feet, competition is allowed under the filthy workers blood covered hands of democracy and capitalism! Truly does this not show the depravity of these bourgeoisie pigs who will soon meet their comeuppance at the hands of our hardworking proletariat brothers come the dawn of the revolution!

was I implying that the government should hold them accountable?

[FFTT]

All I can say is..........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXoERVxDAEQ

[A LaMere]

Originally Posted by A LaMere:

It's funny but... essentially a lot of people are saying...

"I think digi would be a better company if PT was cheaper, in fact... it should be almost free"

Originally Posted by FFTT

Actually not what I was saying.

Fwiw, I wasn't speaking about your post necassarily... though when I re-read my post it does sound a bit like I'm "answering".

My apologies if it seemed I was specifically answering your post FFTT.

If I could re-write my original post I guess I'd also say... Yes, there are a lot of things not to like as well.

Anon: I'm certainly not forgiving all things "in the name of big business"... In all honesty... there are a lot of things that are "wrong with America" there are also a LOT of things that are right.

I too don't update my Mac os because I have a PT rig attached to it.. and I don't want the whole freakin' building to come crashing down right?

Anyways... again... not saying I'm in love... or that everything is right...
but... My vote remains...

Not Evil... just a business... with good and bad business practices...
just like most businesses have...

It'd maybe be hard for it to be a truly "evil" company... not enough employees or reach really... compared to some oil companies, or WalMart, or some pharmaceutical companies... ?? Nope, it sincerely doubtful that it's close in my opinion...

[kurt]

Another tread about how bad are Mercedes & BMW treating us, SKODA drivers that too can drve at 200km/h.

[Dirty Halo]

Originally Posted by brother thunder

hey just wondering.... i always hear about giant companies doing horrible things ie. walmart, Mcdonalds, Nike, cocacola ect ect .... does digi design have any dirt like this people should know about??

Stop thinking like some sheep. Many big companies behave badly, but it is LAZY thinking to just follow the assumption trend that all companies are evil or even all companies are big.

You'd be surpirsed how many of our gear manufacturers are just small shops in reality.

You want to fight something? Stop driving your car. Check out those jeans you're wearing? Find out which cow you're eating and trace all those paths of problems.

Or make some music. Digi can help you with that

-andrews

[KNUCKLE]

My only REAL issue with Digi is the input limit on LE and M-POWERED.
in all honesty....do they really think that many project studio owners and/or hobbyists are going to be able to afford an upgrade to HD within any reasonable amount of time...or at all??

open it up to 32 inputs to utilize things like the lightbridge and be done with it.

True lovers of the product will upgrade if they can afford it for varying reasons that in my opinion, probably don't revolve around the input limits.

there's my two cents! :)