I need consultation

[Paul762]

Hello to whom it may concern,

David B. has referred me here, thats right the Greatest engineer of Elvis Presley. He's only got certain times he can help me out with his valuable advice so he's referred me here:

i'm asking for the closest to extremely high vaulable standards like proper major label studio industry engineers way for setting the following up:
while someone writes me be sur eto include descriptions where the inputs and outputs typically are through an explanation of steps to this process before entering into a Tracking/recording session:

First i would like to MIC my Electric guitar amplifier then have it go into a channel.
Secondly, i would like to Have my Electric Guitar output go into the DI box then output of DI Box into another seperate channel for recording. Now how are both of these done simultaneous when i'm playing this electric guitar part? How will the signal flow go?

Now i was told to Always ONLY edit the DI after recording in software which is how i am setup with my studio. why would the DI track be the one to edit only, kinda curious what edit it anyways if its a good recording, or whats an example when someone would need to do that?

Lastly, a special question: Does anyone have any email addys/myspace profiles/websites or resources for me to get closest to contacting the Music Directors (or) Engineers who work(ed) in the studios with Coldplay, U2, Incubus, The Editors? I do have questions about Effects Racks and some advising on what to use in recording or mixing? I want to know a name of some catalogs/books that can be read from the public instores or online where the Hottest New Wave Effects gear is coming from when bands come out with breaking new effects in their songs. ? Thats all,

thanks so much,

Paul Naegle

[quincyg]

gotta say this is the most interesting gs post i have ever seen. welcome to the board.

[Roland]

Originally Posted by Paul762

Hello to whom it may concern,

David B. has referred me here, thats right the Greatest engineer of Elvis Presley. He's only got certain times he can help me out with his valuable advice so he's referred me here:

i'm asking for the closest to extremely high vaulable standards like proper major label studio industry engineers way for setting the following up:
while someone writes me be sur eto include descriptions where the inputs and outputs typically are through an explanation of steps to this process before entering into a Tracking/recording session:

First i would like to MIC my Electric guitar amplifier then have it go into a channel.
Secondly, i would like to Have my Electric Guitar output go into the DI box then output of DI Box into another seperate channel for recording. Now how are both of these done simultaneous when i'm playing this electric guitar part? How will the signal flow go?

Now i was told to Always ONLY edit the DI after recording in software which is how i am setup with my studio. why would the DI track be the one to edit only, kinda curious what edit it anyways if its a good recording, or whats an example when someone would need to do that?

Lastly, a special question: Does anyone have any email addys/myspace profiles/websites or resources for me to get closest to contacting the Music Directors (or) Engineers who work(ed) in the studios with Coldplay, U2, Incubus, The Editors? I do have questions about Effects Racks and some advising on what to use in recording or mixing? I want to know a name of some catalogs/books that can be read from the public instores or online where the Hottest New Wave Effects gear is coming from when bands come out with breaking new effects in their songs. ? Thats all,

thanks so much,

Paul Naegle

Your post is a little confusing to read to say the least, however I'll have a stab at trying to address a couple of the issues you have raised. Firstly you plug your guitar into your DI box then from the output of that into your amp. Mic your amp and put that into one channel sent to one track, the di goes to another channel sent to another track.

There shouldn't be any problem with editing a live guitar track unless other musicians are playing in the room at the same time and you are getting bleed (sound of other instruments or guitar being heard on the mics recording other instruments), I suspect that you have missunderstood what has been told to you.

As for advice on effects etc I would (and I'm guessing at the level you are at the moment) suggest you "lurk" here and read as many posts as you can. there is some rubbish talked on this forum as on any others, however there is also a lot of good basic advice too. If you search the archives you will see celebrity forums hosted by some of the best known names in the business and a lot of good advice and information can be had there. Much of the information you are looking for can be found in sound recording articles, I would suggest that hustling "named" producers with what they will probably consider fairly irrelevant questions will not get you very far.

My advice:

Chill and read anything you can about recording. It's no substitute for doing, but it will clue you in so when pro's offer advice you will be able to understand exactly what they are talking about.

Regards


Roland

P.S. Welcome to the forum!

[Paul762]

"There shouldn't be any problem with editing a live guitar track unless other musicians are playing in the room at the same time and you are getting bleed (sound of other instruments or guitar being heard on the mics recording other instruments), I suspect that you have missunderstood what has been told to you."

Ok but i have a DI box that has these inputs and outputs: 2 IN's and 1 XLR output. how do i do that with these limited outputs from the DI box? if i want to try and go out to my AMP then also out to my preamp input??

should i get a new one?

what is a Quality basic industry standard for a DI BOX you'd recomend to start off for Holidays Sales?, mine is not good for these setups possibly.

thanks so much,

Paul

[Paul762]

where did you go i waiting for any responses on my last few questions...

[Paul762]

is anybody out there to answer my last few questions above? they were as follows:

you said:
"There shouldn't be any problem with editing a live guitar track unless other musicians are playing in the room at the same time and you are getting bleed (sound of other instruments or guitar being heard on the mics recording other instruments), I suspect that you have missunderstood what has been told to you."


I said:
Ok but i have a DI box that has these inputs and outputs: 2 IN's and 1 XLR output. how do i do that with these limited outputs from the DI box? if i want to try and go out to my AMP then also out to my preamp input??

should i get a new one?

what is a Quality basic industry standard for a DI BOX you'd recomend to start off for Holidays Sales?, mine is not good for these setups possibly.

thanks so much,

Paul

[adzski]

Originally Posted by Paul762

I said:
Ok but i have a DI box that has these inputs and outputs: 2 IN's and 1 XLR output. how do i do that with these limited outputs from the DI box? if i want to try and go out to my AMP then also out to my preamp input??

should i get a new one?

yes - you need a new one - unfortunately, basic industry DI boxes run into many thousands of dollars....maybe David B. has one of Elvis' ol' boxes lying around? failing that, pm me and i will be able to sell you one that belonged to Roy Orbison for under $3000.

[jgrif08]

maybe this would work?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation

[Paul762]

Originally Posted by jgrif08

maybe this would work?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...goryNavigation

Yea thats exactly WHAT I NEED and ONLY what i need for the limit on my inputs and outputs and the types on my direct box.

now quick question view this image: http://www.americanmusical.com/item-...-WHI-EDB1.html
mine is similiar but mine has the two 1/4 jacks, it has one arrow inward such as input, but the one below it doesn't have an arrow or any words indicating if the extra 1/4 jack is an output or input below it. what do you think it is so i know how to use it??


how do i do this if my guitar amplifier only has an input then Headphones output on it, its a smaller marshall amplifier.?

how would i route all this using a Mic to the amplifier, direct box, and preamp, and this Y xlr adapter cable you suggested?

Paul

[Paul762]

oh wait i realized i can do all of this easily with my DIBox and my current Preamp. my preamp is a 2 channel blue tube stereo preamp. i just need some quality cables for all Low Z low noise.. thats my goal.

[Paul762]

Originally Posted by Roland

Your post is a little confusing to read to say the least, however I'll have a stab at trying to address a couple of the issues you have raised. Firstly you plug your guitar into your DI box then from the output of that into your amp. Mic your amp and put that into one channel sent to one track, the di goes to another channel sent to another track.

There shouldn't be any problem with editing a live guitar track unless other musicians are playing in the room at the same time and you are getting bleed (sound of other instruments or guitar being heard on the mics recording other instruments), I suspect that you have missunderstood what has been told to you.

As for advice on effects etc I would (and I'm guessing at the level you are at the moment) suggest you "lurk" here and read as many posts as you can. there is some rubbish talked on this forum as on any others, however there is also a lot of good basic advice too. If you search the archives you will see celebrity forums hosted by some of the best known names in the business and a lot of good advice and information can be had there. Much of the information you are looking for can be found in sound recording articles, I would suggest that hustling "named" producers with what they will probably consider fairly irrelevant questions will not get you very far.

My advice:

Chill and read anything you can about recording. It's no substitute for doing, but it will clue you in so when pro's offer advice you will be able to understand exactly what they are talking about.

Regards


Roland

P.S. Welcome to the forum!

My DI box has some confusing outputs because one extra jack next to the input jack has no label, i dont know if its output or an input, but on the opposite end of the di box actually has a label jack "output".
So do I:
First take my guitar output plug the instrument cable into the input of DI box then AT THIS POINT THERE ARE TWO MORE JACK PLUGS ON THE DIX BOX,ONE SAYS OUTPUTS AND THE OTHER IS ON THE SANME SIDE OF THE INPUT THA TTHE INSTRUMENT IS PLUGGED INTO but this extra jack plug has no label its blank but would it be considered another output jack? which output shoudl i use with another cable to go to the gtr amplifier input jack? Then does the output of the gtr amplifier OR one of the outputs of the DI Box go to one of the channels of my dual channel stereo Preamp jack/xlr input?

please help sorry it been hard to describe but thats where i've been stuck becuz the DI Box has no label on whether this extra jack is an input or extra output.

thank you for any and all help,

Paul

[DontLetMeDrown]

Trying to simplify this as much as possible:

DI box should have: 1 input (plug guitar into this), 1 thru (this goes to your amp), 1 output (this goes to an input on your board/interface).

1. Plug a cable from DI box output into a channel - lets say channel 1
2. Mic the amp - plug the mic into channel 2

simple, right?thumbsup

[Roland]

Originally Posted by Paul762

My DI box has some confusing outputs because one extra jack next to the input jack has no label, i dont know if its output or an input, but on the opposite end of the di box actually has a label jack "output".
So do I:
First take my guitar output plug the instrument cable into the input of DI box then AT THIS POINT THERE ARE TWO MORE JACK PLUGS ON THE DIX BOX,ONE SAYS OUTPUTS AND THE OTHER IS ON THE SANME SIDE OF THE INPUT THA TTHE INSTRUMENT IS PLUGGED INTO but this extra jack plug has no label its blank but would it be considered another output jack? which output shoudl i use with another cable to go to the gtr amplifier input jack? Then does the output of the gtr amplifier OR one of the outputs of the DI Box go to one of the channels of my dual channel stereo Preamp jack/xlr input?

please help sorry it been hard to describe but thats where i've been stuck becuz the DI Box has no label on whether this extra jack is an input or extra output.

thank you for any and all help,

Paul

As a DI box needs to have two outputs to really be of much use I suspect the unlabeled jack is the thru output to go to the instrument amp, consulting the documentation that came with the DI box or posting the make and model for us here would confirm that for you.

Regards


Roland

[Paul762]

Originally Posted by Roland

As a DI box needs to have two outputs to really be of much use I suspect the unlabeled jack is the thru output to go to the instrument amp, consulting the documentation that came with the DI box or posting the make and model for us here would confirm that for you.

Regards


Roland

thanks mr. "ROLAND" lol and the other user Dontletmedrown.

yes thats better. It was just that whole Thru output. that got it all screwed up with everything else i had experience with in signal flow processing in studio recording.

heres just an example image zoom into this:
http://www.americanmusical.com/item-...WHI-EDB1.html#

the jack next to the input jack was similiar to mine but has no label. that was all. So ill use it as the thru and that should fix any signal flow for me. thank you

[treymonfauntre]

Originally Posted by Paul762

"There shouldn't be any problem with editing a live guitar track unless other musicians are playing in the room at the same time and you are getting bleed (sound of other instruments or guitar being heard on the mics recording other instruments), I suspect that you have missunderstood what has been told to you."

Ok but i have a DI box that has these inputs and outputs: 2 IN's and 1 XLR output. how do i do that with these limited outputs from the DI box? if i want to try and go out to my AMP then also out to my preamp input??

should i get a new one?

what is a Quality basic industry standard for a DI BOX you'd recomend to start off for Holidays Sales?, mine is not good for these setups possibly.

thanks so much,

Paul

Originally Posted by Paul762

where did you go i waiting for any responses on my last few questions...

anybody find it silly that these posts are 5 minutes apart?

[quincyg]

yep. like i said, one of the most interesting posts i have seen.

[George Necola]

this might help yu as well

http://www.lehle.com/frameset.php?co..._Link=products



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