Waves SSL o SSL Duende?

AMIEL · 3rd December 2006, 11:29 PM

Hi! I just want to know your opinion about which plug ins sounds more realistic to an SSL... o better.

Waves got the authorization and approval of SSL..and wlel Duende is SSL!

Somebody tested , A/B ?

Please I know URS and others made a kind of SSL plug ins...but i just want to know your opinion between the authorizes SSL Plug ins.

Thanks!

Sid Viscous · 4th December 2006, 01:38 AM

I've never used the Duende or real SSL, but the Waves package is fantastic to me.

T_R_S · 4th December 2006, 01:56 AM

SSL Duunde has software bugs

(In Protools) , Waves no bugs

.

As much as I dislike Waves, I hate software with bugs in it more.

AMIEL · 4th December 2006, 02:35 AM

TRS why did u dislike waves??????

Rev. Robb · 4th December 2006, 04:38 AM

I have the Waves and my friend has the Duende. They both sound fantastic! We have performed an A/B and we both agree that the Duende is a bit smoother and a bit bigger sounding. There are drawbacks to the Duende though. Your are limited to 32 tracks. If your computer has the horsepower then the Waves could offer you an advantage.

Silver Sonya · 4th December 2006, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev. Robb

I have the Waves and my friend has the Duende. They both sound fantastic! We have performed an A/B and we both agree that the Duende is a bit smoother and a bit bigger sounding. There are drawbacks to the Duende though. Your are limited to 32 tracks. If your computer has the horsepower then the Waves could offer you an advantage.

Respectfully, I submit that if you need more than 32 tracks of plug-ins, something is going wrong in your music or your recording.

--- chad

Rev. Robb · 4th December 2006, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver Sonya

Respectfully, I submit that if you need more than 32 tracks of plug-ins, something is going wrong in your music or your recording.

--- chad

I was simply pointing out the differences between the two...

AMIEL · 4th December 2006, 05:03 AM

Thanks !Rev Robb !
And yes Silver, I do believe that 32 tracks is more than enough too!! besides that I have other Plug ins :EQs and Comps so I can have different colors.
I have a Protools HD3 with a Mac Pro.....So I have a lot DSP Power ,,,,but I always like to have plenty of DSP Power this is why I was thinking about the Duende.....but also the waves can be native o TDM...but the Duende will be jon his own!
I just want to know if the difference is meaningful and maybe more noticeble with more tracks together!
Also the GUI is the same? o the SSL looks better than the Waves that already looks great! there is any difference any feauture (button) less?

warhead · 4th December 2006, 05:05 AM

I was never able to use side by side, but they both seemed to sound very similar.

War

AMIEL · 4th December 2006, 05:14 AM

war what is you best $4500 mixer summing box choice?

**TonyBelmont** · 4th December 2006, 05:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIEL

war what is you best $4500 mixer summing box choice?

Wow, that came out of left field..

warhead · 4th December 2006, 06:14 AM

Left field it is.

Since it's your thread I'll just go with your topic change flow Amiel.

If you read many of my posts you'll realize I'm just not a huge summing buss guy. I've only seriously investigated a couple of them and do find the Folcrom paired with different preamps can be a different sound that goes well with an easy DAW workflow etc. Recall is important to many these days (me too).

The Phoenix Nicerizer 16 I've spent time with, and found it to be a very nice sound indeed. I'm convinced a lot of that sweetness is on the output transformers being pushed a bit, but nonetheless it added a dimensional difference to the sound depending on how I pushed it.

I've also re-recorded mixes back into Nuendo and heard small differences that I like as well. I think there is a level of energy / punch that slightly drops when doing an internal bounce in Nuendo, but that it sounds pretty damn good played back in real time. It's not real noticeable, but I do miss a little something anyhow when just doing internal bounces.

There's something nice about having everything sounding a bit more "electric" during mixdown, not sure if a summing buss is the answer but...running a mix through something like a Pacifica or ADL600 or a great stereo compressor like the Roll Super Stereo or Drawmer 1968 can be a thing of beauty.

Keep in mind all of this stuff may require better converters (depending on what you have) or at least MORE converters if you go with a buss system.

So, that's my story. I don't push summing boxes but realize at the same time they do change the sound. If you're really looking for a sweetened sound and like the idea of getting outside of the box, consider trying it through some of your 2 channel equipment in real time and see if you dig that.

War

AMIEL · 4th December 2006, 06:27 AM

Thanks war!

Going back to the SSL Plug ins!

anybody else made an A/B with radical setups..specially boosting the freqs?

**James 'LA' Lugo** · 5th December 2006, 09:51 AM

I was gonna call war tomorrow and ask him that exact question. Strange world.

picksail · 5th December 2006, 09:58 AM

The Duende system was pretty underwhelming over in my camp.

The Waves stuff, on the other hand, will be our next acquisition!!!

elambo · 5th December 2006, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by picksail

The Duende system was pretty underwhelming over in my camp.

The Waves stuff, on the other hand, will be our next acquisition!!!

Then you need to prepare yourself to be even more underwhelmed after you get Waves SSL. Duende is a step above Waves so you're shooting even further down the ladder. I'm still boggled that people who have done side-by-side tests would ever prefer Waves, although I doubt many people have tested the two together. For sound quality alone Duende will win every time. Issues with Duende are always bug related, bugs which have been rooted out for the most part with recent software and firmware revisions.

Hasn't this been discussed to death in other threads...?

AMIEL · 5th December 2006, 02:16 PM

Well many people bought the Waves because they came out before! so seems they are defending their investment....I tried the Waves and sound very good...I did not try Duende,,,,,,,,,,,so I am asking to the ones A/B both.

AMIEL · 5th December 2006, 02:26 PM

picksail · 5th December 2006, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elambo

Then you need to prepare yourself to be even more underwhelmed after you get Waves SSL. Duende is a step above Waves so you're shooting even further down the ladder. I'm still boggled that people who have done side-by-side tests would ever prefer Waves, although I doubt many people have tested the two together. For sound quality alone Duende will win every time. Issues with Duende are always bug related, bugs which have been rooted out for the most part with recent software and firmware revisions.

Hasn't this been discussed to death in other threads...?

I have heard both and was hoping that the Duende would be the ONE. It was certainly an ambitious effort and upon it's release was very compelling. Perhaps, they have made some important revisions since my time with it.

The Waves bundle, on the other hand, was more than what I was expecting. I did not expect for it to sound so good!!!

Different strokes...

AMIEL · 6th December 2006, 12:08 AM

mmmmmm...not very clear your opinion.

Sugarman · 9th December 2006, 05:18 AM

Amiel, I've had the Waves SSL bundle for two months now. It completely changed my mixes - for the MUCH better! Before I used Waves Renaissance plugins and for me the SSL bundle is a big step up. And another good thing is that the SSL bundle keeps me from "over"-eq'ing/compressing stuff because it feels much more "real" with the knobs etc.
But I have not tried the Duende. I have heard that they emulate different consoles and therefore sound different - Waves emulates an older analog console, Duende emulates a new digital console. So I've heard, I'm not sure about this...

AMIEL · 9th December 2006, 05:22 AM

Yes! I liked the Waves SSL bundle...but I never tried the Duende...Definetly I need one of those!

Sugarman · 9th December 2006, 05:31 AM

Hey bro. Come down... Didn't mean to hurt you....

AMIEL · 9th December 2006, 05:33 AM

yes need one!!!

Sugarman · 9th December 2006, 05:37 AM

By the way... I just checked up on the console emulation thing... Waves emulates analog console. Duende emulates digital console. So that makes it hard to say wich one sounds most SSL-like.... Apparently they both do - in different ways.
Hope THAT can help you deciding. If not please don't hit me

**TonyBelmont** · 9th December 2006, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugarman

By the way... I just checked up on the console emulation thing... Waves emulates analog console. Duende emulates digital console. So that makes it hard to say wich one sounds most SSL-like.... Apparently they both do - in different ways.
Hope THAT can help you deciding. If not please don't hit me

From what I understand, it's not an emulation but a direct port from their digital console. I have been speaking with SSL about getting a loaner, and I should have one soon. I have been very much against the external DSP thing, but I'm willing to give it a shot and see how it compares to the Waves SSL Bundle I've been using.

Sugarman · 9th December 2006, 05:55 AM

True, you are right, I read that too.

pixelhead · 9th December 2006, 09:06 AM

So I did this test a few months ago and forgot I had the files online for Warren to hear. I was going to do this blind but I will be in sessions all weekend so I wont be able to post the results. This is a track I was mixing for an album. I tries the Waves and SSL. The settings are exact between the two plugs. Take a listen and h

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3rd December 2006, 11:29 PM	#1
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,358	Waves SSL o SSL Duende? Hi! I just want to know your opinion about which plug ins sounds more realistic to an SSL... o better. Waves got the authorization and approval of SSL..and wlel Duende is SSL! Somebody tested , A/B ? Please I know URS and others made a kind of SSL plug ins...but i just want to know your opinion between the authorizes SSL Plug ins. Thanks! __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

4th December 2006, 01:56 AM	#3
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4th December 2006, 02:35 AM	#4
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,358	TRS why did u dislike waves?????? __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

4th December 2006, 04:38 AM	#5
Rev. Robb Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 384	I have the Waves and my friend has the Duende. They both sound fantastic! We have performed an A/B and we both agree that the Duende is a bit smoother and a bit bigger sounding. There are drawbacks to the Duende though. Your are limited to 32 tracks. If your computer has the horsepower then the Waves could offer you an advantage. __________________ Respectfully, Robb

4th December 2006, 01:38 AM	#2
Sid Viscous Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 8,912	I've never used the Duende or real SSL, but the Waves package is fantastic to me.

4th December 2006, 05:03 AM	#8
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,358	Thanks !Rev Robb ! And yes Silver, I do believe that 32 tracks is more than enough too!! besides that I have other Plug ins :EQs and Comps so I can have different colors. I have a Protools HD3 with a Mac Pro.....So I have a lot DSP Power ,,,,but I always like to have plenty of DSP Power this is why I was thinking about the Duende.....but also the waves can be native o TDM...but the Duende will be jon his own! I just want to know if the difference is meaningful and maybe more noticeble with more tracks together! Also the GUI is the same? o the SSL looks better than the Waves that already looks great! there is any difference any feauture (button) less? __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

4th December 2006, 05:05 AM	#9
warhead Jai guru deva om Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 8,321	I was never able to use side by side, but they both seemed to sound very similar. War __________________ Warren Dent Email: warren (at) frontendaudio (dot) com Front End Audio Sells Gear Tuesday Testers: Hear the Gear Shootouts Product Videos on YouTube: Overviews of Gear

4th December 2006, 05:14 AM	#10
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,358	war what is you best $4500 mixer summing box choice? __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

4th December 2006, 06:14 AM	#12
warhead Jai guru deva om Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 8,321	Left field it is. Since it's your thread I'll just go with your topic change flow Amiel. If you read many of my posts you'll realize I'm just not a huge summing buss guy. I've only seriously investigated a couple of them and do find the Folcrom paired with different preamps can be a different sound that goes well with an easy DAW workflow etc. Recall is important to many these days (me too). The Phoenix Nicerizer 16 I've spent time with, and found it to be a very nice sound indeed. I'm convinced a lot of that sweetness is on the output transformers being pushed a bit, but nonetheless it added a dimensional difference to the sound depending on how I pushed it. I've also re-recorded mixes back into Nuendo and heard small differences that I like as well. I think there is a level of energy / punch that slightly drops when doing an internal bounce in Nuendo, but that it sounds pretty damn good played back in real time. It's not real noticeable, but I do miss a little something anyhow when just doing internal bounces. There's something nice about having everything sounding a bit more "electric" during mixdown, not sure if a summing buss is the answer but...running a mix through something like a Pacifica or ADL600 or a great stereo compressor like the Roll Super Stereo or Drawmer 1968 can be a thing of beauty. Keep in mind all of this stuff may require better converters (depending on what you have) or at least MORE converters if you go with a buss system. So, that's my story. I don't push summing boxes but realize at the same time they do change the sound. If you're really looking for a sweetened sound and like the idea of getting outside of the box, consider trying it through some of your 2 channel equipment in real time and see if you dig that. War __________________ Warren Dent Email: warren (at) frontendaudio (dot) com Front End Audio Sells Gear Tuesday Testers: Hear the Gear Shootouts Product Videos on YouTube: Overviews of Gear

4th December 2006, 06:27 AM	#13
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,358	Thanks war! Going back to the SSL Plug ins! anybody else made an A/B with radical setups..specially boosting the freqs? __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

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5th December 2006, 02:16 PM	#17
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,358	Well many people bought the Waves because they came out before! so seems they are defending their investment....I tried the Waves and sound very good...I did not try Duende,,,,,,,,,,,so I am asking to the ones A/B both. __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

5th December 2006, 02:26 PM	#18
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,358	.... __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

6th December 2006, 12:08 AM	#20
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,358	mmmmmm...not very clear your opinion. __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

9th December 2006, 05:18 AM	#21
Sugarman Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 185	Amiel, I've had the Waves SSL bundle for two months now. It completely changed my mixes - for the MUCH better! Before I used Waves Renaissance plugins and for me the SSL bundle is a big step up. And another good thing is that the SSL bundle keeps me from "over"-eq'ing/compressing stuff because it feels much more "real" with the knobs etc. But I have not tried the Duende. I have heard that they emulate different consoles and therefore sound different - Waves emulates an older analog console, Duende emulates a new digital console. So I've heard, I'm not sure about this...

9th December 2006, 05:22 AM	#22
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,358	Yes! I liked the Waves SSL bundle...but I never tried the Duende...Definetly I need one of those! __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

9th December 2006, 05:31 AM	#23
Sugarman Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 185	Hey bro. Come down... Didn't mean to hurt you....

9th December 2006, 05:33 AM	#24
AMIEL Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Fl Posts: 2,358	yes need one!!! __________________ Peace. Reuven Amiel. Focal Monitors ? PM me "There are no rules, just knowledge, good taste and experimentation" "Music was designed to escape from reality for a moment, not to magnify our fears and problems"

9th December 2006, 05:37 AM	#25
Sugarman Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 185	By the way... I just checked up on the console emulation thing... Waves emulates analog console. Duende emulates digital console. So that makes it hard to say wich one sounds most SSL-like.... Apparently they both do - in different ways. Hope THAT can help you deciding. If not please don't hit me

9th December 2006, 05:55 AM	#27
Sugarman Gear maniac Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 185	True, you are right, I read that too.

9th December 2006, 09:06 AM	#28
pixelhead Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Downers Grove, IL Posts: 449	So I did this test a few months ago and forgot I had the files online for Warren to hear. I was going to do this blind but I will be in sessions all weekend so I wont be able to post the results. This is a track I was mixing for an album. I tries the Waves and SSL. The settings are exact between the two plugs. Take a listen and h