1st December 2006
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#1 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter  |  VST Teleportation!
I've been wondering of that was possible to use another computer to run the VST without using Cubase SX's System Link and guess what, it is! I found this little software that let you use a computer as a host server to run the VST and free your DAW CPU ressources. I was concerned about latency issue at first but after I tried it, I was amazed! Now I run all of my Waves SSL 4000 and T-Racks plugins on another computer and I'm now longer worried about mixing with the CPU reaching 100%. http://www.fx-max.com/fxt/ | 
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1st December 2006
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#2 | | Lives for gear
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Not to be a curmudgeon because FXTeleport is a good idea, but the system has a few problems which keeps it from being useful to me.
1. Dongle-authorized plugins can only be run on one machine, the machine with the dongle. So, all my iLok plugins, which is about 60% of them must be run on one machine anyway. The real heavy ones like Waves IR-L can't be split across machines.
2. Technically, it's a violation of many of my plugin's licenses to install them on more than one machine.
3. CPU usage due to the increased network traffic and processing doesn't make the offloading as much of a payoff as it could be (according to some posts in the forums), but this is a minor gripe.
It seems to suit a lot of people just fine though.
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1st December 2006
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#3 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by majortom  Not to be a curmudgeon because FXTeleport is a good idea, but the system has a few problems which keeps it from being useful to me.
1. Dongle-authorized plugins can only be run on one machine, the machine with the dongle. So, all my iLok plugins, which is about 60% of them must be run on one machine anyway. The real heavy ones like Waves IR-L can't be split across machines.
2. Technically, it's a violation of many of my plugin's licenses to install them on more than one machine.
3. CPU usage due to the increased network traffic and processing doesn't make the offloading as much of a payoff as it could be (according to some posts in the forums), but this is a minor gripe.
It seems to suit a lot of people just fine though. |
Yeah I totally understand your point... but since the plugins (let's say my Waves SSL 4000 bundle) are only used on one DAW, does it really violate the licence? I mean.. the goal here is only to share the CPU usage between 2 computers.. not run 2 studios using one licence.. I don't know..  | |
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1st December 2006
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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I'd say the Waves stuff was ok to run because you need the dongle. The other stuff, you aren't adhering to the "letter" of the license, but I would not say you're violating the "spirit" of it. Just my take.
My problem is that I'd want to split my "dongle" plugins across multiple machines. Maybe run the IR-1 on one machine and Izotope Trash on another. Since they're both on the same iLok, I can't do that. I guess I could buy another iLok and transfer the ones that are transferable. The Waves stuff is not... bummer.
Do have to have your DAW software running on both machines too, or does FXTeleport act as a VST container?
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1st December 2006
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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I don't think the licence agreement should be taken to the letter. I think it's ment as copy protection thing...So it wasnt ment for those who paid for the software and use it on their own Pcs, but more to prevent us from installing it on our friends Pcs.
So the ''unwriten rull'' is IMO, that you can install it on as many Pc as you like just so long as they are ''yours''...
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1st December 2006
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#6 | | Lives for gear
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..I forgot to say, FX-T is great  ...
Also it should be noted that Reaper has this now, and it's free. 
look here! http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3273
Reaper is develloping at stike speed!
i also think that a land solution like this will be a standard soon...unless they find something better!
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1st December 2006
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#7 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by majortom I'd say the Waves stuff was ok to run because you need the dongle. The other stuff, you aren't adhering to the "letter" of the license, but I would not say you're violating the "spirit" of it. Just my take.
My problem is that I'd want to split my "dongle" plugins across multiple machines. Maybe run the IR-1 on one machine and Izotope Trash on another. Since they're both on the same iLok, I can't do that. I guess I could buy another iLok and transfer the ones that are transferable. The Waves stuff is not... bummer.
Do have to have your DAW software running on both machines too, or does FXTeleport act as a VST container? | You have a Slave Computer that only runs the VST (don't need Cubase) and the Master (DAW). What happens on the slave computer is that it will only use its CPU for the wrapped plugins.
Then when you are on your DAW you will see your plugin hosted on the other computer has "Waves E-Channel-LAN". You insert it as a normal plugin. The only down point is that if you click to edit the settings of that plugin, the edit screen appear on the slave computer! But here I have a dual-screen so the left LCD screen is the slave computer in a Remote Desktop session!  | |
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1st December 2006
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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The GUI for the plugin appears on the slave computer? Makes sense, I guess. There goes my idea for a server farm of slave computers. Throw a KVM switch into the mix and I guess it could work.
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1st December 2006
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by majortom The GUI for the plugin appears on the slave computer? Makes sense, I guess. There goes my idea for a server farm of slave computers. Throw a KVM switch into the mix and I guess it could work. | A KVM or simply a Remote desktop session!
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1st December 2006
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#10 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Nov 2005 Location: North of Toronto
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i would recommend that you have gigabit LAN on both machines, as this will increase the audio bandwidth dramatically and reduce cpu load.
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1st December 2006
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#11 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by PhonoquO i would recommend that you have gigabit LAN on both machines, as this will increase the audio bandwidth dramatically and reduce cpu load. | that's true! and get a good one too like 3COM...
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1st December 2006
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by luctellier A KVM or simply a Remote desktop session! | I went for synergy instead, wich is similar but you get to keep your screens and see everything at all times...better work flow but you need more space.
I have 3 slaves and controle them with one mouse/keybord...works just like a dual screen.
...and it's free.  | |
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1st December 2006
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#13 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by MustacheVerra I went for synergy instead, wich is similar but you get to keep your screens and see everything at all times...better work flow but you need more space.
I have 3 slaves and controle them with one mouse/keybord...works just like a dual screen.
...and it's free. | Give me a link to download it!  | |
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2nd December 2006
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#14 | | Lives for gear
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here you go: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
The only problem i had with synergy is that the ctrl-alt-del function only works for my slave #1...so i have a keybord connect to my slave 2 and 3 just in case...they are sitting on my slaves in the machine room so it's not really a problem ..
in fact i recommend doing it just in case...(i think the problem has to do with my ''UBS'' keybord...not sure)
You can have synergy start on boot...it takes a little while to start so don't pannic.
And it's well worth the wait.
I suppose i could control my daw as well with synergy but since it's a dual screen, i tough it might be a little hard to set up(you'll understand)...Please let me know if you manage to make it work with a dual screen set up.
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2nd December 2006
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#15 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by MustacheVerra here you go: http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
The only problem i had with synergy is that the ctrl-alt-del function only works for my slave #1...so i have a keybord connect to my slave 2 and 3 just in case...they are sitting on my slaves in the machine room so it's not really a problem ..
in fact i recommend doing it just in case...(i think the problem has to do with my ''UBS'' keybord...not sure)
You can have synergy start on boot...it takes a little while to start so don't pannic.
And it's well worth the wait.
I suppose i could control my daw as well with synergy but since it's a dual screen, i tough it might be a little hard to set up(you'll understand)...Please let me know if you manage to make it work with a dual screen set up. | I am trying this right now, thank you so much.
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3rd December 2006
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#16 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by luctellier I am trying this right now, thank you so much. | Ca me fais plaisir...d'un Quebecois a un autre! ...ou Canadian si tu prefere?...
Translation: My plaisure, from on Canadian to an other....
P.S. Sometimes you will get an error message on the slaves when booting, but don't worry, it will connect anyway...
I had one reel problem once, one of the slave wouldn't connect so i had to reset and that was the end of it!...I suspect it hade more to do with GigaStudio  
Also, this software was recommended/used by the maker of FX-T...The best reference you can get i guess...
Goo luck!
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3rd December 2006
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#17 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Aug 2006 Location: Montreal
Posts: 1,625
Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by MustacheVerra Ca me fais plaisir...d'un Quebecois a un autre! ...ou Canadian si tu prefere?...
Translation: My plaisure, from on Canadian to an other....
P.S. Sometimes you will get an error message on the slaves when booting, but don't worry, it will connect anyway...
I had one reel problem once, one of the slave wouldn't connect so i had to reset and that was the end of it!...I suspect it hade more to do with GigaStudio
Also, this software was recommended/used by the maker of FX-T...The best reference you can get i guess...
Goo luck! |
Hey ben le monde est petit!
Yeah the only thing I don't link with FX-Teleport is that my Waves SSL 4000 plugins are not working now... If I add the G-Channel for example, Cubase simple exit!
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4th December 2006
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#18 | | Lives for gear
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Sorry to hear that!
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4th December 2006
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#19 | | Lives for gear
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So would using a dual core computer violate the EULA? Considering its actually 2 computers
Anyways, I think that if you want to use your plugins on 1 computer, or 2 or 3, who cares. If its all at the same time, by the same user, go for it. It's not like you have a studio with 10 suites, and 1 set of plugins, it's all being used at the same time, and by the same engineer. Same goes with your DAW, or samples......1 user is 1 user, doesnt matter how many computers use it.
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