I'm Giving up and in.

Blackwater · 30th October 2006

So I just made the decision. After 20 years of Mac use, I have broken down and purchased a PC for the studio. I am sad and yet at the same time a bit excited.
There are a few things on the old mac that I'm not sure how to live w/out. # 1 is Soundesigner II. I have kept that software and never let it die even when I was told that it wouldn't run on my G3. Somehow someone got me a copy that worked.
What would a good replacement for this 2 track software. I really loved how easy SDII was to navigate. Something else is Masterlist Cd which I used all the time for my final burn of an album. What would be a good replacement for that as well??

Any suggestions would be great.
Thanks,

Chris

crna59 · 30th October 2006

My suggestion is to go for Sony Sound Forge with it's companion CD Architect. I do believe that SF can open SDII projects.

Regards,
Bruce

mhartman · 30th October 2006

Blackwater, congrats on the switch. I second the notion on Soundforge, it is a great piece of software, I have been using it for years. I believe that Wavelab is worth checking out too, but I haven't really used it.

With the PC, you will love your ability to upgrade with new parts as time goes on. I haven't bought a new PC in years, my box just morphs into the latest technology one part at a time (www.newegg.com is my best friend in that department). I'm sure that the PC vs. Mac crowd will get after you about the switch, but I'm sure that you will be happy. I have always been a PC guy, so I couldn't tell you that one is better than the other.

DontLetMeDrown · 30th October 2006

With so many DAW's available on PC, I'm sure you really can't go wrong no mattter what you pick. As for the CD Burning, I choose Nero because it is very versatile, easy to understand, and it works.

pendejo · 30th October 2006

The timing is a bit odd since the Mac platform is in a better shape than in a very long time (20 yrs..), both in terms of hardware and software. But good luck to you

thenoiseflower · 30th October 2006

, yeah....seriously, plus they are cheaper than ever.

**George Necola** · 30th October 2006

hei common guys

congrat from the "bluescreen"-side of the world...

happy configuring.

and now we stop this MAC vs PC discussion.

ok guys?

stag · 30th October 2006

I don´t use audio editors much but WaveLab and SoundForge seem to be quite good, Also i believe that Samplitude has a version done in purpose to this. For burning i think the most reliable is Prassi Ones, nevertheless WaveLab has CD\DVD mastering.
I edit and process everything inside Cubase.

BTW good luck with the switch, let me had that almost every program created on the last decade still run on XP... I kind of think that Apple flip flopping and now the UB thing has something to with your decision.

Bye.

RusRant · 30th October 2006

Another vote for Sound forge here.

taturana · 31st October 2006

i would suggest wavelab for editing/mastering and cdarchitect for cd burning

sleepwalker · 31st October 2006

I've been a PC guy for years. I've probably built over 50 computers, at least 10 of them for recording purposes. I recently got a 12" powerbook and have since bought my wife a Macbook and myself a Mac Mini. OSX is a much better operating system and the Apple hardware is good.

The PC side is fine, but you must do a lot of research. Certain motherboards are tried and true, others are a crapshoot. I'd get Adobe Audition. It's a lot like Sound Forge, but it's got a Spectrogram editor and a multitrack environment.

I'm going to replace my P4 studio machine with a G5 and the P4 will be dedicated to Audition. The Spectrogram editor is amazing as a mixdown deck.

Gigasampler, Soundforge, Audition, Wavelab, and Acid are all PC only. They're all great programs.

Frankly, I like both platforms. MACs for their OS and hardware, PC for their flexibility and ubquity. If Audition ran on the MAC I'd probably have no need for a PC anymore.

Oh, and OS9 sucks. At least it did for me. When I refer to MACs OS being good, I mean OSX.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhartman

Blackwater, congrats on the switch. I second the notion on Soundforge, it is a great piece of software, I have been using it for years. I believe that Wavelab is worth checking out too, but I haven't really used it.

With the PC, you will love your ability to upgrade with new parts as time goes on. I haven't bought a new PC in years, my box just morphs into the latest technology one part at a time (www.newegg.com is my best friend in that department). I'm sure that the PC vs. Mac crowd will get after you about the switch, but I'm sure that you will be happy. I have always been a PC guy, so I couldn't tell you that one is better than the other.

orange · 31st October 2006

Try Wavelab - IMO it's the best bit of audio software you can buy.

remo · 31st October 2006

Quote:

Gigasampler, Soundforge, Audition, Wavelab, and Acid are all PC only.

as is Samplitude, Sonar and SAW Studio... and welcome to Voxengo plugins!!

I'm sure there are heaps more...

bcgood · 31st October 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepwalker

I've been a PC guy for years. I've probably built over 50 computers, at least 10 of them for recording purposes. I recently got a 12" powerbook and have since bought my wife a Macbook and myself a Mac Mini. OSX is a much better operating system and the Apple hardware is good.

The PC side is fine, but you must do a lot of research. Certain motherboards are tried and true, others are a crapshoot. I'd get Adobe Audition. It's a lot like Sound Forge, but it's got a Spectrogram editor and a multitrack environment.

I'm going to replace my P4 studio machine with a G5 and the P4 will be dedicated to Audition. The Spectrogram editor is amazing as a mixdown deck.

Gigasampler, Soundforge, Audition, Wavelab, and Acid are all PC only. They're all great programs.

Frankly, I like both platforms. MACs for their OS and hardware, PC for their flexibility and ubquity. If Audition ran on the MAC I'd probably have no need for a PC anymore.

Oh, and OS9 sucks. At least it did for me. When I refer to MACs OS being good, I mean OSX.

uncle duncan · 31st October 2006

Just keep in mind every studio needs two computers: so you can master and burn CD's on one while you're printing CD packaging, lyrics sheets, and the all-important invoice on the other one. This will give you the excuse to buy a new Mac, and when you hit the wall with your new PC (Piece 'o Crap) you can delegate your mastering/CD burning duties to Bill Gates while you enjoy the enhanced funtionality, elegance, and dependability of OSX.

"DP is my Higher Power"

chymer · 31st October 2006

Man, get SOUNDSCAPE and be done with it ok.
Mac vs PC....who gives a toss.
get soundscape....
Chymer

chymer · 31st October 2006

Ok, so its not a stereo editor.....
Chymer

7 Hz · 31st October 2006

Mac vs PC?

Pffffft, get an Atari ST

LogicBoy · 31st October 2006

Hi,

I was a pc user fro many years and then turned to mac I am now really considering going back to Pc. PCi slots and more availability of software the main reasons. I went to Mac because of Logic but now I use Live more so with the Pc it doesnt matter so much.

Cheers

stag · 31st October 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepwalker

OSX is a much better operating system and the Apple hardware is good.

Oh, and OS9 sucks. At least it did for me. When I refer to MACs OS being good, I mean OSX.

In your opinion, i guess. btw have you read the forum rules? Is it okay going into a apples thread and brag abourt my fanless, 4xQuad CPU little machine?

frans · 31st October 2006

Yeah, get an Atari or a C64- just to impress clients! Or for some nice games. Come on, you know you need two computers, one for work and another for the web, writing bills and that. You don't surf with your main machine, do you?

Blackwater · 31st October 2006

Sound Forge it is. Just bought it.
You guys are the bomb!!

Thanks,

Chris

drockfresh · 31st October 2006

great buy

Sound Forge rocks

manning1 · 31st October 2006

water...
just some ideas....pc.
1. core 2 duo is very fast. but amd's dual cores are no slouch.
but duo is king right now.
2. load up on memory. xp likes lots of memory.
3. i prefer drives with 16 mb cache.
4. make sure you have a power supply that doesnt puff out as you add peripherals in the future.
5. i dont know what your needs are in the multitracking or midi area.
but on some lazy sunday check out what i use in my sig.
(reaper very strong on the audio side, powertracks very strong on the midi side as well as lots of interesting audio features.)
also on the reaper forums is a VERY interesting thread about pc audio plug ins that folks like and what works etc. in case your looking for plug ins.
ie..audio fx/comp/lims/echo/rvb/amp sims etc etc.
you also might find noisevault.com interesting.
as well as kvr-vst.com re plug ins etc.
sound forge is very nice, but also at hitsquad.com are various
free/shareware stereo editors you might find have some feature you might find usefull.
peace.

area51recording · 31st October 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7 Hz

Mac vs PC?

Pffffft, get an Atari S

....I've actually got one of these sitting on my kitchen table right now! I LOVE the tight midi timing, but can't seem to find anywhere to get DS/DD floppy's and the damn thing dosen't like HD discs. Anyone know where I can find some?

MonoBrow · 31st October 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by area51recording

....I've actually got one of these sitting on my kitchen table right now! I LOVE the tight midi timing, but can't seem to find anywhere to get DS/DD floppy's and the damn thing dosen't like HD discs. Anyone know where I can find some?

http://www.atari-fachmarkt.de/

Hattrick · 31st October 2006

I have contemplated going to MAC because of all the hype, however I have been able to run Cubase and Wavelab with no issues ever on a PC. I second the New Egg approach to building a DAW. I have found that I enjoy making my own PC's as well as all the choices for upgradeing when needed. In addtion as boring as a Windows is it still works if you know how to configure it and correctly for your application.

area51recording · 31st October 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fluxpod

http://www.atari-fachmarkt.de/

...COOL! However my German's a little rusty

Anyway to get this site to come up in English?

MonoBrow · 31st October 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by area51recording

...COOL! However my German's a little rusty

Anyway to get this site to come up in English?

I never tried that.. may google translate(autch) buut its the bestest shop for everything st and falcon related.(no i dont work there) I bought 1 work hd, 1 changeable hd, unitor 2, notator sl, and a lot of other software there.

untitledtopher · 31st October 2006

man i have an atari and a commafore 64,

oh yeah a mac

30th October 2006	#1
Blackwater Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Webster N.H. Posts: 510 Thread Starter	I'm Giving up and in. So I just made the decision. After 20 years of Mac use, I have broken down and purchased a PC for the studio. I am sad and yet at the same time a bit excited. There are a few things on the old mac that I'm not sure how to live w/out. # 1 is Soundesigner II. I have kept that software and never let it die even when I was told that it wouldn't run on my G3. Somehow someone got me a copy that worked. What would a good replacement for this 2 track software. I really loved how easy SDII was to navigate. Something else is Masterlist Cd which I used all the time for my final burn of an album. What would be a good replacement for that as well?? Any suggestions would be great. Thanks, Chris __________________ Chris Westerman Blackwater Sound and Mastering __________________________ ______________ "That Kick drum is so subliminal, It's Animal!"

30th October 2006	#2
crna59 Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Issaquah, WA Posts: 480	My suggestion is to go for Sony Sound Forge with it's companion CD Architect. I do believe that SF can open SDII projects. Regards, Bruce __________________ Bruce A. Brown Puget Sound Studios Mastering & Post Production

30th October 2006	#3
mhartman Gear addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 391	Blackwater, congrats on the switch. I second the notion on Soundforge, it is a great piece of software, I have been using it for years. I believe that Wavelab is worth checking out too, but I haven't really used it. With the PC, you will love your ability to upgrade with new parts as time goes on. I haven't bought a new PC in years, my box just morphs into the latest technology one part at a time (www.newegg.com is my best friend in that department). I'm sure that the PC vs. Mac crowd will get after you about the switch, but I'm sure that you will be happy. I have always been a PC guy, so I couldn't tell you that one is better than the other. __________________ HOMER: “Mr. Burns, you’re the richest man I know.” MR. BURNS: “Ah yes, but I’d trade it all for a little bit more...."

31st October 2006	#15
uncle duncan Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 3,585	Just keep in mind every studio needs two computers: so you can master and burn CD's on one while you're printing CD packaging, lyrics sheets, and the all-important invoice on the other one. This will give you the excuse to buy a new Mac, and when you hit the wall with your new PC (Piece 'o Crap) you can delegate your mastering/CD burning duties to Bill Gates while you enjoy the enhanced funtionality, elegance, and dependability of OSX. "DP is my Higher Power" __________________ "You're either with a native DAW, or you're with the terrorists." G.W. Busch Lite

31st October 2006	#18
7 Hz Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,013	Mac vs PC? Pffffft, get an Atari ST __________________ "You're going to AMPLIFY this crap?!?!?"

30th October 2006	#4
DontLetMeDrown Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Camarillo, CA Posts: 1,789	With so many DAW's available on PC, I'm sure you really can't go wrong no mattter what you pick. As for the CD Burning, I choose Nero because it is very versatile, easy to understand, and it works.

30th October 2006	#5
pendejo Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Francisco / Marbella Posts: 205	The timing is a bit odd since the Mac platform is in a better shape than in a very long time (20 yrs..), both in terms of hardware and software. But good luck to you

30th October 2006	#6
thenoiseflower Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 1,424	, yeah....seriously, plus they are cheaper than ever.

30th October 2006	#8
stag Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Over myself Posts: 929	I don´t use audio editors much but WaveLab and SoundForge seem to be quite good, Also i believe that Samplitude has a version done in purpose to this. For burning i think the most reliable is Prassi Ones, nevertheless WaveLab has CD\DVD mastering. I edit and process everything inside Cubase. BTW good luck with the switch, let me had that almost every program created on the last decade still run on XP... I kind of think that Apple flip flopping and now the UB thing has something to with your decision. Bye.

30th October 2006	#9
RusRant Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: B'ham, AL Posts: 998	Another vote for Sound forge here.

31st October 2006	#10
taturana Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Posts: 4,007 13 Reviews written	i would suggest wavelab for editing/mastering and cdarchitect for cd burning

31st October 2006	#12
orange Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 1,688	Try Wavelab - IMO it's the best bit of audio software you can buy.

31st October 2006	#16
chymer Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sydney Posts: 717	Man, get SOUNDSCAPE and be done with it ok. Mac vs PC....who gives a toss. get soundscape.... Chymer

31st October 2006	#19
LogicBoy Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 91	Hi, I was a pc user fro many years and then turned to mac I am now really considering going back to Pc. PCi slots and more availability of software the main reasons. I went to Mac because of Logic but now I use Live more so with the Pc it doesnt matter so much. Cheers

31st October 2006	#21
frans Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bavaria, Germany Posts: 1,329	Yeah, get an Atari or a C64- just to impress clients! Or for some nice games. Come on, you know you need two computers, one for work and another for the web, writing bills and that. You don't surf with your main machine, do you? __________________ Property is not ability. Buying a drumset won't make you a drummer and buying gear won't make you an engineer.

31st October 2006	#23
drockfresh Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 582	great buy Sound Forge rocks

31st October 2006	#24
manning1 Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: canada Posts: 3,998	water... just some ideas....pc. 1. core 2 duo is very fast. but amd's dual cores are no slouch. but duo is king right now. 2. load up on memory. xp likes lots of memory. 3. i prefer drives with 16 mb cache. 4. make sure you have a power supply that doesnt puff out as you add peripherals in the future. 5. i dont know what your needs are in the multitracking or midi area. but on some lazy sunday check out what i use in my sig. (reaper very strong on the audio side, powertracks very strong on the midi side as well as lots of interesting audio features.) also on the reaper forums is a VERY interesting thread about pc audio plug ins that folks like and what works etc. in case your looking for plug ins. ie..audio fx/comp/lims/echo/rvb/amp sims etc etc. you also might find noisevault.com interesting. as well as kvr-vst.com re plug ins etc. sound forge is very nice, but also at hitsquad.com are various free/shareware stereo editors you might find have some feature you might find usefull. peace. __________________ i'm just a dumb computer engr (ret'd)...."quantum computing is the future" running a native software studio daw...Powertracks and Reaper on amd. new cockney album released http://therockingbloodbrothers.blogspot.com/ my other little songs www.motagator.com/bmanning

31st October 2006	#27
Hattrick Gear nut Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Taylorsville, UT Posts: 100	I have contemplated going to MAC because of all the hype, however I have been able to run Cubase and Wavelab with no issues ever on a PC. I second the New Egg approach to building a DAW. I have found that I enjoy making my own PC's as well as all the choices for upgradeing when needed. In addtion as boring as a Windows is it still works if you know how to configure it and correctly for your application. __________________ Hattrick

31st October 2006	#30
untitledtopher Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 153	man i have an atari and a commafore 64, oh yeah a mac

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