What ? Core 2 duo is tops for audio ?

[lukejs]

Is this true ? will a 6700 2.4 ghz core 2 duo machine beat an Athlon 64 fx62 ? Is this because of the faster front side bus speeds and DDR2 memory speeds , or what ? If it´s true...mann... for 300 bucks I could have a faster processor than any amd ?

[manning1]

i got my hands on a core 2 duo.
from my testing...damn fast.
first time ive liked intel....cos i'm an amd fan.
but do your own testing and see your own conclusions.
JUST REMEMBER.....before spending your buks...
multiple cores are just THE START of a new exciting era.
thus THINK......i believe lots more cores to come.

[Matteran]

yeah, any core 2 duo will pretty much beat anything else. Intel is back on top for the time being. And if AMD doesn't get their act and pricing together, Intel might be there for a while.

[Pronecobra]

About a year ago I got a really good deal on a HP Media Center PC (the kind with that big personal media drive bay in the front) and decided to make it my "Strictly for Audio Recording" computer because it is better than what I already had and it has a dual core processor, in this case an Pentium D 820--I just to delete all of the uneccesary software and deactivate needlss peripherals. As a Media Center PC, it had all types of bells and whistles, a coaxial TV cconnection, etc. Then the Core Duo came to prominence, promising td superior performance compared to the Pentium D. Fast forward a few months and now the Core 2 Duo is out, promising I think 60% more power than. Man I want a Core 2 Duo!!!

[lukejs]

Well this is good news,....I think... because I bet if I buy a core 2 duo and an Intel motherboard, then the daw system should be pretty stable , no ? I have a P4 3.4 ghz DAW now, with an Intel motherboard and is glitch free...... this is good news for Intel.... I have an AMD x2 4400 new in the box...anybody want it ? hahhaha

[Fluxpod]

Originally Posted by lukejs

Well this is good news,....I think... because I bet if I buy a core 2 duo and an Intel motherboard, then the daw system should be pretty stable , no ? I have a P4 3.4 ghz DAW now, with an Intel motherboard and is glitch free...... this is good news for Intel.... I have an AMD x2 4400 new in the box...anybody want it ? hahhaha

Even the 1.86 ghz core duo will be faster than your current daw.

[lukejs]

Originally Posted by Fluxpod

Even the 1.86 ghz core duo will be faster than your current daw.

NO $hit ??? Mann.... that was 550 bucks I spent about 6 months ago... down the drain !! I´m surprised that even the slowest core 2 duo would beat my amd athlon 64 x2 4400..... why ? the athlon has 2.2 mhz per processor .....

[Fluxpod]

Originally Posted by lukejs

NO $hit ??? Mann.... that was 550 bucks I spent about 6 months ago... down the drain !! I´m surprised that even the slowest core 2 duo would beat my amd athlon 64 x2 4400..... why ? the athlon has 2.2 mhz per processor .....

The architecture is just KICKASS!!! It is a very very good chip,but maybe you want to go for the 4mb cache version.

[lukejs]

Originally Posted by Fluxpod

The architecture is just KICKASS!!! It is a very very good chip,but maybe you want to go for the 4mb cache version.

Yeah ! the 6700 is the 2.4 ghz one, where they start with a 4 mb cache... it´s only 300 bucks !! I´m starting to like Intel again !!

[Fluxpod]

Originally Posted by lukejs

Yeah ! the 6700 is the 2.4 ghz one, where they start with a 4 mb cache... it´s only 300 bucks !! I´m starting to like Intel again !!

Go for it!

[manning1]

luke...
you said money down the drain.
not being funny but...you might be saying the same in a years time if you jump in too early.
it really depends how fast your studio revenue can pay for the machine. cos hi tech is compressing the time domain.....lol.
and turning over fast.

me personally i'm waiting for the dust to settle a bit as its early days for this new round of processor wars.
also remember on a pc (and mac imho...) there are many internal architectural upgrades i feel still need to be addressed like the internal bus designs etc for more throughput to help audio applications.....
in summary its MORE than just the processor. i feel faster/better internal bus and also hard drive technology is also needed.

others might disagree with me...but i suspect that 2 years time will be the sweet spot.
yeh...i KNOW.....ME TOO.....its tough to keep on passing the candy store without popping in and buying....lol. but one must be strong.....lol.

[cdog]

The Core 2s are pretty sweet....

But how about those Quad Core Xeons....??!

Those things are CRAZY.

And its just the beginning....

We got screwed there for about 3 years where Moore's law just froze in time....

Now we're back to every 18 months, double the juice, or more.

[lukejs]

Originally Posted by manning1

luke...
you said money down the drain.
not being funny but...you might be saying the same in a years time if you jump in too early.
it really depends how fast your studio revenue can pay for the machine. cos hi tech is compressing the time domain.....lol.
and turning over fast.

me personally i'm waiting for the dust to settle a bit as its early days for this new round of processor wars.
also remember on a pc (and mac imho...) there are many internal architectural upgrades i feel still need to be addressed like the internal bus designs etc for more throughput to help audio applications.....
in summary its MORE than just the processor. i feel faster/better internal bus and also hard drive technology is also needed.

others might disagree with me...but i suspect that 2 years time will be the sweet spot.
yeh...i KNOW.....ME TOO.....its tough to keep on passing the candy store without popping in and buying....lol. but one must be strong.....lol.

HI ! thanks Manning... I think you´re probably right...I´ve got two powercores and two uad´1´s that I plan on installing on that AMD x2 4400 machine with the Asus A8V deluxe...that hopefully will come back from Asus soon.... (I got a defective one !!) I´ll try to get that setup working , and after a year , upgrade my dsp cards to pci express, and upgrade to another PC platform like Intel quad cores or whatever is working nicely for audio at that time. thanks for the advice everyone !!!

[mdsmith64]

Maybe you guys could give advice to someone who is using a single core processor and wants to upgrade to a dual core before starting his next project (me of course). It appears that for someone like me, the Intel Core Duo is the chip to get performance-wise. What do think? I was set on upgrading to one of the AMD X2 chips and then the Core Duo comes along and upsets my apple cart. Now I'm torn. Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,

Mike.

[Sinewave]

Hi guys i seem to out of the game for a while now, what is the Intel equivalent of the AMD Dual Dual core Opterons ? is it the the Intel Xeon's ? i was looking into investing into a Dual Dual core Opteron but Intel looks much cheaper.
With what chips from intel could i use to build a Dual Dual core or Quad core ?.
I was looking recently at the Intel Xeon 5130 4 mb cache, and what mother board would you recommend ?. Thankyou for your time.

[captain caveman]

Originally Posted by lukejs

.....I´ve got two powercores and two uad´1´s that I plan on installing on that AMD x2 4400 machine with the Asus A8V deluxe........ I´ll try to get that setup working ,

You won't get Powercore PCI Mk1 and Mk2 working without system wide crashing on an Asus A8V Deluxe with an X2 processor. The firewire works ok though.

The crashing happens most frequently when the host CPU starts getting high and the Powercore DSPs start getting filled up..... ie when you are getting right into something.

To get UAD-1 and Powercore PCI/Mk2 working together at the same time with X2 you need to get a ULi chipset motherboard, or to heavily tweak an Nforce3. I've heard success stories with the Gigabyte K8U-939 as far as the ULi is concerned.

Obviously don't just take my word for it, here is the Powercore Forum thread about it.

I ended up getting a Core 2 Duo E6600 setup and overclocked it to 3.1Ghz. At this speed its about twice as fast as the X2 4400 at stock speed in my observations. No issues with the Powercore Mk2 or UAD-1 either.

But please have a read at the Powercore thread before you lose any hair follicles over the Poco crashing the Asus board.

[ten]

Originally Posted by Sinewave

Hi guys i seem to out of the game for a while now, what is the Intel equivalent of the AMD Dual Dual core Opterons ? is it the the Intel Xeon's ? i was looking into investing into a Dual Dual core Opteron but Intel looks much cheaper.
With what chips from intel could i use to build a Dual Dual core or Quad core ?.
I was looking recently at the Intel Xeon 5130 4 mb cache, and what mother board would you recommend ?. Thankyou for your time.

Using an AMD Dual dualcore system here myself. Its a lovely machine and works wonders in Nuendo/Cubase. The Intel equiv are Xeons yes, the most recent version 51xx (woodcrest) give AMAZING results in daw apps. Quadcore Xeons are out middle of Nov called (clovertowns.) These will be drop into 51xx boards with a bios update and then you would have a dual quadcore (octal) monster! :) I am actually speccing up this exact system at the moment, should be good......sad to see the old dual-dual AMD go tho, its still a beast of a machine but 4cpus to 8cpus is something I need to try......NOW! ;-)

Yes, you can use any of the 51xx range, and you can upgrade them to quads later down the line.

I am personally going to use this board...
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/tempesti5000xt.html

It has 3 pci slots and 3 pci-e slots, firewire, sas, sata. It also uses the later greengreek (5000X) chipset which gives better memory performance over the bensley (5000P or V).

Mine should be here next week (UK) but you can already order them in the US..
http://www.computerhq.com/Tyan_hunde...id-761990.html
It also comes in a non-sas version which is about $50 cheaper.

A couple of others are:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/m...000X/X7DAE.cfm
and
http://www.iwill.net/product_2.asp?p_id=108&sp=Y

They are all very similar but I think Tyans is the best for Daw use and have really good support with these types of board.

Btw, I have 2x 5130s for sale if your interested. Brand new in the box and never used.

Cheers,

Tom

[DeeDrive]

If anybody wants a brand new E6700 Core 2 Duo chip for $400 bucks, PM me. They are $509 at new egg right now.

[ten]

Fx Teleport doesnt actually give you more CPU though does it :-) It justs let you use multiple systems together (not always with the best results.) I am sure most people would, like myself prefer to have a single system doing all the work over multiple ones, especially with the added latency and inability to run slave plugin guis on the host machine.

ten

[Sinewave]

Originally Posted by ten

Using an AMD Dual dualcore system here myself. Its a lovely machine and works wonders in Nuendo/Cubase. The Intel equiv are Xeons yes, the most recent version 51xx (woodcrest) give AMAZING results in daw apps. Quadcore Xeons are out middle of Nov called (clovertowns.) These will be drop into 51xx boards with a bios update and then you would have a dual quadcore (octal) monster! :) I am actually speccing up this exact system at the moment, should be good......sad to see the old dual-dual AMD go tho, its still a beast of a machine but 4cpus to 8cpus is something I need to try......NOW! ;-)

Yes, you can use any of the 51xx range, and you can upgrade them to quads later down the line.

I am personally going to use this board...
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/tempesti5000xt.html

It has 3 pci slots and 3 pci-e slots, firewire, sas, sata. It also uses the later greengreek (5000X) chipset which gives better memory performance over the bensley (5000P or V).

Mine should be here next week (UK) but you can already order them in the US..
http://www.computerhq.com/Tyan_hunde...id-761990.html
It also comes in a non-sas version which is about $50 cheaper.

A couple of others are:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/m...000X/X7DAE.cfm
and
http://www.iwill.net/product_2.asp?p_id=108&sp=Y

They are all very similar but I think Tyans is the best for Daw use and have really good support with these types of board.

Btw, I have 2x 5130s for sale if your interested. Brand new in the box and never used.

Cheers,

Tom

Hey Tom Wow nice info ,Dual Quad core Xeons, what did you call it Octal monster, these are really exciting times, let me know how things are progressing with you.
and thanks,
Regards.

[lordnielson]

Upgraded recently from a pentium 4 3.3ghz to E6600 and I don't even know if it's 3-4 times faster or more. It just seems to chew plugins for breakfast, come back for seconds.

With quads they can start bringing in the UAD neve1073's running native on every track. They won't, but they could