ITB MIX SOUNDS SOOO SMALL! WHY IS THAT

campsite · 12th October 2006, 03:38 AM

Hey guys..Im using ProTools LE and just finished a mix on a project. I did a bounce to disk out to my desktop and dragged the file into ITunes. I compared it to a commercial cd of a local artist and there mix was soooo much BIGGER and W-I-D-E-R than mine. ive seen some clips on the making of the album of the local artist. some clips shows them in the studio with the enginner and looks like he was playing the tracks of of Protools but mixing on a console. Is there a HUGE difference from mixing ITB than mixing on a console and if so,what are they?

adrianex · 12th October 2006, 03:55 AM

That discussion has been done before, I would recomend you to to a search.

Cheers

RoundBadge · 12th October 2006, 04:12 AM

Yep,search is your friend.

Guys are nailing ITB more and more everyday.
Check this guy out:

http://gearslutz.com/board/showthrea...&highlight=itb

And here:

http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=87140

Maybe post your mixes in the MP3 upload section for some constructive advice from other guys here:

http://gearslutz.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=38

max cooper · 12th October 2006, 05:21 AM

There are a hundred factors that could make a commercial CD bigger, wider, etc.

Every link in the chain, basically.

Band, engineer, room, the whole recording chain, monitors, etc.

mixerguy · 12th October 2006, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by max cooper

There are a hundred factors that could make a commercial CD bigger, wider, etc.

Every link in the chain, basically.

Band, engineer, room, the whole recording chain, monitors, etc.

you had better include mastering, and of course, time spent polishing things....

uncle duncan · 12th October 2006, 09:42 AM

One aspect to the 'wider' thing is panning things hard left and hard right. Another is levels and the relationship between rhythm section, vocal, and instruments. If you get your kick/snare/bass/vocal thing set, and then bring in the other instruments, and don't touch the kick/snare/bass/vocal from then on, this will require you to blend in the instruments in such a way as to not interfere with the basic parameters you set with your initial setup. Also, A/B-ing your mix with the other CD while you're working on your mix helps. It also helps to check your mix at a super low volume. A lot of serious mix engineers work at a low volume most of the time and only turn it up to check when they think they're done. EQ also affects the space. If everything is bright, everything clashes with everything else. Since you're ITB, you should be able to experiment and come back later to check your work. I always find things in the mix to change the next day.

campsite · 12th October 2006, 04:54 PM

well it just seems like my whole is in mono compared to some other commercial cd.its not wide enough.everything sounds so narrow,even the things i have panned hard left and right.i mean you can tell there is some pan on some channels but its sounds like things are not pannaed enough.

cdog · 12th October 2006, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by campsite

Is there a HUGE difference from mixing ITB than mixing on a console and if so,what are they?

The only difference is the console is analog and ITB is digital.

They perform the same functions.

You can get a high quality mix from either.

Experience and skill outweigh tools 99% of the time.

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12th October 2006, 03:38 AM	#1
campsite Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 32	ITB MIX SOUNDS SOOO SMALL! WHY IS THAT Hey guys..Im using ProTools LE and just finished a mix on a project. I did a bounce to disk out to my desktop and dragged the file into ITunes. I compared it to a commercial cd of a local artist and there mix was soooo much BIGGER and W-I-D-E-R than mine. ive seen some clips on the making of the album of the local artist. some clips shows them in the studio with the enginner and looks like he was playing the tracks of of Protools but mixing on a console. Is there a HUGE difference from mixing ITB than mixing on a console and if so,what are they?

12th October 2006, 03:55 AM	#2
adrianex Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 698	That discussion has been done before, I would recomend you to to a search. Cheers __________________ Adrianex (a.k.a DEMORI) www.demori.net www.myspace.com/demorimusic www.soundclick.com/demorimusic

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12th October 2006, 04:12 AM	#3
RoundBadge Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca. Posts: 5,560	Yep,search is your friend. Guys are nailing ITB more and more everyday. Check this guy out: http://gearslutz.com/board/showthrea...&highlight=itb And here: http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=87140 Maybe post your mixes in the MP3 upload section for some constructive advice from other guys here: http://gearslutz.com/board/forumdisplay.php?f=38

12th October 2006, 05:21 AM	#4
max cooper Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: tx Posts: 8,819	There are a hundred factors that could make a commercial CD bigger, wider, etc. Every link in the chain, basically. Band, engineer, room, the whole recording chain, monitors, etc.

12th October 2006, 09:42 AM	#6
uncle duncan Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,927	One aspect to the 'wider' thing is panning things hard left and hard right. Another is levels and the relationship between rhythm section, vocal, and instruments. If you get your kick/snare/bass/vocal thing set, and then bring in the other instruments, and don't touch the kick/snare/bass/vocal from then on, this will require you to blend in the instruments in such a way as to not interfere with the basic parameters you set with your initial setup. Also, A/B-ing your mix with the other CD while you're working on your mix helps. It also helps to check your mix at a super low volume. A lot of serious mix engineers work at a low volume most of the time and only turn it up to check when they think they're done. EQ also affects the space. If everything is bright, everything clashes with everything else. Since you're ITB, you should be able to experiment and come back later to check your work. I always find things in the mix to change the next day.

12th October 2006, 04:54 PM	#7
campsite Gear Head Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 32	well it just seems like my whole is in mono compared to some other commercial cd.its not wide enough.everything sounds so narrow,even the things i have panned hard left and right.i mean you can tell there is some pan on some channels but its sounds like things are not pannaed enough.