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4th October 2006, 05:12 PM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: los angeles
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| this sucks ... http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/msg/215917628.html this hurts all opf us ... selling off for nearly half price .... makes our gear appear worth less than it really is ... just wanted to share this with fellow HD owners ... i understand that gear loses value but this is pushing the envelope ... scarey ... hold on to your shorts ... 192 I/O's will be for sale for 1200.00 next week ... peace john |
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4th October 2006, 05:44 PM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Santa Fe, NM
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| How does this hurt anyone exactly? Why do you care what this guy is selling his gear for? The market determines what your stuff is worth when you sell it, and one guy selling too low (if in fact that's the case) is bad for him, good for his buyer, and has only the most minimal impact on your sale. If you're not selling your gear, and it just makes you feel bad about what you paid, well, that's life. The fact that prices keep falling and equipment keeps getting better is a Really Good Thing for everyone. Consider the alternative, say, the microphone market. The technology peaked 40 years ago and has been pretty stagnant since then, and prices for quality gear are very high and continue to rise. Would you rather that be the case across the board? |
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4th October 2006, 05:47 PM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: tx
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| Uh, what? It's worth what it's worth. I don't see how one guy on Craig's List crashed the market. Go buy a new Mustang and then go see what used 2006 Mustangs sell for. |
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4th October 2006, 06:28 PM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: los angeles
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| yes i am selling my gear ... this is the beginning .. not a market indicator ... this is how this starts ... and this is not the only instance ... i was PM'd about another such deal here in LA about 2 minutes after i posted this .. i will not reveal my source ... if i would have wrote this more like a news article and not a personal letter to a group of people that own this gear and work in this business it might read like this .. Flash !!!!! sunday / sunday / sunday ... one day only !!! prices slashed on Digidesign HD core cards by nearly 50% .... first 100 buyers get a free toaster .... hurry, they will go fast ... bring the kids they can play on the HD ride for free ... it is the downward sliding, belly laughing, blowout ride of the year ... critics are calling it the years best in show ... look fellows, i am stating a fact that is on craigs list and i am pissing about it because i am selling my system and this has the potential to snowball in the lowball ... if this bothers you i am deeply sorry ..... who does it hurt .. it hurts me and my wallet ...... these cards are still worth close to 5 grand ... used ... so i wine ... thanks for listening ... peace john |
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5th October 2006, 07:45 PM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Santa Fe, NM
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The value is strongly affected by how motivated the sellers are--if everybody needs to dump their PT systems in order to have food on the table, they're worth less. Disruptive technologies (like the MacPro/Symphony combo) are going to cause steep drops in value--this is the two-edged sword of technology. It's great on the buying side, and sucks on the selling side. My condolences; I hope you get a good price for your gear. The question you have to ask yourself is whether this is a localized price drop or a market-wide one. If it's the latter, you probably don't want to hold out too long waiting for someone to pay you what you want for this stuff. If it were me, I'd sniff around and get whatever price data is out there (eBay, ads, whatever) and give it a few weeks and see what happens. On the other hand, maybe something is going to be announced at AES tomorrow that will cut the legs out from under the price even more. You never know... | |
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6th October 2006, 10:28 PM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: los angeles
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| dkatz42 my fear is market wide ... i watch this all the time as you suggested ... i have my system up to date as possible .. not as of lately because of this fear ... to stay ahead of my clients .. but more of my clients are asking for alternatives to Digi / pro tools ... so i am looking out for them also ... most of them Digi users but some Nuendo ... thanks again for responding .. and ideas i can be bitter sometimes and you giuys have more patience than a shrink / bartender ... john |
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7th October 2006, 05:41 AM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Santa Fe, NM
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| This is a big problem, though I think it may become less so when/if Digi loses its stranglehold on the market. Trying to keep up with the technology is a losing proposition given the prices of this stuff. Minor anecdote--a couple of years ago I went looking for some place where I could dub some old 2" 24 tracks to 96K digital. There isn't that much 2" left out there, and the places that had it either had no digital, or had Mix systems that they were still paying for. I ended up hauling my own computer and converters in to do the dub. There was no way they could afford to have the latest and greatest (particularly since they were still primarily an analog shop.) Given how the prices of this stuff are plunging (and the differences between PT and native systems, both in terms of power and of quality, are dwindling) it seems like it won't be long before every teenager with a laptop will have a basic, decent quality rig. Then the selling point of commercial studios is going to go back to the basics--the room, the mic collection, the knowledge, and hopefully people won't have to try to sell themselves based on what flavor of technology they have this week... |
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7th October 2006, 09:33 PM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: los angeles
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| i worked on the Alice Cooper '73 concert DVD a few years ago ... had 2" 16 tk converted to 24 / 96 here in LA ... was happy they could transfer at 96k ... lots of fun to remix .. missing snare tracks at times .. mostly kick and mono drum mix on tape ... if i did not have pro tools it would not have mattered but PT was the only one with delay comp at the time ... i used every piece of hardware i could get my hands on and added another 192 for more analog inserts for the project ... it would have been a nightmare without the delay comp ... now that Nuendo has the ping feature i am looking hard at the program again .. have used ver. 2 for post a few times and find it a love hate thing ... have not used ver. 3 but a friend has it and i may spend a day in his studio doing a song to get more understanding of the workflow and live tracking (never have any issues with latency on the HD rig) ... now that symphony is available from Apogee (Max is saying very low latency on the level of HD) this and an Intel mac (maybe wait until 1st Q next year for even more power) ... that could be a powerful system .. allbeit close to the same price as HD rig but with more open doors instead of closed upgrade paths ... i don't need a lot of fancy features ... just feeling comfortable with the software and hardware inserts that are time aligned ... and not to much downtime due to incompatable software vs. OS versions ... upgrading every 2 weeks with service updates and such ... yes, i would very much like a box that i could turn on and start working ... wouldn't we all .... of course, it would not cost an arm and a leg either ... if i just hang onto the system i have i am sure i could use it for 5 more years without trouble ... but i am not someone that is content with technology today .. i love the cutting edge but my wallet does not ... thank you again for your .02 ... john |
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7th October 2006, 10:08 PM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Beach, CA
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| You know... there was a time when I said, this SBC (now rebranded as AT&T) was trading for $69 a share just a few months ago, they've still got the same infrastructure, the same customers, the same core business... Why TF is it selling for $19 a share today? Famous last questions. |
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8th October 2006, 04:35 AM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Santa Fe, NM
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The problem is that they can't possibly afford to replace all that twisted pair from the CO to your house, and those spindly wires are pretty much maxed out by physics in terms of how much bandwidth they can cram over them. Meanwhile, the 500 channels of junk on your cable (only one of which you watch at a time) will be replaced by a multigigabit data stream, of which the one channel you're watching will be a part. The transmission system part of the phone companies will stay in business (still need all that long-haul fiber) but the local loop is losing money at an alarming rate. Ask your phone tech the next time he comes out. The last time I had a guy out looking at my T1 line, he couldn't debug the repeaters because the battery in his laptop had crapped out and he needed mains power, and the generator in his truck had crapped out, so he needed to wait until the next day to get another truck with a working generator to plug his laptop into. Then-SBC didn't have the budget to pay for either item (even though far more money was wasted than was needed to buy him either item.) We're now officially wildly off-topic.  | |
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8th October 2006, 05:20 AM
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8th October 2006, 05:22 AM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: tx
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Umm, actually, they're worth exactly what someone will pay for them. And to be sure, if you want to turn something into cash quickly, undercut the 'market value' by a little. It's supply and demand, and anything's fair. | |
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8th October 2006, 01:54 PM
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| Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: canada
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| haveing worked for several hi tech companies in my long career all i'll advise is youll never beat them as a consumer. stuff DOES get obsolete/depreciates. some rules....to protect yourself as a consumer. 1. early adopters often get arrows in the back. stay back from the pack if you can. 2. watch consumer cycles. for example big screen thin tv's if you notice are all the rage. with crazy high prices. tv retailers love em cos its nice cash flow. i want one but not at 3k a pop. thanks very much. i'll invest the 3k for my dotage and maybe wait for a used one. 3. be carefull tying yourself into one supplier. i learnt this years ago when looking at installing a huge computer installation for a big org. i knew it would be a prob .....and it turned out it was when we needed maintenance. parts difficult to get. i stay all native daw for a reason (some might disagree)....it means i'm not dependent on one supplier. and i have a multitude of sound devices to choose from.
__________________ i'm just a dumb computer engr (ret'd)...."quantum computing is the future" running a native software studio daw...Powertracks and Reaper on amd. my little songs www.motagator.com/bmanning (saving up for pristine ADA convertors i cant afford...lol) |
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