Logic 8 Wish List?

[Matthew Murray]

Hey all. Not sure if the powers that be read this, but who has feature wishes that they'd like to see implemented in logic 8?

I'll start. I'd love to see the ability to take multiple takes on the first track, and manage them easily. Perhaps even comp between them in some way. That'd rock. Other programs probably have a similar feature (Pro tools does, right?)

[bigbaby987]

if i had the same audio editing power as pro tools and pretty much the same sequencer as it has already... i'd probably by 2 or 3 copies of logic pro.. i mean i already have one.. but i'd buy more..

plus i think it would be cool if they started to offer it to pc users again.. i understand what they are trying to do.. but i think they'll make much more money doing it that way.. also reduce the amount of menus!!!! please. i love the simplicity that pt's offers, especially when it comes to menus..

i wouldn't mind getting rid of the environment.. or just rewrite to be much more user friendly, an not having to need a Logic diploma to make that thing do what you want it to do..

since i'm at it.. it would be nice if they brought back sound diver.. in fact, intergrate it inside logic... so all of my outboard is automatically recognized and loaded up with all parameters loaded into the app.. that would be awesome.. yes i know you could "build" this inside the environment... but who has time for that..
i want to just crank it up and go!!

i would love for logic to have the external effects pdc like cubase and nuendo.. that would be nice..

in place editing like pro tools, cubase and nuendo without having to tab through 900 screensets..

and can i use pro tools keyboard shortcuts in logic.. wow that would be extremely nice..

this is just my tiny list!!

thanks






btw.. i would love to be able to edit or process one peice of audio inside logic like pro tools' audio suite instead of having to make every track a certain effect.. that's really annoying .. yes, i know logic has audio suite, but it's nothing like pro tools.. that would be super nice... super nice.. i do many types of editing that's nothing like sequencing, so being able to do that would make life a little bit better..

[gsilbers]

Originally Posted by bigbaby987

btw.. i would love to be able to edit or process one peice of audio inside logic like pro tools' audio suite instead of having to make every track a certain effect.. that's really annoying .. yes, i know logic has audio suite, but it's nothing like pro tools.. that would be super nice... super nice.. i do many types of editing that's nothing like sequencing, so being able to do that would make life a little bit better..

i second that!!!


audiosuite like when logic is hooked up to a TDM system but with AU in whatever system.



also. to have the folder tracks to be more like nuendo's where you can see the tracks inside and edit 8 tracks at ones. if you dont know what im talking about check nuendos folder track function...sweet.



and PLAYLISTS>...


its hell editing diferent takes in logic. mute unmute, move re move.
what happens when you've got like 12 tracks of drums you want to edit plus the rest of the instruments.

[PJB5060]

Better film score application.

[Tibbon]

Like my Moog Voyager, I find that many things that I want to do (or have added as features) that aren't apparent, are already there with a trick.

You can already custom make shortcuts in Logic. You can make most of your Protools shortcuts work in Logic.

If you record in Loop mode, then you can kinda do playlists. Also mess around with the little arrow at the bottom of the track in the Arrange window.

My Main wishes:

1) Far far far better audio editing. Blatently rip off Protools for this. It just works in PT. No need to reinvent the wheel, just make it like Protools! I'd NEVER think of using anything else if it was like this.

2) A type in for region length in the arrange window. I for some stupid reason at times find it hard to get a region to snap exactly to the grid. Either that, or instead of 'smart snap' just also have a hard snap to grid like Protools has. Again, emulate protools for editing. The mixing is fine for me, editing is painful.

3) Perfect AAF/OMF import/exports. Currently only Protools does this right every single time from Avid. It doesn't even work perfectly from Final Cut Pro. This is REALLY sad. Protools does the "Handles" (premuted areas of regions) perfectly. As it is, if they already did some of the editing in Avid, and lined up all of the regions, and muted them as needed, then I have all sorts of junk at the beginning that I had to redo. It's stupid. Protools does this right, why can't logic? For me to do post work, this is manditory.

4) A surround encoder/bass management system built in. Asides then from the level control, we wouldn't need anything else for surround mixing.

5) Bring back Sounddiver. If you buy a company, you need to support/continue their projects. This also includes hardware support/firmware updates for the Unitor/AMT interfaces.

6) Finish fixing the bugs! I still don't think this program is as stable as Protools HD, and it has nothing to do with the HD cards.

7) No new softsynths/sample packs. I could care less about them. What I want is a strong focus on the other features working really well.


It seems that basically the Apple engineers need to sit down and try to really go through some sessions in a real studio, with real musicians and note what tools they are missing, or what takes them too long to get stuff done.

One very cool Apple-like thing that I'd like to see, would be some way to stream the output and the interface through iChat, so that I can show people i'm collaborating with what I have going instead of just bouncing to MP3 (thank you for putting this in, instead of raping us like digidesign does however on the mp3 option).

I would also encourage some 'training mode' that can interactively show you how to do things. Logic is deep, and I rarely needed the manual with Protools, but with Logic... it's a daily thing that I find something new.

I'd also like to see something like Audiosuites of the plugins, so that I can apply them permanantly to small sections of the audio. That would be super nice. I did that a TON for trashing various audio hits in protools and it was very fun.

And While you can configure it, I'd like a set of screensets prebuilt that would be called "Simple" sets or something, like a simple mode or whatever. Sometimes the program is a bit much. They have this done well in DVD Studio Pro.

[CZ101]

takes on each track like DP or ProTools

[jjdpro]

I agree..But , But l think Nuendo's Audio editing is far superior to ProTools, and more operator intuitive...Which makes for better workflow..

Originally Posted by Tibbon

Like my Moog Voyager, I find that many things that I want to do (or have added as features) that aren't apparent, are already there with a trick.

You can already custom make shortcuts in Logic. You can make most of your Protools shortcuts work in Logic.

If you record in Loop mode, then you can kinda do playlists. Also mess around with the little arrow at the bottom of the track in the Arrange window.

My Main wishes:

1) Far far far better audio editing. Blatently rip off Protools for this. It just works in PT. No need to reinvent the wheel, just make it like Protools! I'd NEVER think of using anything else if it was like this.

2) A type in for region length in the arrange window. I for some stupid reason at times find it hard to get a region to snap exactly to the grid. Either that, or instead of 'smart snap' just also have a hard snap to grid like Protools has. Again, emulate protools for editing. The mixing is fine for me, editing is painful.

3) Perfect AAF/OMF import/exports. Currently only Protools does this right every single time from Avid. It doesn't even work perfectly from Final Cut Pro. This is REALLY sad. Protools does the "Handles" (premuted areas of regions) perfectly. As it is, if they already did some of the editing in Avid, and lined up all of the regions, and muted them as needed, then I have all sorts of junk at the beginning that I had to redo. It's stupid. Protools does this right, why can't logic? For me to do post work, this is manditory.

4) A surround encoder/bass management system built in. Asides then from the level control, we wouldn't need anything else for surround mixing.

5) Bring back Sounddiver. If you buy a company, you need to support/continue their projects. This also includes hardware support/firmware updates for the Unitor/AMT interfaces.

6) Finish fixing the bugs! I still don't think this program is as stable as Protools HD, and it has nothing to do with the HD cards.

7) No new softsynths/sample packs. I could care less about them. What I want is a strong focus on the other features working really well.


It seems that basically the Apple engineers need to sit down and try to really go through some sessions in a real studio, with real musicians and note what tools they are missing, or what takes them too long to get stuff done.

One very cool Apple-like thing that I'd like to see, would be some way to stream the output and the interface through iChat, so that I can show people i'm collaborating with what I have going instead of just bouncing to MP3 (thank you for putting this in, instead of raping us like digidesign does however on the mp3 option).

I would also encourage some 'training mode' that can interactively show you how to do things. Logic is deep, and I rarely needed the manual with Protools, but with Logic... it's a daily thing that I find something new.

I'd also like to see something like Audiosuites of the plugins, so that I can apply them permanantly to small sections of the audio. That would be super nice. I did that a TON for trashing various audio hits in protools and it was very fun.

And While you can configure it, I'd like a set of screensets prebuilt that would be called "Simple" sets or something, like a simple mode or whatever. Sometimes the program is a bit much. They have this done well in DVD Studio Pro.

[preben]

Panning on sends would be nice.

[ABBA]

Fix all the horrible bugs.

And let the german team back, when they were in control the program worked alot better!

[tengu]

Simplify it.

Things like ableton, Tracktion and even Sonar show that a a lot can be achieved with simplicity, this is coming from the compositional side of things.

They could get rid of the Drum Editor and include a fold function in the Matrix editor just like ableton.

Better Plugs but most importantly, streamline it. Less synths of better quality would be better.

It is a enjoyable platform to mix in.

[n8tron]

make an option to change the midi notes into 1 color on the matrix editor. That way when I view more than one part I can differentiate the two. Just like with dp. This is so important for arrange orchestral stuff. to be able to edit the strings or woodwinds in 1 editor and tell the difference color wise with who is playing what.

[bigbaby987]

i also hate when i double click on matrix page by accident, every part shows up... i hate that!!

plus, i would like to be able to toggle through automation like pro tools.. i do like being able to see all of the automation curves in logic at one time too...

there are a lot of things i like about logic.. in fact, i prefer logic when it comes to composition, but i definitely prefer pro tools when it comes to audio editing... i believe the one that merges the two apps together first is going to be be incredible.. eventhough, that's what i believe nuendo and cubase are ahead of the curve in trying to do that..

[mersisblue]

Id like to be able to have logic be a rewire master AND SLAVE where audio can be sent to and fro

Id also like audio suite type function

and in the sample editor Id like to be able to apply gain changes without it affecting every other copy of the regionIf I so desire

Id like to see the step sequencer in ultra beat become multi layered so that I can see the kick hi hat snare etc all at once

pans on sends is great also numberical settings would be great ( i dont you can as of now )

how about letting logics plugins in other OSX based DAWS ? Like DP as long as the Xkey is attached ?

I would nt like more instrument ... but some new presets would be nice

bouncing of Aux sends and MULTI CHANNEL instruments
Please please please

that'll do me for awhile

[creegstor]

Originally Posted by n8tron

make an option to change the midi notes into 1 color on the matrix editor. That way when I view more than one part I can differentiate the two. Just like with dp. This is so important for arrange orchestral stuff. to be able to edit the strings or woodwinds in 1 editor and tell the difference color wise with who is playing what.

You've been able to do this since at least version 5.

[TEMAS]

Distributed Audio facility for ANY instrument and fx plug-in, not just Logic's own ones. And especially for EXS24 instruments.

[creegstor]

• Separate undo for mixer section.
• A/B comparison switch for plugins/synths
• A kickass intuitive arpeggiator.
• Compatibilty with MIDI plugins.
• Pans on sends.
• A new audio object that is both a multi-instrument channel and aux channel all wrapped up in one. It's a PITA having to deal with two different objects for one channel of a multi instrument.
• Snapshot Automation function.
• Audio Editing (obviously!!)

[bigbaby987]

how about a better pan law also...

the one in logic is so basic it's annoying

[Tibbon]

You can already change the pan law (more than you can in PT at least i know), the arpegiator isn't that hard to get running (but it would be neat to activate one quickly without getting it pre-setup). I'm not sure what MIDI plugins you're talking about, but I have midi controlled plugins running in Logic.

I'd like sub-faders/folder-faders for a multi output plugins. If you have ultrabeat running, you could click on an area of the fader, and it would slide out 16 little faders under it (all automatable, and with all of the normal fader options on it such as plugins.

[creegstor]

MIDI plugins are built to create and process MIDI info. Google MIDI plugins if you don't know what they are! Sonar, Cubase and FL can use them. Logic can't. To emulate some of these plugs would require a ridiculous amount of tooling around in the environment.

Likewise, Logic's arpeggiator is barely functional. In short, it sucks. We are long overdue a comprehensive, powerful, fully featured and functional arpeggiator that doesn't require the transport to be running!

[n8tron]

don't know if this is already a feature... but when I have a stereo track how can I pan both sides seperately? or do i have to have 2 mono tracks...

if this isn't a feature already I would certainly like it to be.

[ignatius]

my wish for logic 8 is a free update to logic 7.5

[ttauri]

I'd like sends on busses, Stereo Rewire channels from Reason.

Peece,
T. Tauri

[bleen]

Originally Posted by ttauri

I'd like sends on busses,

Use an Aux object.

Stereo Rewire channels from Reason.

It's there in Logic 7.2.

[Trp]

A lot of what´s mentioned above... plus

1) ADC for hardware inserts (which actually measures the offset by sending a signal through)

2) ADC on busses

[slipperman]

Tab to transient.

Virtual Graphical AT like DP.

Beat Detective stylee assisted drum editing subroutine.

Switchable MTC grid or Sample Accurate arrange screen.

Then I could deep six my PT rigs and toss out DP.

Which would save me so much time it wouldn't be funny.

SM.

[ttauri]

Originally Posted by bleen

Use an Aux object.

I'd still like it on busses. Easy to route to.

It's there in Logic 7.2.

Only for the first pair (Main Out L & R) w/ Reason.

Peece,
T. Tauri

[Justynfromnz]

SAMPLE ACURATE ARRANGE!!!!!(I yelled that one)

Import session data between songs (just like tools)

Make logic a rewire slave so You can run it into tools with more than 8 channels in the dumb tdm bridge.

Make the groups work properly

Dont waste time making more silly synths. I dont care what a marble sounds like in a glass.

[Bump Music]

I agree with EVERY SINGLE THING you all have said.

Basically.... make Logic equal to, if not better than Pro Tools, Nuendo, DP. Cuz right now, it's soooooooo FAR behind.

The other day, it took me 4 hours to edit and "beat detective" drum tracks in Logic. It took me 1.5 hours to do the same thing in Pro Tools. And I am super fast in Logic and I absolutely suck at Pro Tools.

[Poplab Studios]

fixing unexpected crashes.
get the automation work precise.

the crossfades are also horrible.

i don´t need 1000´s of new features. i want a logic version where all the features work as they should.

[Trp]

Originally Posted by n8tron

don't know if this is already a feature... but when I have a stereo track how can I pan both sides seperately? or do i have to have 2 mono tracks...

if this isn't a feature already I would certainly like it to be.

There´s plug-in for that: Direction Mixer