Logic 8 Wish List?

[p0k3]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

4) A surround encoder/bass management system built in. Asides then from the level control, we wouldn't need anything else for surround mixing.

You have to be kidding me! Logic surround capabilities are primitive to say the least. In fact they are almost non-existent. I do surround sound and I do not use Logic. DP, has better surround features but Nuendo and Cubase have the most advance surround features. Hopefully Logic 8 will copy everything Steinberg has done with surround and add a few extra's! The only surround feature Logic has is a surround panner that has 0 features. Take a look at Cubase/Nuendo/DP/Kontakt surround panners and you'll understand. Not to mention Logic doesn't even support multi channel wave files or have multi channel tracks/instrument tracks/busses/aux channels, etc. If you want to bounce surround you end up with 6 mono files that then need to take up 6 mono tracks and then you have to pan them all to the right output, defiantly primitive and a pain in the ass! Cubase/Nuendo allows you to export one wav file containing all 6 channels and drop that on one track no panning or any other hassle. It's much more Logical than Logic. Now imaging you have 16 tracks of surround instruments, that's 16X6=A lot of fricken tracks in the arrange window!

[Ashermusic]

Originally Posted by andrewj

First improvement would be a smaller price.

This software is not so good that it is worthier than the others!

Second would be a better engine, better FX (I know some are good, but some still are not!). Tasty sound in Samplitude. A real step ahead!

Third would be ... well look at ProTools, Cubase, DP and Live: There are some features that would be very nice in Logic!

If you add in the price of the virtual sampler, convolution reverb Apple Loops,, and softsynths etc. that come with Logic on to the price of its competition Logic 7 actually is cheaper than the competition. It has nothing to do with worthiness but with what is included in the package.

[nativeaudio]

Interesting thread - I must have missed it when it was started last year.
My wishes for Logic 8 varies from day to day... right now all I want is group solo.

[walth]

take away the complex sub menu system and change it to MIX and EDIT. TWO WINDOWS. lololo.

[clonewar]

Originally Posted by walth

take away the complex sub menu system and change it to MIX and EDIT. TWO WINDOWS. lololo.

If that's what we wanted then we'd just use PT!

Just give me stability, support for as much ram as my Mac can handle (32 gigs), and scaling up to 8 (or more) cores..

Built in Melodyne-ish functionality would be nice too..

[ericwall]

Somekind of auto-zoom of fields of your choice. e.g. I'd like a bigger parameter-window whenever the pointer is inside the parameter-frame. It's so small and I get stiff in my mouse-hand everytime I dial in the fades for instance. Have a bad mouse-hand issue right know

Full support of "voice-commands" would help too as I adressed here:

Voice-controlled Logic/DAW

[Jazzpunk]

Um...that it would actually be released?!

[mersisblue]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

Um...that it would actually be released?!

now your just expecting too much

[audiomichael]

Originally Posted by ericwall

Full support of "voice-commands" would help too as I adressed here:
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That would be horrible. I've been working on a rock opera called, "Select All...DELETE!".

[octatonic]

Originally Posted by audiomichael

That would be horrible. I've been working on a rock opera called, "Select All...DELETE!".

LOL

[Farout]

I would like for there to be a button - that when engaged it makes all of your music sound awesome .... and makes you rich .... and makes you irresistible to women!
And the button should be ... ummm ... red, with white writing!!!

[clonewar]

Originally Posted by Farout

I would like for there to be a button - that when engaged it makes all of your music sound awesome .... and makes you rich .... and makes you irresistible to women!
And the button should be ... ummm ... red, with white writing!!!

Staples® Easy Button

[walth]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

Like my Moog Voyager, I find that many things that I want to do (or have added as features) that aren't apparent, are already there with a trick.

You can already custom make shortcuts in Logic. You can make most of your Protools shortcuts work in Logic.

If you record in Loop mode, then you can kinda do playlists. Also mess around with the little arrow at the bottom of the track in the Arrange window.

My Main wishes:

1) Far far far better audio editing. Blatently rip off Protools for this. It just works in PT. No need to reinvent the wheel, just make it like Protools! I'd NEVER think of using anything else if it was like this.

2) A type in for region length in the arrange window. I for some stupid reason at times find it hard to get a region to snap exactly to the grid. Either that, or instead of 'smart snap' just also have a hard snap to grid like Protools has. Again, emulate protools for editing. The mixing is fine for me, editing is painful.

3) Perfect AAF/OMF import/exports. Currently only Protools does this right every single time from Avid. It doesn't even work perfectly from Final Cut Pro. This is REALLY sad. Protools does the "Handles" (premuted areas of regions) perfectly. As it is, if they already did some of the editing in Avid, and lined up all of the regions, and muted them as needed, then I have all sorts of junk at the beginning that I had to redo. It's stupid. Protools does this right, why can't logic? For me to do post work, this is manditory.

4) A surround encoder/bass management system built in. Asides then from the level control, we wouldn't need anything else for surround mixing.

5) Bring back Sounddiver. If you buy a company, you need to support/continue their projects. This also includes hardware support/firmware updates for the Unitor/AMT interfaces.

6) Finish fixing the bugs! I still don't think this program is as stable as Protools HD, and it has nothing to do with the HD cards.

7) No new softsynths/sample packs. I could care less about them. What I want is a strong focus on the other features working really well.


It seems that basically the Apple engineers need to sit down and try to really go through some sessions in a real studio, with real musicians and note what tools they are missing, or what takes them too long to get stuff done.

One very cool Apple-like thing that I'd like to see, would be some way to stream the output and the interface through iChat, so that I can show people i'm collaborating with what I have going instead of just bouncing to MP3 (thank you for putting this in, instead of raping us like digidesign does however on the mp3 option).

I would also encourage some 'training mode' that can interactively show you how to do things. Logic is deep, and I rarely needed the manual with Protools, but with Logic... it's a daily thing that I find something new.

I'd also like to see something like Audiosuites of the plugins, so that I can apply them permanantly to small sections of the audio. That would be super nice. I did that a TON for trashing various audio hits in protools and it was very fun.

And While you can configure it, I'd like a set of screensets prebuilt that would be called "Simple" sets or something, like a simple mode or whatever. Sometimes the program is a bit much. They have this done well in DVD Studio Pro.

Originally Posted by CZ101

takes on each track like DP or ProTools

i agree. takes on each track.
Sound Diver needs to come back.
an easier way to import patch names for synthesizers. with DP5 many synth patch lists are already built in! I find myself using my racks of synths less and less these days. but still i have a few key pieces. LOL.

[Geert van den Berg]

Originally Posted by walth

i agree. takes on each track.
Sound Diver needs to come back.
an easier way to import patch names for synthesizers. with DP5 many synth patch lists are already built in! I find myself using my racks of synths less and less these days. but still i have a few key pieces. LOL.

I guess you haven't looked at Logic 8 yet? It has takes on each track... (but not playlists like PT, but those are not necessary with the new takes feature in Logic)

[macleodgrant]

i think logic's takes feature is better than pro tools, you don't have to go all the way to the left of the track to change it, just right click the track!

don't forget to read the 'late breaking information' as this has most up to date changes of which there are loads

[sharky]

Originally Posted by CZ101

takes on each track like DP or ProTools

Logic 8 does this, no?

The system for comps and takes in L8 is biznitchin'. I'm still 15% confused by it, but that 85% as been making life pretty nice in my neck of the woods.

One thing I'd like to see is more of what's happening to my waveform with crossfades. In fact, the whole Cubase system for crossfades is superior IMO.

[jonperl]

Here's a start:

Separate Pan sliders for L and R channels on channel strips and on stereo Sends (so no need for Direction Mixer...) and of course Pan of mono sends. Sends should be pre-or post fade independently of pre or post pan selection (currently post-pan is always post fade).

Ability to adjust volume values and breakpoints in .1 db increments!

Automation LFO shapes/presets.

Graphical scaling of all MIDI and automation data with lines, curves and the above shapes.

Bring back flexible Arrange wondow resizing.

Bring back Big Counter color schemes from L7 as an option.

Some have mentioned offline bounceing of effects on regions - this is doable with open in External Sample Editor, but L8 and Soundtrack seem a little buggy with this so far.

[lowfreq33]

If Logic is so great, why does everyone wish that it worked just like Pro Tools?

Just wondering.

[Jazzpunk]

Originally Posted by lowfreq33

If Logic is so great, why does everyone wish that it worked just like Pro Tools?

Just wondering.

This is from ex or current PT users (obviously). They are survivors of an abusive relationship. They finally got tired of getting beat up by Digi so they left for Logic.

Once they establish a nice healthy relationship with Logic however, they are unable to break the psychological chains from their previous relationship and start to actually miss the abuse.

I hear Dr. Phil is doing a show about it next week. Hopefully he can help them.

[Spectacle]

Originally Posted by Jazzpunk

This is from ex or current PT users (obviously). They are survivors of an abusive relationship. They finally got tired of getting beat up by Digi so they left for Logic.

Once they establish a nice healthy relationship with Logic however, they are unable to break the psychological chains from their previous relationship and start to actually miss the abuse.

I hear Dr. Phil is doing a show about it next week. Hopefully he can help them.

ROTFLMAO!!

[Blatboy]

So, I know this wish list is old... and yes this is something that's in PT also... (or am I just missing it?

here's one to add to my 8.1 wish list:


I would love to be able to put track notes down somewhere like you can with PT. You know, where I can write down my preamp and compressor settings and such...

[initialsBB]

Originally Posted by lowfreq33

If Logic is so great, why does everyone wish that it worked just like Pro Tools?

There are no stupid questions, only stupid people.

Because it's cheap and native?

[bigbaby987]

Originally Posted by jjdpro

I agree..But , But l think Nuendo's Audio editing is far superior to ProTools, and more operator intuitive...Which makes for better workflow..

this is NOT to cause any type of argument.. but i'm curious to why.. again this is NOT a flame or is it to start an argument.. PERIOD.


i would just like to know

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by Blatboy

I would love to be able to put track notes down somewhere like you can with PT. You know, where I can write down my preamp and compressor settings and such...

What about using the track name function? Or a separate set of markers - you can have 9 different sets of markers now...

[Blatboy]

good ideas, but still not as functional as a note... The track name functions are good for short descriptives, but not really great if you have more than a few words. Markers: They are great for song organization, but they aren't track specific, which would be the ideal situation for me. (and also, the longer marker names get, the more they get in the way of me reading the ruler up top... that's a recent little annoyance in L8)

With the new mixer in L8, they could put a note section below each track. Personally I would like to see a little button on the track in the arrange (near where the freeze and hide buttons are). Click the button, and get a little post it type thing as a note for that track to jot stuff down...

But then again, I'm a trombone player, not a software engineer... ;)

[nativeaudio]

Originally Posted by Blatboy

With the new mixer in L8, they could put a note section below each track. Personally I would like to see a little button on the track in the arrange (near where the freeze and hide buttons are). Click the button, and get a little post it type thing as a note for that track to jot stuff down...

Good idea!

But then again, I'm a trombone player, not a software engineer... ;)

Well, that means that you must be spending more time on actually using Logic than the Logic developers are - which is a good starting point for useful ideas!

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by Blatboy

good ideas, but still not as functional as a note...

I usually keep a text edit note in the song folder.