Logic 8 Wish List?

[guitoffee]

MIDI Learn like Ableton Live...... Trying to get a MIDI control knob/ fader to do anything is a pain in the @$$.... Unless you have the Logic Control.

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by guitoffee

MIDI Learn like Ableton Live...... Trying to get a MIDI control knob/ fader to do anything is a pain in the @$$.... Unless you have the Logic Control.

+1!!!!!!!!!!!!
it can be made far easier.

[vixapphire]

Originally Posted by DeBasement

Oh yeah, forgot.

FIX THE ZOOMING.

When you zoom in to a region, it should stay centered on your screen.

When you select a cycle range and zoom out to get it all on screen, it should stay on screen. (currently it shifts all around the freakin' place).

And maybe some larger font sizes or mixer objects for those of us who work on high resolution screens at arms' length? (Okay, now I'm just being whiney).

amen to all you've suggested, brotha!

[gsilbers]

Originally Posted by guitoffee

MIDI Learn like Ableton Live...... Trying to get a MIDI control knob/ fader to do anything is a pain in the @$$.... Unless you have the Logic Control.

hell YEAHH!!!!


its written in the manual to be so easy. it takes to much energy trying to figure out that shiit. abletons midi learn is the way ALL DAWs should have it.

easy

press MIDI learn.
-press target
press controler

fin

[gsilbers]

Originally Posted by DeBasement

Hm.

I'd like to see Apple give a crap about Logic users. Maybe even answer their emails or contribute to the forums once in a while...

i think apple is a little busy doing all the coding for the intel transition.

i think from now to version 8 will just be updates just to make whats already there work as it should with all the different setups out there.

also,


i met one of the top logic designer (from emagic) at NAMM
and this german dude was a little stuborn with what top grammy producers where telling him what to add or change on future logic updates.

one thing was to add playlists or just figure out a better way to handle audio editing and he was all about the current way and how cool it was and how you should leearn it better etc. being al defensive.

he continued to say that the -muting/umuting regions and "S" in multiple tracks of the same channel was the best way etc etc.

which works of your doing electronic music where a lot of stuff is sequenced and some overdubs take place which will give enough space to do that. but i dunno if your editing diferent takes of 10 tracks of drums. plus the rest of the arrangment.


so i think we should foward him all this stuff we are asking in the link for logic in apple support.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/logicpro.html



if not theyll think their software doent need any more or better features.

[Tibbon]

The only thing i'd imagine could be worse than doing heavy drum edits in Logic (like trying to turn a monkey on drums into Dave Grohl), would be to try the same on tape. It's like using tape, but without the great sound!

[quincyg]

one other interesting note. apple no longer moderates the logic forum on the apple site. it used to be one of the only ways to get to them. now they simply let you fend for yourself. it is really an interesting business model to offer no support for a very complex product. do they do the same thing with final cut? i honestly just cant see changing software at this point unless the new application had some very sophisticated session transfer process. i need all my old logic sessions.

[quincyg]

Originally Posted by gsilbers

i think apple is a little busy doing all the coding for the intel transition.

also,


i met one of the top logic designer (from emagic) at NAMM
and this german dude was a little stuborn with what top grammy producers where telling him what to add or change on future logic updates.

one thing was to add playlists or just figure out a better way to handle audio editing and he was all about the current way and how cool it was and how you should leearn it better etc. being al defensive.

he continued to say that the -muting/umuting regions and "S" in multiple tracks of the same channel was the best way etc etc.

which works of your doing electronic music where a lot of stuff is sequenced and some overdubs take place which will give enough space to do that. but i dunno if your editing diferent takes of 10 tracks of drums. plus the rest of the arrangment.


so i think we should foward him all this stuff we are asking in the link for logic in apple support.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/logicpro.html



if not theyll think their software doent need any more or better features.

This seems very common. I have seen and been a part of so many logic threads where logic users defend logic to the extreme. They will argue that it is superior for audio, multitracking, better for beat detective type work. really outlandish stuff. It is counter productive to have a fan base that is willing to defend features that are clearly whack. They even argue that bugs are not bugs. They believe that song corruption and having to rebuilt your autoloads are acceptable normal practice. Weird. I gotta stop reading this thread as it is making think about all the logic crap that I have learned to ignore or work around.

[Tibbon]

I need the OMF imports to work just as the do in Protools (ie. actually functional!). In Protools I can pull in a session from Avid (in OMF format) and it keeps the fades, mutes, handles, timing, etc... perfectly.

In Logic, all the files do seemingly random things, and end up being useless. The people on the Logic board either say 1) It works fine, dont complain, or 2) Doesn't work, no workaround. Have the producer do it differently.

[pendejo]

Originally Posted by HiRaX

Take it off Smart

Doesn't matter. Audio regions still don't snap to bar, for example. The only way to do it that I've found is to 'split regions by locator' exactly on the bar, then you can adjust.

Brain dead design..

[Coil]

for all who want`s back sounddiver, here is an online petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/soundDVR/petition.html

perhaps it will help

[SuperFunkyFresh]

i think a plugin that emulates the transient designer will be soooo cool!!!
something like waves transx!!

: )

[kosi]

Originally Posted by SuperFunkyFresh

i think a plugin that emulates the transient designer will be soooo cool!!!
something like waves transx!!

: )

um, what about the Logic Enveloper ?

[n8tron]

wow, this is actually the first time i've heard logic users complain about the software!

if only there would be a daw with the audio editing capabilities of protools, the matrix editor of digital performer and the arrange window of logic. one can dream

here's hoping something big will happen the next few days at AES

[brian_delizza]

http://logicprohelp.com/

Check out the new feature suggestion datatbase!

This is reviewed by the developers, and you can input your suggestion, and then members vote on priority so that the developers know what to get working on.

[overclock]

Originally Posted by pendejo

Doesn't matter. Audio regions still don't snap to bar, for example. The only way to do it that I've found is to 'split regions by locator' exactly on the bar, then you can adjust...

ya, that's my main work around too. that or hold the control key while dragging the region, which obviously doesn't snap but at least gives you some freedom.

- b

[Roger Starr]

What about a redesign of the GUI? Making the whole thing more slick, intuitive etc. etc. Make it simple and yet more powerfull! Isn't that what Apple's good at?

Regards,

Roger

[synthoid]

As far as editing goes, how about the ability to highlight a region and invoke an external editor (like Peak) on it? Logic would manage the creation of a new audio file from the resulting edit, and would plunk a region down on top of the highlighted one. I.e., they could stick with the nondestructive model if they want, and still provide this capability.

A take manager is absolutely essential if Logic is to be a serious competitor to DP or PT when it comes to comping vocals. I'm kind of stunned about this one -- even all-in-one boxes like the VS2480 have better support for takes than Logic does... What are they thinking about?

-synthoid

[Ashermusic]

Originally Posted by synthoid

As far as editing goes, how about the ability to highlight a region and invoke an external editor (like Peak) on it? Logic would manage the creation of a new audio file from the resulting edit, and would plunk a region down on top of the highlighted one. I.e., they could stick with the nondestructive model if they want, and still provide this capability.

A take manager is absolutely essential if Logic is to be a serious competitor to DP or PT when it comes to comping vocals. I'm kind of stunned about this one -- even all-in-one boxes like the VS2480 have better support for takes than Logic does... What are they thinking about?

-synthoid

Logic has a take manager of sorts in the Audio Window but I agree it could be better.

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[vandertone]

I second the idea with implementing an analog-like summing emulation.
Make it sound like a console.

[Tibbon]

Originally Posted by vandertone

I second the idea with implementing an analog-like summing emulation.
Make it sound like a console.

I'm fine without that. First of all you're stuck with their option, and I'd rather have a clean digital mix buss than a distorted digital mix bus. I'll take external summing instead.

[the_Alien]

Hi all!

Don't wanna hijack this thread but as so many people mention PT here why don't you use it? I went through hell until I've learned my lesson. I used Logic 3, Logic 4 changed to PT (Digi 002) and automagically I improved my workflow drastically (that I can't explain in words )

The lesson was:
I've found out that using different software changes your workflow due to minor changes in concept of that particular software. Often this minor changes increase your creativity. So the conclusion is to use best of all worlds.

Now I've found my best way working. And this goes like that:

I use PT as my virtual mixer (like a real console) and connect anything (that is of any creative improvement to me) to it using RTAS, VST (with FXpansions wrapper) or Rewire even sequencing and music creation apps such as Ableton Live 6, Fruity Loops, Acid 6 etc. I do different tasks with different apps but I mix all using PT. So I'm absolutely not giving up my virtual console. It's my SSL substitute

I have a bunch of displays and networked Mac minis connected to my main Mac to accomplish this which all are used as processing slaves running several apps and plugins (as soon as FX Teleport is available to Mac users this will simplify things a lot).

The next lesson was not to hook up 300 tracks of plugins/MIDI gear. At least when it comes to changing locations while recording/mixing there is no alternative to bouncing. So, I always bounce my MIDI regions immediatly and do arranging and looping only with audio files. Never had any problems switching locations.

Considering this I can happily use other apps like Live 6 to work with as desired and bounce the results using PT's "Bounce to disk" feature as soon as I'm finished with this part (and save the Live 6 session just in case I've got to reproduce it).

And taking all that into count and summing up I now can say that I at least doubled my efficiency but need less time.

So, what's in my wish list? I don't know if it's already available or not (as I do not use Logic quite awhile) but my favorite would be providing Rewire Slave capability to get connected in my PT environment (which is the only constant in my musical universe ).

Hope this opens up your minds

[Reptil]

Originally Posted by vandertone

I second the idea with implementing an analog-like summing emulation.
Make it sound like a console.

mmm you can't emulate more depth of field, better instrument seperation, and better resolution. sorry.

[Tibbon]

the_Alien-

A few reasons I'm using Logic

1) I got really sick of the Planned Obselence that Digi does. There's no reason in the world that I shouldn't be able to use a Digi001 or a Mix system with the newest version as long as I have PCI slots, or an expansion chassis. Only reason is the Digi/Avid love money of course, and want you to upgrade to the newest hardware, even if it's shittier and doesn't do anything else for you.

I got a Digi002R to replace my Digi001. What did I get? Power harness issues from hell, firewire dropouts, had to go buy a new firewire card because on a G4 MDD you can't use the internal firewire if you have hard drives plugged into it with a Digi002R. Stupid lack of testing, or moreso of fixing the problem. Oh, I also got 2 additional mic preamps that I hated using, and it took up another rack space. Whoo! Only thing that got better was the panning being correct on the monitor section (left cuts out first at low levels on a Digi001).

2) I got tired of trying to get Protools to sync to Finale or other notation software. Just never worked that well. I needed something with notation built in. Inputting notes into a piano roll, or importing from Finale and remapping midi stuff sucked.

3) Faster electronic music composition. I switched to Logic when I quit working at a large studio. I now mainly track myself, so I don't have to worry about much about drum edits and stuff. I do a ton of electronically based composition and its much better and much faster for certain creative stages.

4) While I don't think that they should spend time on more softsynths, the ones in there are pretty usable. As are the plugins. I'm doing just fine with the default set and a few other random ones (like the SSL talkback mic one). I don't like Ultrabeat compared to my Machinedrum, but that's partially a knobs/parameter locks thing.

5) A midi enviroment is really nice, if slightly hard to grasp at first.

6) I thought it would be better. If it worked as advertised and had a few more features that i'd want... it would be perfect. Audiosuite like application of plugs, working OMF imports, better audio editing, Tab to Transient, Beat Detective, etc...

7) Built in surround support. I am not using surround yet, but I plan to soon for film mixing. If I did protools, I'd either have to get an old mix system, or at least an HD1 system to do ANY surround. I HATE having features dangled in front of me.

At least with Logic Pro I feel that I have the "Whole package" and I'm not a second class citizen, as I felt with Digi.

Also, Digi took forever to approve compatability with hardware. I remember I was stuck FOREVER using Windows 98 because they wouldn't port it to Windows 2000, and then they FINALLY went to XP. They were really bad about communicating about the updates too.

EDIT: One last reason. I found that using the whole freaking Digi002R (or an Mbox) as a Dongle for the software REALLY SUCKS for laptop users. I have an iBook as well, and have no problems doing some light work on a plane or whatever with the XSKey. A whole Mbox is a PITA.

[bigbaby987]

Originally Posted by gsilbers

hell YEAHH!!!!


its written in the manual to be so easy. it takes to much energy trying to figure out that shiit. abletons midi learn is the way ALL DAWs should have it.

easy

press MIDI learn.
-press target
press controler

fin

it does have midi learn in the keyboard shutcuts area right????

[the_Alien]

Hi Tibbon!

Different people different experiences Hey, I hope you did not take my post too seriously. I just wanted to show up ***my*** way of working.

I'll start with your last point:

Originally Posted by Tibbon

EDIT: One last reason. I found that using the whole freaking Digi002R (or an Mbox) as a Dongle for the software REALLY SUCKS for laptop users. I have an iBook as well, and have no problems doing some light work on a plane or whatever with the XSKey. A whole Mbox is a PITA.

This is no question to me. I use a lot of apps (as I described) that I'm not stuck with PT. PT is something like a console to me. I open a channel, switch to an app an work on that. Often I don't record anything in PT the whole session (I save all using the slave app). So if i am on travel I do not miss PT (although maybe I could get an Ozone 2 Oktave Keyboard including audio interface with PT M-Powered to go mobile with PT).

Originally Posted by Tibbon

the_Alien-

A few reasons I'm using Logic

1) I got really sick of the Planned Obselence that Digi does. There's no reason in the world that I shouldn't be able to use a Digi001 or a Mix system with the newest version as long as I have PCI slots, or an expansion chassis. Only reason is the Digi/Avid love money of course, and want you to upgrade to the newest hardware, even if it's shittier and doesn't do anything else for you.

I got a Digi002R to replace my Digi001. What did I get? Power harness issues from hell, firewire dropouts, had to go buy a new firewire card because on a G4 MDD you can't use the internal firewire if you have hard drives plugged into it with a Digi002R. Stupid lack of testing, or moreso of fixing the problem. Oh, I also got 2 additional mic preamps that I hated using, and it took up another rack space. Whoo! Only thing that got better was the panning being correct on the monitor section (left cuts out first at low levels on a Digi001).

Many people have troubles with Firewire and there seems to be no HW (combination) without an issue. I did not have any serious problems yet.

To be honest, to only reason purchasing PT was the software. HD was too expensive to me at that time so I bought a 002 (and found other ways to compensate lacking of DSP power - Powercore/UAD etc.). This was the beginning of my changed workflow. (Thanks to HD beeing too expensive )

Originally Posted by Tibbon

2) I got tired of trying to get Protools to sync to Finale or other notation software. Just never worked that well. I needed something with notation built in. Inputting notes into a piano roll, or importing from Finale and remapping midi stuff sucked.

Ok, that's a point. Will be one of my next topics to investigate as I will have to do some orchestration on some of my tracks soon.

Originally Posted by Tibbon

3) Faster electronic music composition. I switched to Logic when I quit working at a large studio. I now mainly track myself, so I don't have to worry about much about drum edits and stuff. I do a ton of electronically based composition and its much better and much faster for certain creative stages.

4) While I don't think that they should spend time on more softsynth