When will PT LE not suck

[Hope209]

I just watched the new Cubase video and I learned how much PT LE is just pathetic compared to other sequencers. Is Digidesign ever going to update LE and give us some of the features that cheaper sequencers have? Or are we supposed to be pigeonholed forever because we didn't shell out the big bucks for an HD system???

[Geert van den Berg]

So what's the point of this thread?

Choose whatever you feel comfortable with. Digidesign doesn't owe anyone anything, making hard & software is business. Steinberg isn't perfect either...

I bought a great record a week ago, thought it sounded great, did a little research and found out it was mixed on an LE setup with a 002. It was tracked at a great studio with HD though, but usually it's the other way around.

[Bishbashbosh]

Originally Posted by Geert van den Berg

I bought a great record a week ago, thought it sounded great, did a little research and found out it was mixed on an LE setup with a 002. It was tracked at a great studio with HD though, but usually it's the other way around.

True it's often the other way around...... although with the available DSP for mixing in LE, it's a good contender (assuming the DA, monitoring and room are up to scratch of course!!)

But TDM can't be beat for tracking.....

With the faster computer processors being released....HD is no longer required to have a capable native system.

Well.... it kind of is required for tracking..... This is nothing to do with DSP, it's to do with allocation of power.
Yes native systems are very powerful now.... for mixing.

The relentless 'Digi are about to bite the dust because my MBox and super new CPU are HD killers' posts are getting pretty dull, and pretty much show that the poster does not work in a facility where tracking more than one musician is ever an issue.

HD is still the tool of choice not because studios are being 'hoodwinked' by Digi, but because it's a reliable tool which can actually deal with the realities of larger facilities. Something which can not be said of native systems...... Though clearly Nuendo is staking a claim in some respects.

[nikki-k]

My Dad beat up this other kid's Dad the other week, and it was awesome. The kid was like, "Man, when is my Dad gonna be as cool as your Dad?" and I was so like, "Dude, your Dad is so un-fetch, he will never be even half as cool!" But then, like a week later...well, this other kid's Dad, who we didnt even know HAD a Dad or nothin, well he comes in all, "My Dad is wayyy more cooler, and will totally bust ass when he comes by." And ya know what? He DID!!! Now my Mom is all pissed cause everytime my Dad sees this other kid's Dad, he makes poo in his pants, and Mom says it is wicked hard gettin the crap outta his underpants. I think my Mom is gonna pound that stupid kid's Dad's ass now, so my Dad will stop craappin himself. Then I will be the fetchest ever!!! Can't wait til I am a Dad....

[C Heat]

Originally Posted by nikki-k

My Dad beat up this other kid's Dad the other week, and it was awesome. The kid was like, "Man, when is my Dad gonna be as cool as your Dad?" and I was so like, "Dude, your Dad is so un-fetch, he will never be even half as cool!" But then, like a week later...well, this other kid's Dad, who we didnt even know HAD a Dad or nothin, well he comes in all, "My Dad is wayyy more cooler, and will totally bust ass when he comes by." And ya know what? He DID!!! Now my Mom is all pissed cause everytime my Dad sees this other kid's Dad, he makes poo in his pants, and Mom says it is wicked hard gettin the crap outta his underpants. I think my Mom is gonna pound that stupid kid's Dad's ass now, so my Dad will stop craappin himself. Then I will be the fetchest ever!!! Can't wait til I am a Dad....

Agreed.

[demel]

Originally Posted by Geert van den Berg

I bought a great record a week ago, thought it sounded great, did a little research and found out it was mixed on an LE setup with a 002. It was tracked at a great studio with HD though, but usually it's the other way around.

What CD?

Thanks

[Geert van den Berg]

Originally Posted by demel

What CD?

Thanks

'Last Rudy Standing' from the dutch reggae/crossover band Beef. Highly recommended, though I am not 100% it was mixed with a Digi002, but Peer Rave who mixed it uses a 002 according to his website. It could be mixed somewhere else than his own studio too offcourse. Or it could have been combined with some nice outboard. But the point still remains, you can only connect another 8 channel converter and there's no latency compensation or anything or mix out of the box to a 16 channel mixer. The 002 still remains a cheap piece of equipment. It's more or less up to the engineer to make something of it, offcourse it's a bonus it a lot of tracks are tracked very well and requires minor plugins/eq/compression.

[transfiguration]

Originally Posted by nikki-k

My Dad beat up this other kid's Dad the other week, and it was awesome. The kid was like, "Man, when is my Dad gonna be as cool as your Dad?" and I was so like, "Dude, your Dad is so un-fetch, he will never be even half as cool!" But then, like a week later...well, this other kid's Dad, who we didnt even know HAD a Dad or nothin, well he comes in all, "My Dad is wayyy more cooler, and will totally bust ass when he comes by." And ya know what? He DID!!! Now my Mom is all pissed cause everytime my Dad sees this other kid's Dad, he makes poo in his pants, and Mom says it is wicked hard gettin the crap outta his underpants. I think my Mom is gonna pound that stupid kid's Dad's ass now, so my Dad will stop craappin himself. Then I will be the fetchest ever!!! Can't wait til I am a Dad....

One of the f'n funniest things i have read in a long time.

Thank you

[toolskid]

Originally Posted by Hope209

I just watched the new Cubase video and I learned how much PT LE is just pathetic compared to other sequencers. Is Digidesign ever going to update LE and give us some of the features that cheaper sequencers have? Or are we supposed to be pigeonholed forever because we didn't shell out the big bucks for an HD system???

I think you need to think about what LE is actually giving you and for what purpose you need it. Maybe another sequencer (not DAW) will satisfy your needs better, as you seem not to require what LE offers!!

[Hope209]

Yikes, forgot about this thread...I guess my post came out sounding more bitter than I intended. LE has its pros and cons and after watching the video I really just wished LE had ADC.

That said, I OWN a 002 and buy every damned update Digidesign comes out with. So after shelling out $$$ for their product I feel as their customer I'm entitled to bitch and moan about features I wish it had

[nikki-k]

Originally Posted by Hope209

Yikes, forgot about this thread...I guess my post came out sounding more bitter than I intended. LE has its pros and cons and after watching the video I really just wished LE had ADC.
>>>snippity dippity!

LE does have ADC...up to the buffer size. Set it to 1024, and you now have 1024 of ADC.

[True North]

Originally Posted by nikki-k

LE does have ADC...up to the buffer size. Set it to 1024, and you now have 1024 of ADC.

uhhhhh, that still doesen't work and BTW my Dad can so kick your dad's ass!!

IMHO - ADC is the only component missing from making it up to snuff with Steiny. Throw in a music production toolkit and you get a full version of Beat Detective which Steiny STILL doesen't have (can't figure why they left it off of Cubase 4 but I digress).

Add to that the new Mbox firwire interface which lets you use the convertors and mic pre's of your choice (to a max of 18 - I/O and you have a pretty solid winner on your hands.

Not too mention you are working with the industry standard and don't have to worry about converting your files for other programs....blah, blah, blah, etc, etc ,etc!!

Before you guys start firing back , I switched from PT-LE to SX3, so don't kill the messenger - just callin'em like I seeum!

[Raw-Tracks]

Originally Posted by True North

uhhhhh, that still doesen't work and BTW my Dad can so kick your dad's ass!!

What about it is not working for you?

[olzzon]

Originally Posted by nikki-k

LE does have ADC...up to the buffer size. Set it to 1024, and you now have 1024 of ADC.

It´s definately not on the tracks.
Please place the same thing on 2 tracks, and insert a Plugin with 48 delay, and tell me that they are in sync.
The only delay compensation protools LE has is, that it compensates for the Buffersize when it records a track, if no plugins with delay is inserted, so the recorded track will be in sync with the played one.
BUT THIS IS NOT what other call PDC.
SO ONCE MORE.
PT LE has NO i repeat NO pdc compensation on plugins.

[toolskid]

Originally Posted by olzzon

It´s definately not on the tracks.
Please place the same thing on 2 tracks, and insert a Plugin with 48 delay, and tell me that they are in sync.
The only delay compensation protools LE has is, that it compensates for the Buffersize when it records a track, if no plugins with delay is inserted, so the recorded track will be in sync with the played one.
BUT THIS IS NOT what other call PDC.
SO ONCE MORE.
PT LE has NO i repeat NO pdc compensation on plugins.

actually it does have limited ADC, it wont compensate for some plugs and all lookahead plugins...

[dchapp]

I've never thought of Pro Tools LE as a sequencer...it is what it is...a scaled down, much less expensive version of Pro Tools HD meant mainly for audio recording and audio editing with "some" sequencing capability.....wasn't sequencing really kind of an after thought on Digi's part........

[jeronimo]

Originally Posted by toolskid

actually it does have limited ADC, it wont compensate for some plugs and all lookahead plugins...

Here we go again..........

[bugs]

Never.