Cubase 4 is released!

Roger Starr · 20th September 2006, 04:22 PM

There it is: http://www.steinberg.net/movies_en.php.

Looks good, but don't get why they called it 4 instead of SX4. Cubase 4 makes me remind Cubase 4 for the Mac around 1999, which wasn't the best...

Regards,

Roger

mogWai · 20th September 2006, 05:41 PM

Dunno.. Steinberg already have Cubase System 4 and I expect some confusion over that.

give it a few months and see what new bugs Steinberg have come up with.

jcschild · 20th September 2006, 06:26 PM

because its not an SX product.
studio is the SX

Scott
ADK

Roger Starr · 20th September 2006, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcschild

because its not an SX product.
studio is the SX

Scott
ADK

OK, please explain...

Regards,

Roger

junior · 20th September 2006, 08:25 PM

retail price increased to $899?
$199 to upgrade from sx3?
no grace period (in the US) for recent buyers of sx3?
no au support?
halion-one is only compatible with motif sample banks?...

must be the downside of yamaha buying steinberg. i think i'll sit this one out.

AdamJay · 20th September 2006, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by junior

no au support?

you'll never see AU support from the creators of VST (Steinberg)

Just the same, you'll never see VST support from the creators of AU (Apple)

statikcat · 20th September 2006, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by junior

retail price increased to $899?

If you had not noticed, Cubase has a lot of Nuendo functions now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by junior

no grace period (in the US) for recent buyers of sx3?

Why would there be? You think someone who bought SX3 yesterday for 599$ should get the 799$ version free? The upgrade price is the price difference between SX3 and 4 it makes perfect sense. If the person bought SX4 today instead they would be paying SX3 price + 200 = 800 anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by junior

no au support?

I thought AU support would be cool since I am a Mac user but once I used VST3 I didnt care. Why use AU over VST3 in Cubase? To lose features?

Quote:

Originally Posted by junior

halion-one is only compatible with motif sample banks?...

Halion One is just a new virtual instrument. It includes some sounds/wavs from the Motif. Tons of sounds all across the board. You are complaining that a new bread and butter sound module is included? If you are complaining that Cubase still has no stock sampler like most DAWS.. well that does stink.

Hexfix93 · 20th September 2006, 10:55 PM

It all means nothing if they didnt fix the bad external midi timing, or fix their lack luster sound engine that sounds washed with hyber bass and flat lifeless highend and midrange.

not to mention the latency compensation that doesnt cancle out on bus phase tests. and fx sends or any kind of routing screws up the sound quality, and the over all summing is bad.. so unless they fixed it all. this thing will stink jsut like all the other SXs did..

i know the yammaha digital mixers kick sx in the ass for routing and summing and sound qaulity. i hope that is what they added to sx.

because my 50 dollar renoise tracker kicks the crap out of sx in terms of tightness and sound quality, mixing/summing and vst fx and instruements.. explain that one to me..

stag · 20th September 2006, 11:12 PM

you seem to need an haircut... and wash your ears too, that migth be take care of things.

Hasta la vista, baby.

Hexfix93 · 20th September 2006, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stag

you seem to need an haircut... and wash your ears too, that migth be take care of things.

Hasta la vista, baby.

And you need to do an engine shoot out sometime.. maybe some tests.... like i have..

frugalpole · 20th September 2006, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by statikcat

Why use AU over VST3 in Cubase? To lose features?

simple: they don't make your AU plug as a VST. these companies need to get over there little pissing match, and act grown up. particularly when you drop between 8xx-1000 on a piece of software. (read between the lines apple/yamaha).

seriously. take your elementary school BS outside to the playground, and out of the music room...

oh yeah, btw: live supports both AU/VST...

Ziggy!! · 20th September 2006, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hexfix93

And you need to do an engine shoot out sometime.. maybe some tests.... like i have..

I have. And thats why I consider your posts nonsical rantings.

stag · 21st September 2006, 01:47 AM

Some dudesgo after the hyperbole of some companies: like samp 7 sums better than Nuendo, then samp 8 sounds better than 7, then 9 sounds better 8. When they cut BS and say "we need your money", but then this isn´t propaganda, it is a shot at their own feet, in my case either way is the same.
My first DAW was Samp4, it had another name by then, believe me i try hard to forget about it. By the time there was another app Nuendo1, it was a class apart... I believe it still is on every aspect.

Now VST3, a free standart, plus all the new functions... that´s a all new universe.
Read Steinberg pdf and smeer what you will, that upgrade is mine already.

jbuntz · 21st September 2006, 01:54 AM

I hope VST3 means sidechaining is possible.

nikki-k · 21st September 2006, 02:42 AM

Really curious if they improved routing. This was one area that caused me to want to sell Nuendo 3 (still for sale if anyone wants! nudge nudge...).

New stuff looks pretty nice...

junior · 21st September 2006, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by statikcat

If you had not noticed, Cubase has a lot of Nuendo functions now.

sx3 has shared most of the same functions as nuendo for quite a while now (sans the added surround and video features). afaik, this version doesn't change that fact.

Quote:

Originally Posted by statikcat

Why would there be? .

because that's the way steinberg's handled version upgrades until yamaha took over.

btw, the upgrade page on the steinberg site says that there IS a grace period, but only for certain countries. according to the steinberg rep i spoke to earlier, the US isn't one of them. why offer a grace period for some customers, but not for the rest? sounds pretty crappy to me...

http://www.steinberg.net/1047_1.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by statikcat

You think someone who bought SX3 yesterday for 599$ should get the 799$ version free? The upgrade price is the price difference between SX3 and 4 it makes perfect sense. If the person bought SX4 today instead they would be paying SX3 price + 200 = 800 anyway.

i think you might have missed my point: i think the price hike was a bad idea. however, if someone feels happy to shell out an additional $200, more power to 'em.

Quote:

Originally Posted by statikcat

I thought AU support would be cool since I am a Mac user but once I used VST3 I didnt care. Why use AU over VST3 in Cubase? To lose features?

because blockfish vst crashes cubase. also, it'd be nice to use some audiounit plugs that aren't available as vst.

Quote:

Originally Posted by statikcat

If you are complaining that Cubase still has no stock sampler like most DAWS.. well that does stink.

that's exactly what i meant.

anyway, why would they call it "halion one" if it's not supposed to function like their flagship sampler of the same name? just seems kind of confusing and ill conceived to me...

Ziggy!! · 21st September 2006, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frugalpole

simple: they don't make your AU plug as a VST. these companies need to get over there little pissing match, and act grown up. particularly when you drop between 8xx-1000 on a piece of software. (read between the lines apple/yamaha).

seriously. take your elementary school BS outside to the playground, and out of the music room...

oh yeah, btw: live supports both AU/VST...

What? You are kidding right? There is nothing more childish than getting upset over unrealistic expectations. You should get on digidesign's back for not supporting VST & AU plugin's in the $7000+ systems.

The fact that a company doesn't make a VST version of a AU plugin is not Steinberg's fault, there are plenty of companies out there that make the same plugin's for VST, AU, RTAS & TDM.

What are you going to be complaining about next? The fact that they won't make you a big mac at KFC? If you want a bic mac, goes to mcdonalds instead of throwing a childish tantrum.

shanabit · 21st September 2006, 03:26 AM

Just curious but I didnt see anything about an updated sound engine?

Still 32 bit float. Im guessing next version will be 64 bit or a hybrid like Sonar.
I really dont care to be honest, just noticed that. I like the way it sounds now

New features look GREAT!!!! This is a must have for me

frugalpole · 21st September 2006, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

What? You are kidding right? There is nothing more childish than getting upset over unrealistic expectations. You should get on digidesign's back for not supporting VST & AU plugin's in the $7000+ systems.

The fact that a company doesn't make a VST version of a AU plugin is not Steinberg's fault, there are plenty of companies out there that make the same plugin's for VST, AU, RTAS & TDM.

What are you going to be complaining about next? The fact that they won't make you a big mac at KFC? If you want a bic mac, goes to mcdonalds instead of throwing a childish tantrum.

if i got to mcd's and i want chicken they'll give it to me. not at kfc though...

the fault is that companies don't support both formats. is there a good reason not to? besides territorial bs.

Ziggy!! · 21st September 2006, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frugalpole

if i got to mcd's and i want chicken they'll give it to me. not at kfc though...

the fault is that companies don't support both formats. is there a good reason not to? besides territorial bs.

You're blaming the wrong companies... You should be getting on the back of those plugin designers who are making only AU plugins. They are the only ones conforming to "territorial bs".

If you want to talk territorial, walk us through AU being apple only. VST not only is cross platform, it is also used as the plugin standard for a dozen other DAW applications including open source software. That makes VST and VST software developers anything but territorial.

SnakeCained · 21st September 2006, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hexfix93

And you need to do an engine shoot out sometime.. maybe some tests.... like i have..

Strange I did the test with Pro Tools, Logic, SX3 and SSL AWS.

Results were:

1/ SSL
2/ SX
3/ Pro Tools
4/ Logic

everyone was amazed that SX was so good.

V4 (again? I remember challenge and response for the Mac!)

Looks like a GUI change rather than anything exciting.

Kermit · 21st September 2006, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbuntz

I hope VST3 means sidechaining is possible.

VST3 does indeed support sidechaining, but Cubase 4 doesn't

. It's supposed to be added in a later release, like 4.1, 4.2, whatever.

Cojo · 21st September 2006, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnakeCained

Strange I did the test with Pro Tools, Logic, SX3 and SSL AWS.

Results were:

1/ SSL
2/ SX
3/ Pro Tools
4/ Logic

everyone was amazed that SX was so good.

V4 (again? I remember challenge and response for the Mac!)

Looks like a GUI change rather than anything exciting.

I think he means the MIDI part of sx, not the audio.

/Cojo

Ziggy!! · 21st September 2006, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cojo

I think he means the MIDI part of sx, not the audio.

/Cojo

nar, type his monkier in google... Im pretty sure he means cubase just plain sucks.

Apparently it sounds like arse and has poor timing, period.

For some reason I can't beat nuendo for tight midi and a great sound, no matter what other software I try. That leads me to believe that hexfix really ment to say "I suck".

Queue old document of someones outdated comparisons with cubase 2 ===NOW===

tamasdragon · 21st September 2006, 11:38 AM

Don't forget that cubase and nuendo using the same audio engine.
Regards Tamas Dragon

boody · 21st September 2006, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frugalpole

if i got to mcd's and i want chicken they'll give it to me. not at kfc though...

WHAT? Kentucy fried chicken won't give you chicken??? Bast*rds

Loads of logic features in cubase4... let's hope logic will follow the example

jcschild · 21st September 2006, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Starr

OK, please explain...

Regards,

Roger

ummm look at N3 and look at Cubase 4 specs

that should give you a clue

then look at SX3 and Cubase Studio4.

Scott
ADK

orange · 21st September 2006, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcschild

ummm look at N3 and look at Cubase 4 specs

that should give you a clue

then look at SX3 and Cubase Studio4.

Scott
ADK

I'm still confused ?

djbrough · 21st September 2006, 03:34 PM

All I want to know is if the new instrument channels will actually record audio from VSTi's. That would save a ton of time from exporting individual tracks.

bigbaby987 · 21st September 2006, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boody

Loads of logic features in cubase4... let's hope logic will follow the example

exactly what i was thinking... exactly..
finally you have instrument tracks...
finally there's a project manager..
and more bundled plugs and that's just watching the first video..

wow

by the way.. did you noticed that all the "remix" videos, the guys used macs??? hmmmmmmm

actually the whole user interface is more like logic.. almost

20th September 2006, 04:22 PM	#1
Roger Starr Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Millcorner, Holland Posts: 652	Cubase 4 is released! There it is: http://www.steinberg.net/movies_en.php. Looks good, but don't get why they called it 4 instead of SX4. Cubase 4 makes me remind Cubase 4 for the Mac around 1999, which wasn't the best... Regards, Roger

20th September 2006, 05:41 PM	#2
mogWai Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 729	Dunno.. Steinberg already have Cubase System 4 and I expect some confusion over that. give it a few months and see what new bugs Steinberg have come up with. __________________ "NUKEM! Get them before they get you.]

20th September 2006, 08:25 PM	#5
junior Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 956	retail price increased to $899? $199 to upgrade from sx3? no grace period (in the US) for recent buyers of sx3? no au support? halion-one is only compatible with motif sample banks?... must be the downside of yamaha buying steinberg. i think i'll sit this one out. __________________ "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep"... --Scott Adams

21st September 2006, 02:42 AM	#15
nikki-k Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: PDX Posts: 480	Really curious if they improved routing. This was one area that caused me to want to sell Nuendo 3 (still for sale if anyone wants! nudge nudge...). New stuff looks pretty nice... __________________ nikki k

20th September 2006, 06:26 PM	#3
jcschild Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 872	because its not an SX product. studio is the SX Scott ADK

20th September 2006, 10:55 PM	#8
Hexfix93 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 316	It all means nothing if they didnt fix the bad external midi timing, or fix their lack luster sound engine that sounds washed with hyber bass and flat lifeless highend and midrange. not to mention the latency compensation that doesnt cancle out on bus phase tests. and fx sends or any kind of routing screws up the sound quality, and the over all summing is bad.. so unless they fixed it all. this thing will stink jsut like all the other SXs did.. i know the yammaha digital mixers kick sx in the ass for routing and summing and sound qaulity. i hope that is what they added to sx. because my 50 dollar renoise tracker kicks the crap out of sx in terms of tightness and sound quality, mixing/summing and vst fx and instruements.. explain that one to me..

20th September 2006, 11:12 PM	#9
stag Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Over myself Posts: 652	you seem to need an haircut... and wash your ears too, that migth be take care of things. Hasta la vista, baby.

21st September 2006, 01:47 AM	#13
stag Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Over myself Posts: 652	Some dudesgo after the hyperbole of some companies: like samp 7 sums better than Nuendo, then samp 8 sounds better than 7, then 9 sounds better 8. When they cut BS and say "we need your money", but then this isn´t propaganda, it is a shot at their own feet, in my case either way is the same. My first DAW was Samp4, it had another name by then, believe me i try hard to forget about it. By the time there was another app Nuendo1, it was a class apart... I believe it still is on every aspect. Now VST3, a free standart, plus all the new functions... that´s a all new universe. Read Steinberg pdf and smeer what you will, that upgrade is mine already.

21st September 2006, 01:54 AM	#14
jbuntz Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,650	I hope VST3 means sidechaining is possible.

21st September 2006, 03:26 AM	#18
shanabit Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,005	Just curious but I didnt see anything about an updated sound engine? Still 32 bit float. Im guessing next version will be 64 bit or a hybrid like Sonar. I really dont care to be honest, just noticed that. I like the way it sounds now New features look GREAT!!!! This is a must have for me

21st September 2006, 11:38 AM	#25
tamasdragon Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Hungary Posts: 802	Don't forget that cubase and nuendo using the same audio engine. Regards Tamas Dragon

21st September 2006, 03:34 PM	#29
djbrough Gear addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 358	All I want to know is if the new instrument channels will actually record audio from VSTi's. That would save a ton of time from exporting individual tracks.