Nuendo to Protools export problem

[Tim Farrant]

Wonder if someone here can help. I am trying to export Nuendo (latest version) to Protools and tried using .omf file format and Protools says it cannot import due to errors in the file. I then tried using the .aaf format, and managed to import one song but the other will not import.

What am I missing here, anyone have experience with this? I don't need any fades or mix data, just the audio in place.

Thanks in advance
Tim.

[True North]

Why not go into the audio folder and just drop the individual wave file tracks into PT ?

[Tim Farrant]

Not all the audio tracks start at the same place, but I suppose it's a possibility. However, why have a file interchange system if it does not work? As I siad, one imported OK, the other track won't.

[Solar]

Originally Posted by Tim Farrant

However, why have a file interchange system if it does not work? As I siad, one imported OK, the other track won't.

Hey Tim!

I guess thats the BEAUTY of tehcnology my man! To be honest with you , i experienced the same thing with my M-powered and also when i went ot mix in toehr studio that has HD rig. I think what you should do and it takes second to do it, because your audio track dont start at teh same start point, simply select the track or track that you doesnt start at teh beginning and Choose in Nuendo, under AUDIO menu/Bounce Selection. It takes a second and your audio become a one long file but for sur u need to add "empty" track from the beginning of that track to make it one that does the lengh of your song.. and then simply "Open the wave file in PT..

Hope this help.

But i must admit to you that this sucks, having these great DAW and still there is problem on transfering Files btw them..

Good luck

[AdamLazlo]

If all the audio tracks don't start at the same spot (zero), what I do is highlight the track from zero to the end of the tracked song (doesn't matter if you're too short or long, just as long as it's selected from zero and beyond), then I select "Bounce Selection" under the "Audio" top menu. It'll make the whole selected track one continuous audio file starting at zero.

Then I simply transfer (copy) those files (cuz it's a permanent edit in the pool) to an external folder on the desktop as per song/audio folder.

That's the way I've been transferring audio out of Nuendo for other software DAW's...

Does that make sense? If not, let me know.

Try it on something you don't mind fukkin' up, just in case. Once you get it right it'll make sense for future sessions.

-- Adam Lazlo

[Ziggy!!]

It has been a while since I've done this, but aren't there two different types of .OMF format? Like there is a type 0 and type 1 midi format?

Maybe try a different type?

[Solar]

Originally Posted by Ziggy!!

It has been a while since I've done this, but aren't there two different types of .OMF format? Like there is a type 0 and type 1 midi format?

Maybe try a different type?

First , Adam, thats exactly what i meant.

Now Ziggy Marley!! Yes there two diff type, OMF 1 and 2.0. I remember that my experience happen to turn out negative when i use OMF version 2.0 wich is the one i alwasy use. When i open the OMF version 2.0 form Nuendo to sonar or anything else, works perfectly. But with PT Nahhh!! did not work, not saying that it DOES NOT work, i'm sure other succeeded. Maybe you should try OMF version 1.0 and see

Good luck!!

[AdamLazlo]

Originally Posted by Solar

First , Adam, thats exactly what i meant.

Yeah, we trampled (x - posted) the same idea within the same amount of time... Yup, we're on the same page (pardon the pun). Hopefully it helps out Tim Farrant.

-- Adam Lazlo

[abit]

Originally Posted by Tim Farrant

.omf file format and Protools says it cannot import due to errors in the file.

1. PT is a garbage.
2. Bounce from 0 always works, but boring as a crock hunting..
3. Didn't try myself, but..
if U check Nuendo help on wave64 and Broadcast Wave
it'll say, that different type of info included in the file,
and the timecode position is one of them.
I presume(?) it could be even imported to PT in to exact timecode position automatically. I presume.. ba da boom..
Even if it will not, U have the TC info in the file,
so U don't have to bounce every time from 0,
but record your session in Broadcast/wave64 format initially,
by stating your file format in the "project setup".
I presume...


Well,
if it works please let us know.
Full respect!
abit

[pympwell]

This is a reprint from a Stein site i think........ it should work fine.

"Nuendo and Cubase SX
Exporting stem files for pro tools [and other programs]

There are many ways to move your projects between Nuendo/ Cubase and other programs like Protools they all are very dependant on how you start your session i.e. bit depth, sample rate, recording of stereo files. If one of things is not quite right the transfer could go terribly wrong leaving you red faced in the end. Professionals for years have been using Stem mixes to overcome this problem. They are basically audio files that are all one length in a format any DAW can open they all start and end at the same time so when you import them into another DAW they just line up no headaches. So if you want to know more about this is done read on I will show you how to do make this procedure as painless as possible and also how to get sessions from Protools back into Nuendo or Cubase. Until you get the hang of this it is recommended that you work on a copy of a session or a test session incase you accidentally delete the wrong files.

There is a macro that needs to be created before doing this so please do this first.

You do not need any projects open just open the Nuendo/ Cubase SX.

* Go to the file menu and select key commands.
* Make sure the macros are being shown use the show macros button.
* Click on new macro and call it stems or some thing like that.
* Select the macro you just made by clicking on it
* Go to the list in the top filled with folders and find the edit folder. Expand it and click on Select All. Now press the add command from the lower window you should see it attach it self to the Stems macro.
* Go back up to the top list and expand transport and click on locate selection now press the add command from the lower window you should see it attach itself to your macro.
* Go back up to the top list and expand tool and click on range tool now press the add command from the lower window you should see it attach itself to your macro.
* Go back up to the top list and expand edit and click on select all now press the add command from the lower window you should see it attach itself to your macro.
* Go back up to the top list and expand audio and click on bounce now press the add command from the lower window you should see it attach itself to your macro.
* The macro is now been made and will be stored as part of the program no need to do this again.

The finished macro click here

Now onto the project

1. Open Nuendo/Cubase and make the macro from above.
2. Create a copy of the project. Got to the file menu click on save project to new folder. When the dialog box comes up give it a name and press ok.
3. Close the current project and open the copy you just created.
4. At this point it is a good idea to record and export all external sound sources and VSTi so they are in the project in audio form. This process only works with audio files that are in the project window. Also now is a good time to be sure that all your audio tracks are named and all parts are lined up the way you want them naming is important because the track names will be used for the file names.
5. If you are working in 32 bit mode you must convert all the audio files to 24 bit before exporting them for Protools. Protools cannot at the time of writing read a 32 bit file. To do this open the pool window and right click (ctrl click Mac OS) on the audio folder and choose convert files. When the dialog box comes up click on the sample width option and change it the bit rate to 24 or 16 and under the options at the bottom of this dialogue box select the replace files option and press ok.
6. At this point we are almost ready to start the export one thing I recommend is to make a new audio track and place an empty audio part on it at the very beginning of the timeline think of this as a place holder you can use the pencil tool to draw this on the track. example
7. It is time to run the macro you made at the beginning of this. Go to the edit menu and make your way down to macros and select your macro. When you initiate the macro it will prompt you to replace events select replace. example 1 example 2
8. The place holder track we created earlier can be deleted at this time as it is no longer needed.
9. If the macro was created properly at this point the all the audio should be the same length starting and ending at the same time. example
10. Now we have to clean up the audio files folder so we can prepare it for delivery. Open the pool window and right click (ctrl click Mac OS) on the audio folder and select remove unused media. example1 example 2.When prompted move the unused media to the trash. Now right click (ctrl click Mac OS) on the trash can and choose empty trash when prompted choose to erase these files. example1 example 2. The pool should now only contain the audio files that are single length from the procedure you performed earlier.
11. Now save this project and close it.
12. Navigate to the folder that this project was saved in. The audio files folder that is there will contain all the files you will need to deliver that are the same length. If some needs to bring them into another program they can by importing the files and placing them at the beginning of the project ensuring that they will all line up the way the where on your own system.

Going From Protools to Nuendo

1. Be sure your session is cleaned up and all your tracks are named.
2. Go to the file menu and select save session to new folder. Make a new folder on you drive and name it accordingly. At this time you can change and attributes to the files if you choose. Near the bottom of this dialogue box you will see an area named items to copy make sure you choose the all audio files option.
3. After this has completed close this session and open the copy you just made.
4. Make sure that all virtual instrument and any external sound sources have been recorded or bounced into the session as audio files and are placed in the proper locations so they will be included in the procedure you are about to do.
5. Turn on the all group option from the groups menu.
6. Choose the selector tool and highlight from the end of the session all the way to the left most position at the beginning of the tracks.
7. Now with all the audio tracks still highlighted go to the edit menu and select consolidate selection. This will make all the selected files the same length start to finish.
8. Click on the audio menu located above the regions bin and choose the select-> unused regions. Now click on the audio menu and choose clear selected. When prompted delete these unused files.
9. Go to the audio menu again and choose select all.
10. Go to the audio menu again and choose export selected as files.
11. Change any attributes if needed and where this window shows “destination directory” click choose. Make a new folder on your hard drive and open it with the provided button so you are looking inside of the folder that was created and press the “use current folder” button.
12. Press export and when it is done save and close.
13. The folder you exported to is now the folder for delivery and contains all the single length audio files."

long but possibly worth a shot.

[Tim Farrant]

Thanks for all the idea, I suppose I'll just copy audio files as suggested.

But, this does raise issues with the whole DAW concept, the lack of easy interchange is a flaw in the system. If I was using 2" tape, I would be up and running straight away, not 2-3 weeks later!

Cheers
Tim.

[kittonian]

Originally Posted by Tim Farrant

Wonder if someone here can help. I am trying to export Nuendo (latest version) to Protools and tried using .omf file format and Protools says it cannot import due to errors in the file. I then tried using the .aaf format, and managed to import one song but the other will not import.

What am I missing here, anyone have experience with this? I don't need any fades or mix data, just the audio in place.

Thanks in advance
Tim.

Some things to check.

1. Do you have DigiTranslator 2.0 installed and authorized properly? I know this is a silly question but ProTools cannot natively handle OMF, it's an option you have to purchase from Digi.

2. Is/was your Nuendo session tracked at 32bit float? If so, ProTools cannot handle this file format and you need to redo your Nuendo session to make it 24bit. ProTools handles this just fine.

Other than that and the fact that you cannot go beyond the 2GB limit for the OMF file size (if you are doing a packaged OMF) you should have no problems. We do it all the time here.

Hope that helps!