Logic Pro audio editing

[ElectriK Noize]

Hello all. I've recently been exploring pro tools HD on the mac after having been a pc cubase guy for a long time.

In short I'm diggin the mac, but ain't to hot on Pro Tools.

I really liked the way Cubase handled its audio editing; regions, clips, events, parts etc. And I *love* the fact that everything can be hot key assignable by the user. This makes editing audio a breeze

I've heard that Logic is similar, but wondered how it stands up in its own right. Is it more of a midi/soft synth app, or are folks really using it for hardcore audio editing?

Pro tools can get the job done no doubt, but just feels sluggish to me. Probably because I've been so 'cubase focused' for so long.

[ElectriK Noize]

hmmm and now after making that post I see that this topic has been covered a little bit before....

off to search the archives but am still interested in peoples current thoughts on the matter

[ToddS]

Most people will tell you that when it comes to audio, Pro Tools is a better editor...that being said, I think Nuendo is really amazing at editing fast and the customization is without peer. Logic is comparable and in some ways better, some ways worse, depending on how you like to work.

I prefer Logic to Nuendo personally.

[Lagerfeldt]

I pretty much agree with all of the above, although I don't think Nuendo has anything on Logic regarding customization.

I also prefer Logic to Nuendo, and ProTools. I do lots of audio editing in Logic, both music, post production and sample editing.

[ElectriK Noize]

I guess something else to consider is simply using the program I'm confortable with (cubase) on the mac platform. Am I right in thinking that Nuendo and cubase are very much similar, but cubase has more of the midi stuff?

Heck all these programs are very powerful in there own ways.

[Lagerfeldt]

I would agree, if you're already comfortable with Cubase then you should keep on using it.

Nuendo is basically an expanded version (on some areas) of Cubase, I believe you can go to Steinberg.net and see the actual differences.

[redroom]

Audio and Midi is the same in Cubase and Nuendo

[quincyg]

fwiw i prefer audio editing in pro tools, but do 99.9% of my editing work in logic now, just because i find logic to be so great for everything non audio editing related. i use pt for multi tracking and beat detective. logic is has a lot of weird little bugs, so you have to spend time hunting down workarounds for program glitches.

[Lagerfeldt]

Out of curiosity, which bugs are you referring to?

[gsilbers]

Originally Posted by ElectriK Noize

Hello all. I've recently been exploring pro tools HD on the mac after having been a pc cubase guy for a long time.

In short I'm diggin the mac, but ain't to hot on Pro Tools.

I really liked the way Cubase handled its audio editing; regions, clips, events, parts etc. And I *love* the fact that everything can be hot key assignable by the user. This makes editing audio a breeze

I've heard that Logic is similar, but wondered how it stands up in its own right. Is it more of a midi/soft synth app, or are folks really using it for hardcore audio editing?

Pro tools can get the job done no doubt, but just feels sluggish to me. Probably because I've been so 'cubase focused' for so long.

i think the transicion from cubase to logic is easier than from pro tools to logic.

i used to have cubase V5 and the layout was kinda similar to logic 6 i think so it was kinda easy except for the environment but learnt that i dont need it that much. well not as much as the poeple that post environments at swiftkick.com. i mean damn.. really complex stuff in there.

but if u have cubase for mac then use it. i didnt like much cubase or repect it until i went to hanz zimmer studio and everyone there used cubase in a mac and like 24 PCs for samples and instruments networked over LAN.

[ToddS]

Originally Posted by ElectriK Noize

I guess something else to consider is simply using the program I'm confortable with (cubase) on the mac platform. Am I right in thinking that Nuendo and cubase are very much similar, but cubase has more of the midi stuff?

Heck all these programs are very powerful in there own ways.

The difference between current versions of Nuendo and Cubase SX at this point are the networking and post features in Nuendo. All of the audio and MIDI are the same in both.

My favorite feature in Nuendo and Cubase is the Play Order Track. This MPC-like feature allows you to create markers and re-arrange/extend/edit them without having to cut and paste your audio files.....just click and drag the markers to different parts of the song and it will re-arrange the playorder without moving the audio. For songwriting and arranging this is a must have. No other software program I have seen has that yet. To do this in Logic you need to pack everything into folders....kind of sucks comparatively.

I would stick with Cubase on the Mac, or potentially upgrade to Nuendo, if it has features you'll need. Maybe get a copy of Logic Express if you wanted to experiment with it.

[Ashermusic]

Originally Posted by ToddS

The difference between current versions of Nuendo and Cubase SX at this point are the networking and post features in Nuendo. All of the audio and MIDI are the same in both.

My favorite feature in Nuendo and Cubase is the Play Order Track. This MPC-like feature allows you to create markers and re-arrange/extend/edit them without having to cut and paste your audio files.....just click and drag the markers to different parts of the song and it will re-arrange the playorder without moving the audio. For songwriting and arranging this is a must have. No other software program I have seen has that yet. To do this in Logic you need to pack everything into folders....kind of sucks comparatively.

I would stick with Cubase on the Mac, or potentially upgrade to Nuendo, if it has features you'll need. Maybe get a copy of Logic Express if you wanted to experiment with it.

For what it's worth a couple of the Steinberg people admitted to me that Cubase/Nuendo runs better on the PC.

If you are on the Mac IMHO Logic Pro or Digital Performer are better choices. On the PC Cubase/Nuendo are great.

[quincyg]

Originally Posted by Lagerfeldt

Out of curiosity, which bugs are you referring to?

hi lagerfelt,

really they are endless. the one that ruined my day yesterday was trying to copy and paste/option drag across 50 tracks crashed my session. so i tried to do it with folders and that created a whole other set of problems. i posted more info on it in the thread about is pro tools dead.

another real pain lately has been this everpresent memory bug when trying to edit more than 1 region at a time. although it happened last night with only one region. switching screensets made it go away.

and yes i have recently rebuilt my autoload etc. these kinds of glitches are not present to the same degree in pro tools.

[quincyg]

...although after having a cup of coffee i am recalling that most of my sessions that i am working on lately are converted from dae to core audio. i had severe logic bugs under dae and i hope that these bugs are remnants from those old sessions.

[octatonic]

Quincy,

Are you using the ESB?
If so, get rid of it and go to core audio/DAE.
it is much more stable.

James

[theblue1]

Originally Posted by ToddS

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My favorite feature in Nuendo and Cubase is the Play Order Track. This MPC-like feature allows you to create markers and re-arrange/extend/edit them without having to cut and paste your audio files.....just click and drag the markers to different parts of the song and it will re-arrange the playorder without moving the audio. For songwriting and arranging this is a must have. No other software program I have seen has that yet. To do this in Logic you need to pack everything into folders....kind of sucks comparatively.
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Sounds very much like the same functionality is delivered by the "linked clips" that have been in Sonar since its early days of audio. If you drag and drop an audio clip, you have the option of doing so as a "linked clip" -- it shows up in the track looking just like the source clip. But it's actually just a "pointer" to the actual data. Changing the original clip changes all the "linked clips." (And, of course, you can unlink any of the copies on an ad hoc basis.)

What's nice about that way of doing it is that you have the visual representation of the audio clip(s) right there in the track(s) in the time space you expect it, which can be helpful when editing and arranging.

[ToddS]

Originally Posted by theblue1

Sounds very much like the same functionality is delivered by the "linked clips" that have been in Sonar since its early days of audio. If you drag and drop an audio clip, you have the option of doing so as a "linked clip" -- it shows up in the track looking just like the source clip. But it's actually just a "pointer" to the actual data. Changing the original clip changes all the "linked clips." (And, of course, you can unlink any of the copies on an ad hoc basis.)

What's nice about that way of doing it is that you have the visual representation of the audio clip(s) right there in the track(s) in the time space you expect it, which can be helpful when editing and arranging.

Thats sounds similar indeed. I can't believe that Logic does not have this feature, since Logic is supposedly great software for songwriters.....

[Lagerfeldt]

Of course it has.

[Ashermusic]

As Lagerfeld says, of course it has just different terminology.

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[quincyg]

getting the same memory bugs with my clean autoload in logic. if if hit undo and redo it the memoy error goes away.it is simply a buggy program. maybe logic 8 will be an overhual.

[quincyg]

Originally Posted by theblue1

Sounds very much like the same functionality is delivered by the "linked clips" that have been in Sonar since its early days of audio. If you drag and drop an audio clip, you have the option of doing so as a "linked clip" -- it shows up in the track looking just like the source clip. But it's actually just a "pointer" to the actual data. Changing the original clip changes all the "linked clips." (And, of course, you can unlink any of the copies on an ad hoc basis.)

What's nice about that way of doing it is that you have the visual representation of the audio clip(s) right there in the track(s) in the time space you expect it, which can be helpful when editing and arranging.

i think they all work like this now.

[ElectriK Noize]

wow lots of great posts. seems like if steinberg can get cubase/nuendo hoppin well on the new macs, that will probably be the direction I go in.

I used cubase sx3 on PC for a long time and dig the program alot, but I would like to move over to working on the mac.

[goldphinga]

in logic its called an alias

[AnthonyA]

What you guys are refering to, has been in Cubase since the very begining (I think every daw has this). It is called "ghost copy" in Cubase/Nuendo.

It is not "Play Order" track. "Play Order" track is a completely new thing. Ask anyone who uses both Logic and Cubase/Nuendo and they will tell you that there is nothing like it in Logic and that they wish Logic had something similar.

[Lagerfeldt]

Yup