NI solid bus comp vs The Glue

[ohmicide]

I just did a test but had some problems with the bounces, gonna have to bounce everything again in a bit and repost

in the mean time, I personally like The Glue the best based on features (oversampling, freq sidechaining, range knob, output clipping) and overall sound

it just seems to glue things together better IMO, gonna have to buy it soon!

[KrisM]

Originally Posted by ohmicide

I just did a test but had some problems with the bounces, gonna have to bounce everything again in a bit and repost

in the mean time, I personally like The Glue the best based on features (oversampling, freq sidechaining, range knob, output clipping) and overall sound

it just seems to glue things together better IMO, gonna have to buy it soon!

I think you might get a crossgrade offer, don't you have Live 9? I'm pretty sure there was a discount on Live 9 if you had The Glue previously, $30 or something.

[ohmicide]

Originally Posted by KrisM

I think you might get a crossgrade offer, don't you have Live 9? I'm pretty sure there was a discount on Live 9 if you had The Glue previously, $30 or something.

I don't have Live 9, so I would have to upgrade and then I'd only be able to use The Glue inside of Live

I rather just buy The Glue as a plug-in and use it in any DAW, it might not support oversampling on the Live version too but I didn't check so I don't know for sure

[ohmicide]

here's my acoustic drums test, drums provided by Kontakt using the "Tommy" SSD kit

[Ged]

Hmmmm....I actually prefer the Solid Bus examples, sounds a bit "Bigger"

BTW cheers man for the posts , great to hear examples.

[ohmicide]

and the electronic drums test, technically same compression but the source is much louder so it's pushing the compressors harder hence +3db make up gain

drums are a loop from one of my sample packs, ridiculously squashed but you can still hear what the compressors can do very well

[ohmicide]

okay so the new standalone version of Solid Bus Comp was released today, so I matched the setting from the Guitar Rig version and exported the results

Guitar Rig with the HI setting on doesn't null with this version, but the regular one does for the most part, weird..

here are the clips and a screen shot of the settings

I gotta add that the new interface looks sexy as fuhhhhhh

[atma]

was this made by softube?

[Tuesday Knight]

Originally Posted by atma

was this made by softube?

Don't think so tbh. Some of the other stuff was.

[Synthpark]

I installed and played around with the Solid series.

No anti-aliasing

Gate completely sucks (compared to Logics gate).

Beautiful GUIs, but otherwise ... I trust The Glue.

And the funny thing: The bus comp makes things louder at 100% dry setting and 0 dB gain.

[ohmicide]

I just looked at the manual to figure out exactly what the HI button does

from the manual

If it is necessary to save some CPU power without limiting the number of components,
you can deactivate High Quality mode by clicking on the HI button. High Quality mode means that the current sample rate is doubled using oversampling, resulting in a higher resolution of sound.

so this means that you can oversample in Guitar Rig but not in the standalone plug-ins

not cool!

[Ged]

Originally Posted by ohmicide

I just looked at the manual to figure out exactly what the HI button does

from the manual



so this means that you can oversample in Guitar Rig but not in the standalone plug-ins

not cool!

Invader check your fb messages , i can lern dubzstepz ??????

[Zyzygis]

Originally Posted by ohmicide

I just looked at the manual to figure out exactly what the HI button does

from the manual



so this means that you can oversample in Guitar Rig but not in the standalone plug-ins

not cool!

Could it be possible that oversampling is on by default?

[Aiyn Zahav]

Originally Posted by Synthpark

And the funny thing: The bus comp makes things louder at 100% dry setting and 0 dB gain.

Yes I noticed that too. Don't some hardware units do the same?

[ohmicide]

Originally Posted by Zyzygis

Could it be possible that oversampling is on by default?

it nulled with the GR version on the normal setting and not with the HI (x2 oversampling) setting

that wouldn't really make sense anyways, plug-ins don't usually oversample by default

[ohmicide]

Originally Posted by Aiyn Zahav

Yes I noticed that too. Don't some hardware units do the same?

the threshold on Solid Bus Comp at 0dB is the same as the threshold on The Glue at -20dB so that might be why

if you look at the SSL duende plug-in, it's set up the same as Solid Bus Comp

I'm guessing Andy just made the threshold actually make sense since he cared more about making the plug-in more useable instead of doing an exact replica

[Zyzygis]

Originally Posted by ohmicide

it nulled with the GR version on the normal setting and not with the HI (x2 oversampling) setting

that wouldn't really make sense anyways, plug-ins don't usually oversample by default

Ah. Thanks for clarifying that.

[Synthpark]

Originally Posted by ohmicide

it nulled with the GR version on the normal setting and not with the HI (x2 oversampling) setting

that wouldn't really make sense anyways, plug-ins don't usually oversample by default

Some do, the Elysia Alpha, the Mpressor. And I guess, also the Waves API 2500.

[stinkyfingers]

who is who ?

[Aiyn Zahav]

Originally Posted by stinkyfingers

who is who ?

I'm going to guess 1 is NI and 2 is the Glue.

1. is less clear but has more action
2. is cleaner but more steady no as interesting.

Are both at 44.1?

[lestermagneto]

I tried the NI Comp series, and honsestly thought they sounded pretty good, but it was a quickie test, and didn't do a lot of a/b ing.... but really did a nice job on some vocal groups and whatnot...

my biggest issue with the NI comps is that their sidechaining feature is really confusing if I remember correctly... there was no way in ableton to easily assign anything to the input... they had some convoluted workaround, (and i'm not a huge SC guy, certainly not for "pumping FX things), but that frustrated me, have they implemented this better or is there a solution that you guys know on this?

thanks

[Ged]

ok I'll say....2 is Solid comp , 1 Glue

[ohmicide]

Originally Posted by Ged

ok I'll say....2 is Solid comp , 1 Glue

yeah same

tis hard to tell!

[Aiyn Zahav]

Originally Posted by ohmicide

yeah same

tis hard to tell!

Yes but this is just one setting of many, I find on most settings they sound very differenct from each other.

[stinkyfingers]

that example is actually parallel compression...
both compressors were calibrated for 10 dB of gain reduction with a 55 Hz sine wave (@ 0 dBFS) because that seemed to be about the freq. of the kick...
1 ms attack, 100 ms release, 10:1 ratio.
compressed tracks were level matched @ -15 dBFS RMS and combined with the dry track @ -15dBFS RMS. (1:1)
both of the comps have very similar attack envelope for this setting but the release is slightly different...

[Ged]

Answers??????

[stinkyfingers]

i was pretty stoned when i did that so i forget which is which...

[Ged]

Originally Posted by stinkyfingers

i was pretty stoned when i did that so i forget which is which...

[djanthonyw]

2nd one sounds like The Glue.