23rd December 2012
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#1 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Uxbridge, MA
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Thread Starter | Does anyone dislike VCC and VTM?
They are on sale really cheap right now and I see praise from everyone about these plugs. I want to test but only have ilok 1. Anyone want to talk me out of it?
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23rd December 2012
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#2 | | Lives for gear
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Never heard of anybody who would not like these plugins  | 
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#3 | | Lives for gear
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Ilok2 on the other hand.........
;-)
I hate iLok but Slate makes awesome plugs and I'd rather see a good company stay in business,continue to produce new products,be able to afford to offer real tech support and constantly update & improve the products and not get raped by pirates and thieves.
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23rd December 2012
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#4 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Uxbridge, MA
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I've had no problems with ilok :knocks on wood:
Hopefully it stays that way.
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23rd December 2012
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#5 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2008 |
I like the VTM and didn't like the VCC when I demoed it, so I just bought VTM on sale  | |
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#6 | | Gear addict
Joined: Nov 2008
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VTM - only gives you a few options - if your a presto guy it works Ok.
UAD Studer and Ampex are way better for me as I tweak more.
But I use HEAT and Phoenix II more than VCC & VTM mainly because they are AAX DSP while slate plug-ins are native only.
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#7 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2012 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow
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Originally Posted by passmore  UAD Studer and Ampex are way better for me as I tweak more. | I agree that if you already have those plugins, having VTM is not that big deal. Quote:
Originally Posted by cyjanopan I like the VTM and didn't like the VCC when I demoed it, so I just bought VTM on sale | Why didnt you like it?
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#8 | | GS Community Manager
Joined: Jan 2006 Location: Surrey / London |
Haven't found time yet to try VTM but VCC gets strapped across every music job I do here...
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#9 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2003 Location: Bowmanville,Ontario
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Used to use VCC on everything now it's barely used at all!!
Seems to cloud up my mixes. Now I might use the neve here and there if something needs that particular type of girth (love that word !) but I find it easier to mix without it.
Old habits...
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23rd December 2012
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#10 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Uxbridge, MA
Posts: 210
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From the looks of it, it seems like the VCC is a lot of work to deal with. Having to add it to every track up front and mix into it, then not really be able to bypass and get a fair comparison.
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#11 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jun 2008 Location: Malmö. Sweden |
Imo VCC adds a "fake high end to most tracks... I still prefer nebula for console emulation. VTM on the other hand can be real nice from time to time.
/Jon
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23rd December 2012
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#12 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Uxbridge, MA
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Nebula isn't aax/rtas right?
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23rd December 2012
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#13 | | Gear interested
Joined: May 2009
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Sorry, what's VCC AND VTM?
Cheers
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#14 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Uxbridge, MA
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Heat is HD only it seems, so I can't go for that. Phoenix ii is more than double the price of the VCC/VTM combo, which is just too much for me.
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#15 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2012 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow
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Originally Posted by che47audio Sorry, what's VCC AND VTM?
Cheers | Virtual Console Collection and Virtual Tape Machines by Slate Digital.
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#16 | | Lives for gear
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If you can only get one I would go with VTM. I use both but I don't put them on every channel. For what it's worth I'm still going to buy Phoenix II soon. When I demoed it I really liked it.
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23rd December 2012
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#17 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Uxbridge, MA
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I'm really tempted because the pair can be had for just $195 right now. Seems like a pretty killer deal since they are normally 2 bones each. Have you guys seen the price this low before?
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#18 | | Lives for gear
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Didnt like VCC when I demoed it. Compared to NLS, it does strange things in bass region. I am happy with Cakewalk's Sonar X2 console emulations {SSL, Neve, Trident} on paar with NLS IMHO. Especially Neve version does miracles on mids...
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#19 | | Gear nut
Joined: Feb 2012
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I really like both products. I wouldn't want to mix without VCC now that I've been using it. With VTM, I could go either way. VTM is great, but you don't NEED the tape sound. It is quite flattering to have the 1/2" 456 30ips on the mix bus, but I could also live without it.
VCC is more of a must-have purchase. I usually go for the Brit-N and set the levels of all the channels and the mix bus peaking at 0db on the VUl. I feel that if you're more conservative with the levels you don't get the console sound.
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23rd December 2012
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#20 | | Gear nut
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 115
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Originally Posted by icecubeman Didnt like VCC when I demoed it. Compared to NLS, it does strange things in bass region. I am happy with Cakewalk's Sonar X2 console emulations {SSL, Neve, Trident} on paar with NLS IMHO. Especially Neve version does miracles on mids... | yeah NLS is different than VCC in that way. I tried NLS first, but I actually liked what VCC did too the bass. 
NLS is cool too, but I feel that VCC does a better job emulating with crosstalk and all that. Also, VCC has more 60s/70s consoles. NLS is 2 80s consoles and 1 70s console. I like the sound of the 70s consoles more.
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23rd December 2012
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#21 | | Gear nut
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 115
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Originally Posted by jcoutu1 I'm really tempted because the pair can be had for just $195 right now. Seems like a pretty killer deal since they are normally 2 bones each. Have you guys seen the price this low before?
Sent from my slutzapp. | They're on sale for $195 now?! You'd be crazy not the pull the trigger on that deal... I paid $150 for each two months ago and thought that was a good deal.  | |
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#22 | | Lives for gear
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everyone was raving about vcc but i see as times change habits do too.
what happened ?
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#23 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2007 Location: Slovakia
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If you read carefully audio forums, you find that name Steven Slate is almost untouchable. A lot of hype about his products and I am not saying that they are not great | |
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#24 | | Lives for gear
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I think that Slate is almost the "best" company at the moment with Softube. Its really great to see how enthusiastic they are about their products. Also its nice to see that they take part to the discussions on the forum.
There are some companies who just throw their product out and support is quite hard to get after that.
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23rd December 2012
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#25 | | Lives for gear
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website shows 299 bucks! black friday was 199 but where is this 195 that thou has mentioned ?
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23rd December 2012
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#26 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2007 Location: West Coast
Posts: 1,946
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Originally Posted by icecubeman Didnt like VCC when I demoed it. Compared to NLS, it does strange things in bass region. I am happy with Cakewalk's Sonar X2 console emulations {SSL, Neve, Trident} on paar with NLS IMHO. Especially Neve version does miracles on mids... | Different strokes, I demoed both and didn't like NLS as much as VCC... both are good though
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#27 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2007 Location: Slovakia
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Originally Posted by superwack Different strokes, I demoed both and didn't like NLS as much as VCC... both are good though | Yes it is about opinions and tastes, and it is right  | |
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#28 | | Lives for gear
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i bought VCC, NLS and McDSP G Console.
on my sh*tty little speakers and with headphones, VCC... very subtle but nice. NLS... like vcc but capable of lots more noticeable effect. G-Conslole... sounds very nice just checking out presets. However, it is a highly tweakable EQ/Comp which would require a lot more time to use properly.
just a small time home recordist, but i'm happy. no problems setting up with ilok or waves copy protection, knock on wood
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#29 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Sep 2011 Location: UK
Posts: 218
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Just watch you don't hit VCC too hard I use Sonalksiss Free G plugin http://www.sonalksis.com/freeg.htm infront of VCC and VTM to lower the gain.
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23rd December 2012
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#30 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Mar 2011 Location: Uxbridge, MA
Posts: 210
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AudioDeluxe has the deal. Really, NAMM is what's me holding me back right now. I don't want to blow all my cash then see something awesome at NAMM.
I agree that Softube is great too. Wondering what they have coming down the pipeline.
Also looking for a millennia piece from plugin alliance.
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