Miroslav Philharmonik VS Ableton 8

[Randy Berkwick]

Could be worth downloading the latest free version of Sampletank from IK and try using the sounds through that.

[Schwarzwald]

Will do, such a shame though.

[Schwarzwald]

Alright, I've found a slightly simple fix.

If you own FL Studio, you can use it as a VST Plugin inside of Live.
You can then open Miroslav, Sampletank, or any other IKMultimedia product without fear of it crashing, within FL. It's like using FL as a wrapper for the plugins.

Another upside is, you can do this with the FL Studio Demo, FOR FREE. So if you don't own FL, you can just download the demo.

However, you cannot use the multiple outs of the plugin, as far as I can see, so you'll have to open one instance of FL per sound within your multiple out plugin, which means you'll also have to open up separate instances of the plugins.

Another downside is, when you save Live, it does not save inside FL. So you'll have to save each individual FL instance in order to recall your settings.

"Works" though.
Might just be easier to rewire, I'll try that when I'm back home.

[audiohack]

I feel your pain. I picked up Gforce Virtual String Machine a while back on sale. It did the same thing in Ableton. Crash. There is a free VST wrapper that I cannot remember the name of at the moment .... man I'm getting old. I'll dig through one of my old drives that has a bunch of VST files to see if I can locate it and provide the name. It was pretty nifty and had a very low CPU overhead. All it did was wrap the plug-in versus running FL Studio rewired to Ableton. Then again maybe I'm just dreaming this ....

I'll get back to you in a bit, one way or the other with some info.

EDIT: No, it just came to me. The VST wrapper allowed you to run your VSTs as a "standalone" instrument outside of your DAW. It was basically a shell with only MIDI IN/OUT and audio out capability and with very low overhead. I'm still going to dig that up and see what it could do. Could be useful to the OP ...

[Reptil]

moved to "music computers"

[KevWest]

I run the Ik stuff in Live and have not had any crash issues on windows 7 but i choose to run everything in sampletank too for me it just keeps stuff cleaner

[Schwarzwald]

Originally Posted by KevWest

I run the Ik stuff in Live and have not had any crash issues on windows 7 but i choose to run everything in sampletank too for me it just keeps stuff cleaner

Lucky dog! Strangely enough, when I use Sampletank with it's stock free library, it runs a bit longer. However, when I try to open the Miroslav sounds, it crashes quicker. Crashes either way though.

Originally Posted by audiohack

I feel your pain. I picked up Gforce Virtual String Machine a while back on sale. It did the same thing in Ableton. Crash. There is a free VST wrapper that I cannot remember the name of at the moment .... man I'm getting old. I'll dig through one of my old drives that has a bunch of VST files to see if I can locate it and provide the name. It was pretty nifty and had a very low CPU overhead. All it did was wrap the plug-in versus running FL Studio rewired to Ableton. Then again maybe I'm just dreaming this ....

I'll get back to you in a bit, one way or the other with some info.

EDIT: No, it just came to me. The VST wrapper allowed you to run your VSTs as a "standalone" instrument outside of your DAW. It was basically a shell with only MIDI IN/OUT and audio out capability and with very low overhead. I'm still going to dig that up and see what it could do. Could be useful to the OP ...

This sounds rather perfect! Would I be able to do something similar with Midi Yoke? I've yet to actually use it yet, but I downloaded awhile back when I was trying to do something counter-intuitive with all my controllers.

[lestermagneto]

Originally Posted by audiohack

I feel your pain. I picked up Gforce Virtual String Machine a while back on sale. It did the same thing in Ableton. Crash. There is a free VST wrapper that I cannot remember the name of at the moment .... man I'm getting old. I'll dig through one of my old drives that has a bunch of VST files to see if I can locate it and provide the name. It was pretty nifty and had a very low CPU overhead. All it did was wrap the plug-in versus running FL Studio rewired to Ableton. Then again maybe I'm just dreaming this ....

I'll get back to you in a bit, one way or the other with some info.

EDIT: No, it just came to me. The VST wrapper allowed you to run your VSTs as a "standalone" instrument outside of your DAW. It was basically a shell with only MIDI IN/OUT and audio out capability and with very low overhead. I'm still going to dig that up and see what it could do. Could be useful to the OP ...

I use G-Force's VSM all the time in Ableton, with no problems whatsoever... i'm using a mac though.... what is the issue?

[stoltz]

Originally Posted by audiohack

I feel your pain. I picked up Gforce Virtual String Machine a while back on sale. It did the same thing in Ableton. Crash. There is a free VST wrapper that I cannot remember the name of at the moment .... man I'm getting old. I'll dig through one of my old drives that has a bunch of VST files to see if I can locate it and provide the name. It was pretty nifty and had a very low CPU overhead. All it did was wrap the plug-in versus running FL Studio rewired to Ableton. Then again maybe I'm just dreaming this ....

I'll get back to you in a bit, one way or the other with some info.

EDIT: No, it just came to me. The VST wrapper allowed you to run your VSTs as a "standalone" instrument outside of your DAW. It was basically a shell with only MIDI IN/OUT and audio out capability and with very low overhead. I'm still going to dig that up and see what it could do. Could be useful to the OP ...

is this jBridge by any chance? if so its not free, you have to get a license for it, luckily its only $15 I think, so its pretty cheap. I use this to run kontakt & omnisphere as separate process threads outside of my main vst host cubase x86, which allows each plugin instance to load upto 4gb of ram (instead of the 4gb total within cubase) when used on a 64bit system. I've had some orchestral arrangements that used upto 14gb of ram using this, which was awesome!

[Schwarzwald]

Originally Posted by stoltz

is this jBridge by any chance? if so its not free, you have to get a license for it, luckily its only $15 I think, so its pretty cheap. I use this to run kontakt & omnisphere as separate process threads outside of my main vst host cubase x86, which allows each plugin instance to load upto 4gb of ram (instead of the 4gb total within cubase) when used on a 64bit system. I've had some orchestral arrangements that used upto 14gb of ram using this, which was awesome!

Checkin' this out myself...

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by Schwarzwald

Lucky dog! Strangely enough, when I use Sampletank with it's stock free library, it runs a bit longer. However, when I try to open the Miroslav sounds, it crashes quicker. Crashes either way though.



This sounds rather perfect! Would I be able to do something similar with Midi Yoke? I've yet to actually use it yet, but I downloaded awhile back when I was trying to do something counter-intuitive with all my controllers.

yeah that is odd. I bought the total workstation earlier this year and have not had a single crash with any of them. I just run the sounds in sampletank to keep my vst browser cleaner in Live.

[Schwarzwald]

UPDATE:

Apparently my previous statement was wrong about the demo version of FL, as you can't open any saved files without registering, so sorry demo users. :(

However, you can do multi-out routing via the MIDI-OUT tool that FL provides, so yeah.

Still a bit of a workaround, but it works for me.