PT 6.1 and Ableton Live, not

[Renie]

I think it's since upgrading from 6 to 6.1 that it has flaked out. I thought it was Live 3 but Live 2 is the same, no proper sync, crashes, weird communication breakdowns...

Anyone else using PT6.1 with Live?

cheers

[MCal27]

Renie..
Been using the same combination (well Live 2.1) along with Reason 2.5 for a few weeks now.. all is well. I've just today put my Live 3 updaters on both my rigs so I'll see if I have probs too.

Can u post details of your setup?

Al.

[Renie]

Hi Al

G4 Dual 1.25ghz, OS 10.2.6, PT 6.1, PT Mix +, Trak2.

I'll delve deeper tomorrow too.

[MCal27]

Renie,
Firstly.. have you repaired permissions? Then try running FSCK in single user mode to check drive integrity...

When did you last chuck PT6 Prefs?? (users/Library/Preferences) then Digisetup, ProTools Prefs, DAE Prefs and finally (my personnal fav) com.digidesign.protools.plist These 95 percent of the time get PT back in good behaviour.

If you need step by step instructions with permissions or FSCK please checkout my trouble shooting page on the FX Musiccontrol website. (not trying to self advertise.. its just late and I'm knackered!!)

I'll run some of the tracks I'm working on with Live 3 tomorrow and see how I get on.

Al.

[Renie]

Al,

I've done everything except the French Connection bit, have you a link for the FSCK info? Do you recommend to repair permissions from the Apple disk, I just used the regular utility?

I then booted PT followed by Live and got this error message:

"Live's ReWire engine has been installed. live can now run as a Rewire slave. to use Live as a rewire slave please restart any rewire host appications that are currently running" ----surely that's the wrong way round!!!...then it offers another error message which says:

"Live has detected another active Rewire master application. No ReWire slave applications will be available for use with Live unless you quit the current ReWire master application and restart live".

Ableton recommend I reinstall the DAE driver-- a good idea?

thanks al!

Renie

[MCal27]

Renie,
The messages are correct. Live is the rewire slave and ProTools the master. The second message is also correct, but I haven't seen it before from an App that can be a rewire slave..... such as Live.. If you continue through the Live messages, Does Live show itself to be in Rewire Slave mode in its Audio window in Preferences?

Here's the link to my help page: http://www.musiccontrol.co.uk/gear/b.../button01.html
The instructions regarding Single user mode and fsck are at the bottom of the page.

Regarding permissions.. you can be booted from your system drive and still repair permissions on the same drive..... hope that makes sense!!??? Sorry twas another busy day lol!!!

Do you have a 'Live Rewire ' insert fired up in PT when you launch Live BTW?

Al.

[Renie]

Hey Al,

I know PT is master and Live is the slave-it was the bit about the order of application opening I thought was skewed. I thought that PT had to be opened first as master and Live next as slave.

you asked "Do you have a 'Live Rewire ' insert fired up in PT when you launch Live BTW?" answer:yes

I will attend to the other points!


thanks!!!!

[MCal27]

Sorry Renie.. Must have misunderstood your wording....

The problem seems to be with Live not setting itself as rewire slave.. and accepting PT as rewire master.

Do you have another rewire master capable app? (Logic, DP etc....?) Then we can see if the problem lies with PT or Live...

Best of luck.

Al.

[MCal27]

FYI: Live 3 running just fine here with PT6.1.1
So I don't feel it's a Live 3 Bug...

Al.

[Renie]

Al thanks for your help with this!

i'm still confused about the first error message: when I boot PT followed by Live :

"Live's ReWire engine has been installed. live can now run as a Rewire slave. To use Live as a rewire slave please restart any rewire host appications that are currently running"

It's asking me to restart PT, yes? I thought the order was open PT first then Live.

[MCal27]

Renie,
Yes your correct.. PT 1st then Live.
The message your getting is the same one you usually get when you 1st install Live and run it for the 1st time as a rewire slave. Also when you get a new version and run that for the 1st time..(eg: live 3 upgrading from 2.1 etc..) I assume this is because of newer versions of the Ableton's Rewire components.

So your getting this message everytime you launch live?, or everytime you launch Live with PT6 already open?

Al.

[eskay]

This problem only occured with a 002 Rack. Using software 6.1 caused Pro-Tools to crash every time. Than Digi release 6.1.1 that fixed all this. If you are using a TDM system it shouldn't be a problem. Again, if you are using LE, make sure you have the latest version, which is now 6.1.2. If you are using a TDM system make sure that another app, like iTunes or Quicktime is not using Digidesign hardware. This is the same b.s. that existed in 9. Make sure no other app is routing it's output to Digi gear. Check these 2 scenarios and you should be OK.

[Renie]

Al and eskay

I think it was something to do with the digi hardware being grabbed.
I set the audio out to the built-in and removed Ableton live from the supprted digi core audio list and it seems to have done the trick!

thanx

[Renie]

Well that was a false dawn grudge

The tempo sync is flaky still. i think it seemed OK earlier because i was just playing a one bar loop in PT on bar 1. Anything more complicated than that and the sync breaks down.

Also when I press play on Live's transport control it starts from a different point to where the session would start if play was pressed in PT.

Because Live sees the PT tempo in it's window and there's abviously some communication betwen the two, I'm wondering if my inexperience of Live is the problem.

I thought though, when i used Live 2 with PT6.1, b4 I installed Digi core audio, it was a breeze and there were no 'issues' at all.

If anyone's got any bright idea's please shout!!




Renie

[MCal27]

Renie,
Wow this is a weird one
I guess the 1st thing to try would be removing the Digi core audio driver... I'll assume you dont know where it is: Library/Audio/Plugins/HAL
You'll see the plugin right there. chuck it and restart.

Can you let us know how you get from there?

I have the Digi coreaudio enabled in my LE rig (not the TDM though) and it hasnt caused any probs like you describe.....

Al.

[Renie]

Originally posted by MCal
Renie,
Wow this is a weird one


Al.

Al, I'm fed up!! ....thanks for the support though ,

I did what you suggested and no change. Also I tried Live 2 and that can't see PT at all "no audio" in Live pref's.

Man alive!!!!!

[MCal27]

Renie,
I read back through your reports.... have you tried to uninstall, then reinstall PT yet?
The installer on your pt6 cd also acts as an uninstaller....

Al.

[Rail Jon Rogut]

Just to clarify.. you run Pro Tools, without Live running.. you create an audio track and insert the Live (ReWire) plug-in across the track and Live will automatically start -- you don't actually run Live yourself.

If Live doesn't start, then reinstall both apps and don't rename or move any files related to the apps.. if you want to have either app located in another location, create an alias.

Rail

[Renie]

Rail and Al

Thanks for the ideas.

I talked to my dealer, who had PT and Live in front of him, and apparently it's Reason that boots automatically when inserted, not Live.

I have re-installed PT and gone back to Live 2.1.2 (nothing had been moved previously btw) and dumped Digi core audio. There is a marked improvement.

My dealer and I were unsure what to expect from the sync between app's, for example if PT is set to loop between bars 3-4 should pressing play on the transport control on Live cause the 2 app's to loop on bars 3-4. Someone has responded to my DUC thread on the PT and Live who is also unsure about this point too.

My dealer said that Live has some kind of inbuilt communication with Core audio that Digi were, until recently, unaware of. He said this might be causing problems and that the abridged Digi version of Live may integrate better with PT than the full version at this stage.

[MCal27]

With respect to your dealer Renie... he's wrong.... I've done quite a few Live/Protools rigs now.. and all have been close to 100 percent trouble free.
However Live communicates with Core Audio is unimportant when Live is in rewire mode. Live scans the system before initialising itself, and disables all other Audio protocols (core/Direct I/O etc) before it even attempts communication with them when it senses Rewire is prescent and enabled.
I think your problem lay with PT on this occasion. Version 6, when it goes 'funny' seems to do so in different ways from what OS9 folks are used to. And I think PT wasn't giving out the right signals to your rewire apps. Hence the suggested PT reinstall being a major factor IMHO.

Glad your up and running again fuuck

Al.

[Renie]

Originally posted by MCal
With respect to your dealer Renie... he's wrong.... I've done quite a few Live/Protools rigs now.. and all have been close to 100 percent trouble free.
However Live communicates with Core Audio is unimportant when Live is in rewire mode. Live scans the system before initialising itself, and disables all other Audio protocols (core/Direct I/O etc) before it even attempts communication with them when it senses Rewire is prescent and enabled.
I think your problem lay with PT on this occasion. Version 6, when it goes 'funny' seems to do so in different ways from what OS9 folks are used to. And I think PT wasn't giving out the right signals to your rewire apps. Hence the suggested PT reinstall being a major factor IMHO.

Glad your up and running again fuuck

Al.

Hey Al,

Not sure why I got 'the finger', (hopefully) maybe you meant 'the thumb' ...!!!!!!!

Do you know if Live should boot up when the plug-in is inserted and do you know what to expect from the sync of the 2 app's as asked in my previous post.

Thanks!!!!!

[MCal27]

OMG is that the finger???? sorry lol Looked like a thumb to me...

To answer your question: Live does not currently boot when the Live rewire plug is enabled.... I believe this is being worked on.

Live's timeline will show the 'Loop' position selected in PT. It doesn't seem to do the same the other way round at the moment, although I'm pretty sure PT will loop when Live does if a Loop is enabled in Live.... I'll try it tomorrow when I fire up the studio again and report back. I'm running Live v3 though.. so I can't guaratee that 2.1 will act identically....

Sorry again about the mistake...

Al.

[Renie]

I hope you don't confuse the two signs in the real world Al!!!LOL.

Thanks for looking further into the points