Cons of Cubase?

[mat1]

Never understood people who shun workflow enhancements. Nothing wrong with companies realising when someone else does it better.

[FLYINGJAY]

Daws went from digital tape machines to a one size fit all one stop.

I personally like owning daws with different workflow.

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[Lawrence]

Originally Posted by mat1

Never understood people who shun workflow enhancements. Nothing wrong with companies realising when someone else does it better.

Some people just like to argue and create various straw positions to argue when there's nothing real to argue or even if the thing being discussed has no relevance or practical importance for them at all.

It's really as simple as that. Ignore it. Just detour the real conversation "around" them and let them throw spitballs. They never actually hear what you say anyway, they only hear something else that can be twisted into yet another straw argument.

That's what I should have done actually, ignored the out of context spitballs, my bad. We live and we learn... or rather, remember.

[FLYINGJAY]

Yea cubase is out dated,its a useless daw and when it get updated to v7 it will have all s1 features...


Great!

I'm am out of place in this thread I know,as to the handful of people with cubase cons,there thousands like me that are happy with it.

You don't have to ignore me,its obvious who's really behind this thread.

Lawrence I would understand your motive IF you were the OP,but your not.

I and many others feel that just because a daw does not have exactly the same features,does not qualify as a con.that is all.

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[spaceacademy]

Flyingjay Quote

I and many others feel that just because a daw does not have exactly the same features,does not qualify as a con

Exactly. The thread quickly turned in to a list of features on other Daws Cubase doesnt have. The same argument could be applied the other way around.

I still marvel at what any Daw can do these days. Cast our minds back just over a decade and what we can do today was the stuff of dreams back then.

[clivek]

Just remember Cubase is one of the few pieces of software that can actually do it all !!

[chk23]

Originally Posted by FLYINGJAY

Yea cubase is out dated,its a useless daw and when it get updated to v7 it will have all s1 features...


Great!

I'm am out of place in this thread I know,as to the handful of people with cubase cons,there thousands like me that are happy with it.

You don't have to ignore me,its obvious who's really behind this thread.

Lawrence I would understand your motive IF you were the OP,but your not.

I and many others feel that just because a daw does not have exactly the same features,does not qualify as a con.that is all.

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I think you have to stop this black and white thinking. Nobody here really came even near bashing cubase in a generall way. Actually even the people that pointed out most of the cons never stopped telling that nevertheless cubase is their favourite DAW because for them all things considered it wins in the end. So there's no need at all to get touchy about this.

[FLYINGJAY]

Originally Posted by spaceacademy

Flyingjay Quote


Exactly. The thread quickly turned in to a list of features on other Daws Cubase doesnt have. The same argument could be applied the other way around.

I still marvel at what any Daw can do these days. Cast our minds back just over a decade and what we can do today was the stuff of dreams back then.

That's exactly how I feel,cubendo is,if not the most used daws(according to gs poles),they're number 2.

I hope stieny keep cubase intact.

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[Ambience]

Cubase has plastic mids compared to all the rest of the DAWs. Stay away from it

[FLYINGJAY]

Originally Posted by clivek

Just remember Cubase is one of the few pieces of software that can actually do it all !!

+1
Cubase does it all,and its very stable doing it.

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[Suda Badri]

now im at a point of i dont know if the people making x daw sounds different to y daw posts are sarcastic or not... successful trolling...

[FLYINGJAY]

Originally Posted by spaceacademy

Since I posted the above I have read the thread. It doesnt change the fact you went off on Flyingjay based on your opinion.
Relax, its only software....

Thank you...




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[chk23]

Originally Posted by Ambience

Cubase has plastic mids compared to all the rest of the DAWs. Stay away from it

I hope you're just trying to be funny...

[krheatman]

Cubase is still the best for surgical track editing.

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[Lawrence]

Originally Posted by chk23

ISo there's no need at all to get touchy about this.

Fanboys. You can't have a reasonable and calm adult discussion with them. Whatever they love they apply that rule to the entire human race and if you don't agree with them, you're just bashing, even if everything you say is based in fact and even if you pre-qualify it all as subjective opinion... which you're not allowed to have unless it aligns perfectly with theirs. Rational discussion is off the table.

They'll tell you - 50 times in the same thread, over and over - how happy they are with the thing you want to see improved, like anyone else who is actually not them is affected somehow by their personal happiness. They'll suggest that you aren't getting any work done because you're on the net moaning, while they're on the net moaning about you. They don't really listen to what you actually say or follow the topic or the context, they just jump in wildly defending and constructing random straw men. "To the walls boys!"

Fanboys, can't live without 'em, can't shoot 'em.

This is getting redundantly stupid and juvenile so I'll stop for good and let the fanboys have the last word.

They also always have to have the last word, to let anyone following see their DAW "won" some stupid argument that shouldn't have even happened in the first place, another sign of that particular condition.

I come from corporate America where we management types always analyze things objectively, not emotionally. I am also somewhat of a developer / coder myself, so I recognize user interfaces that actually favor the user, and not the developer. I don't "moan". If a problem can be solved I will try to code a solution myself. I've done that multiple times with the Win API for my DAWs, coded my own solution.

The very first macro toolbar for S1 (for example) was coded by me, a free third party solution (for anyone who wanted it) that integrated directly into the UI. I solved my own problem. Dare I say, if not for me doing the third party one, users might not even have had the real one so soon. They made a much better cross platform solution not much long afterward. I coded a few of my own tools for Cubase over the years also, and wrote some rather complex macros to detour around some of the issues with the UI. All of it's parts (it's handles) are exposed, can be spied on, so it's pretty easy to get control of some of Cubase's parts through the Win API.

Anyway... long live Cubase. Great f'ing DAW. It made me a good bit of money over the years. It will only get better and better... because... well... there are lots of opportunities there for improvement.

[jordanvoth]

Been with Steinberg Cubase for 7 years, not long for some of you guys but I just turned 23. I track, edit, mix and master in it and I love it. 6 was a great improvement on the multitrack drum editing front.

[jmcecil]

Originally Posted by Lawrence

Many Cubase users have been asking them to move the warping functionality to the timeline for a very long time now, so you could edit it there and also perform grouped multitrack warp edits. It's a pretty old feature request (like the new multitrack drum editing was until they did it with v6) as are a few of the other things previously discussed where the Cubase feature requests pre-date (by some years actually) the existence of some of the newer products where some of those examples were shown.

You might find this interesting. This may give you some insight to how the Borgz think. I don't find it negative, but it was a bit frustrating.

I am one of the big pushers for this feature. I have been for many years. I've had numerous communications with Steinberg on this feature. Last year (post 6.0 release) I had a series of PMs and e-mails with a C6 mods relaying this request and why would we even want it. They kept saying it DOES it. I kept saying no it doesn't, you only manipulate the tempo track to the beat, I want to manipulate the beat to the tempo track IN THE PROJECT WINDOW. Yes, they couldn't understand why anyone would want to do that, or a use case for it. I linked multiple demos of PT. And we would get into circular conversations of "THEM: that's how it works .. ME: no it doesn't".

So, we have two concepts ..
Time warp: Change tempo map to line up to beat (available in project window)
Free warp: Move beat to tempo map (available only in edit window)

To the Borgz there isn't a use case for Free Warp on multiple tracks in the project window. To me, it is the only use case. We never did come to an agreement. I'm not even sure they ever got what I was talking about.

Very smart people by the way. And, contrary to internet opinion, they are extremely interested in production use cases. However, I don't think they are production people, so sometimes the use cases don't translate well.

Just my 2cents.

[John The Cut]

Originally Posted by krheatman

Cubase is still the best for surgical track editing.

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..And has had sample accurate editing in the arrange page for over a decade..

I would just like to say that.

[norbury brook]

I think you'd need the patience of a saint and the skin of a rhino to be a software developer.

You'll never be able to please everyone. I think this is reapers biggest problem,trying to please everyone and design by committee.

MC

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[shanabit]

The name itself doesnt say "PRO" in in like Logic Pro, ProTools, StudioOnePro etc. Come on Cubase Pro

That leaves me amateur forever LOL

[FLYINGJAY]

Glad to see feedback from other people,seems one person was on a personal mission to troll this thread.

Me knowing this,I'm glad this glad this thread is moving in a different direction.I didn't bother to read his naval.

At anyrate I'd like more inserts,and vca faders.although I group a heck of a lot,they still would be great to have.

A nice tape delay,or maybe there's one in the guitar rack?

I want MIDI record length to stop at the last bar I played notes in.that will save me from cutting all the time.



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[FLYINGJAY]

Originally Posted by Lawrence

The very first macro toolbar for S1 (for example) was coded by me,

I knew it,you a had hidden agenda this whole thread.

I'm far from stupid,so are the other readers.

You've learn s1's commition very well,kept developing it!its a good addition to the world of daws.

I own 3 maybe ill own 4 someday?

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[hotpinkbirds]

Cubase is amazing!!
But I do have a few cons---

1. Window management
2. No possible way to export a mixture of mono and stereo. Its either one or the other
3. REX file support.

[Lawrence]

Originally Posted by jmcecil

Very smart people by the way. And, contrary to internet opinion, they are extremely interested in production use cases. However, I don't think they are production people, so sometimes the use cases don't translate well.

Just my 2cents.

Yes, they're very smart indeed.

In this one case, imo, mmv, yada, yada, no debate, it's one of those things that becomes apparent with hindsight ... when you realize how cool audio warping actually is, and after the initial newness factor kinda wears off... you think...

"Man, that would be even better on the timeline across multiple tracks."

The realization of that isn't a gripe, it's just clearly the next most logical place for that function to go. (caveat: if reasonably possible)

The reason some of these apps end up in similar places sometimes isn't always necessarily because they're copying each other. Sometimes (maybe?) they kinda independently reach the same logical conclusions. They still all work a good bit differently in any case. The workflows are never identical.

Many daw developers likely independently reached the logical conclusion that it's good to gang mixer faders on selection. Steinberg and some others haven't reached that conclusion. It's nothing that's a big deal at all (really, it's not) but it would be "better", to do that.

None of it stops the musical show. Even if all the lights went out, the show would still go on.

[jmcecil]

Originally Posted by hotpinkbirds

Cubase is amazing!!
1. Window management

Almost certainly will be done in C7. Question is will it be cool like H4, or the worst most obtuse and confusing implementation of a configurable UI imaginable (e.g. Wavelab 7).

2. No possible way to export a mixture of mono and stereo. Its either one or the other

No doubt, batch stem exports that keep a configurable per track config would be awesome. I know it's on the PLEASE list. No clue if they are working on it.

3. REX file support.

I'm assuming you mean being able to audition to project tempo for rex2? Or, do you mean actually creating rex objects in Cubase? Drag/Drop etc..?

[Lawrence]

Since the conversation has turned more reasonable .. (Cubase rocks, I do agree) ... another thing that I'd personally like to see is audio track switching. To just combine the mono/stereo track classes into one basic audio track class that can switch to either. (the various surround track classes aside)

Not a big deal by any stretch, but (imo) it would still be somewhat useful.

[FLYINGJAY]

Originally Posted by Lawrence

Since the conversation has turned more reasonable .. (Cubase rocks, I do agree) ... another thing that I'd personally like to see is audio track switching. To just combine the mono/stereo track classes into one basic audio track class that can switch to either. (the various surround track classes aside)

Not a big deal by any stretch, but (imo) it would still be somewhat useful.

Definitly a good idea,I'm forced to use all stereo tracks and record using mono inputs for the most flexibility.

For some reason some mono tracks will not pan,though in some cases they will.I'm so busy working I simply revert to all stereo tracks.

I'm able to pan all mono and stereo just the same at that point.

Yes this needs fixin.

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[steveschizoid]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

Start Rant....

Cubase' mixer is THEEEE WORST!!! Absolute number one gripe. The fact that you have to memorize some little abstract icons to see the inserts, or sends, ect...., and never at the same time is amazingly awful. The 'inspector' is great, but it's no substitue for a proper mixer.

The way Cubase handles 'Lanes' on MIDI tracks is horreeeblay. The lanes just pile on top of each other, like 'tracks' do..... I.E., they all play at the same time. WHY? Who uses that? Really curious!!! It's a huge PIA to actually create 'takes' on a MIDI track because of this. It works fine, and exactly how you think it would for audio tracks, but it's completely different for MIDI tracks.

The audio editing is horrendous in Cubase IMO. There's what.... 3 levels of windows to go through? The main arrange/edit window...., then into the 'part editor'..., then into the 'sample editor'???? Again... WHY? Why not just allow all the deep editing right in the arrange/edit window ala Pro Tools?

And to end this little rant...., I love Cubase. There's obviously a TON that like about it, because it IS my number one choice for MIDI/Production work.

.... P.S., Lawrence, if you love the logical editors, then check out Reaper in your spare time. I could never make friends with the program, but it gets intense with that type of customization.

I agree with the midi gripe, but otherwise I'll take Cubase's mixer over PT's any day. It strikes me as way more flexible and intuitive.

By and large the main "con" of Cubase is that it doesn't enjoy a monopoly in commercial studios, so, if you spend years learning it, your skill is somewhat useless in the world at large. However, strictly on its merits, I think it's way better than PT overall .

My gripes:
1. I wish it had a "smart tool" - in the latest version, they've tried to implement it (sort of) in a way that annoys me on a daily basis. I often need to move clips around - to different tracks or different lanes in the audio editor - while maintaining the same spot timewise. Unfortunately, now when I control click it brings up the audition tool. I can click then control and it works (as control click has for the past decade up until now) when you click in the right spot, but sometimes it opens the sample editor. Again, this is highly annoying.

2. Manipulating tempo is WAY easier and better using Elastic Audio in PT than using the Cubase system. It really is. (Sorry Flying Jay!)

3. The External Effect routing is not saved with the project file, and you cannot reset using a preset (unless you use the unweildy workaround with the External plugin file in the app data folder). This is just stupid, because it would have to be easy to fix - they could just have a version of that file (which I have to load manually before I open Cubase) save with the project.

4. CPU Overloads. Sigh. This may be an issue with any Native PC based DAW. Cubase has severe issues when you use its tuning facility - I can have a very small project, and once I've tuned something I might as well just bounce it because there will be CPU overload issues. I also tend to think some of the issues I'm having are related to UAD plugs not being 64 bit and having to use the bridging software. The biggest grievance of all is that sometimes Cubase will succeed with a render, but will leave a CPU overload glitch in the audio anyway! I have an immensely powerful system, so I really feel this should not be a problem....

[jmcecil]

Can't remember if this was in this thread or another, but a big recording con is the lack of independent loop and punch points.

I'd also like mutli-take playback (all takes play) mode.

[Ambience]

The sound of cubase is horrendous though! The plastics mids suck. You should demo out FL Studio so you can get the sound of analouge!