30th September 2012
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#1 | | Gear interested
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Thread Starter | could anyone recommend a interface for me? about $2000
Hi everyone, my name is Jack and I am a totally freshman about those equipment. But I really like singing so I want to upgrade my devices a little bit.
Following are what I am using right now:
Microphone: Black Knight
Preamp: LA-610 MK II
Sound Card: UA-25 EX
So now I want to upgrade my sound card to a better one that can match my preamp and microphone. I'd like to have a interface with Effectors(just want to get reverberation, if not, it's ok to buy one interface and one another Effectors).
And right now, I find Appolo, RME UFX and TC SK48 are all good for my choice, but I use laptop and also windows system...
So could anyone recommend some for me? and also I want to know is that worth to wait till Appolo's drive for PC come out? and Can I use TC SK48 by USB(or do I need to buy a fireface interface)? and is UFX really much better than TC SK48?(I see the difference of the prices)
Thank you so much!!!!(I know some questions are very silly...T T)
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1st October 2012
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#2 | | Lives for gear
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For a couple of channels, Babyface would be good. But what's wrong with UA 25EX? Do you find ADC/DAC of your interface is not good enough? The difference in sound quality by upgrading ADC/DAC is often subtle, and you want to make sure that price is really worth paying. You need very good monitoring system to evaluate the difference.
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1st October 2012
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#3 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by Masaaki For a couple of channels, Babyface would be good. But what's wrong with UA 25EX? Do you find ADC/DAC of your interface is not good enough? The difference in sound quality by upgrading ADC/DAC is often subtle, and you want to make sure that price is really worth paying. You need very good monitoring system to evaluate the difference. | Thank you for your replying~ but actually UA-25 is quite good but I need a Effectors and that's the reason I want to upgrade the equipment. So do you know any Effectors that is great? or do you know any interface with Effectors? By now, I want to choose from TC SK48 and impact twin, but I do not know is that worth to buy TC SK48? Thank you so so much!
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1st October 2012
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#4 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by Paul in SoCal I've used a UFX for some months. Traded up from a UC. I also use Babyface on the go with my laptop. I'm EXTREMELY satisfied with RME: top notch performance and the best drivers in the business. I use Win 7 x64. | Thank you for your response! And actually now I want to choose from TC Sk48 and impact twin, could you tell me which one is suitable for me? Because my friend told me TC's effector is enough for me and I do not need other functions indeed.
Thank you so much!
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1st October 2012
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by jidan Thank you for your replying~ but actually UA-25 is quite good but I need a Effectors and that's the reason I want to upgrade the equipment. So do you know any Effectors that is great? or do you know any interface with Effectors? By now, I want to choose from TC SK48 and impact twin, but I do not know is that worth to buy TC SK48? Thank you so so much! | If you need EQ, Reverb, Compression during tracking, you can easily add plugins in your DAW. Have you tried that? When you do this, just turn off direct monitoring (dry signal) and set the ASIO buffer somewhere around 128, then use built-in plugs in your DAW, try some free plugins, or buy some third party ones. If you are not satisfied the results or latency etc, then you can go ahead with impact twin (which has DSP effects and seems appropriate for your I/O counts). YMMV.
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1st October 2012
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#6 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by Masaaki If you need EQ, Reverb, Compression during tracking, you can easily add plugins in your DAW. Have you tried that? When you do this, just turn off direct monitoring (dry signal) and set the ASIO buffer somewhere around 128, then use built-in plugs in your DAW, try some free plugins, or buy some third party ones. If you are not satisfied the results or latency etc, then you can go ahead with impact twin (which has DSP effects and seems appropriate for your I/O counts). YMMV. | Thank you so much for your advisers! Yeah, I have tried some plugins but I also have a job like a internet singer, so sometime I need to get the reverb just when I am singing~ and then, for the impact twin, do you really think this one is more suitable for me? because I do not want to upgrade again in few years, so I want to buy a one that can use several years. is there many differences or just slight differences between TC SK48 and Impact twin?
Thank you again!
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1st October 2012
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#7 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by jidan Thank you so much for your advisers! Yeah, I have tried some plugins but I also have a job like a internet singer, so sometime I need to get the reverb just when I am singing~ and then, for the impact twin, do you really think this one is more suitable for me? because I do not want to upgrade again in few years, so I want to buy a one that can use several years. is there many differences or just slight differences between TC SK48 and Impact twin?
Thank you again! | If the effects are so important, then I wouldn't trust something like 'built-in' or 'bundled', like DSP EQ/Comp/Reverb in audio interface. Instead, buy something separate and independent, and use it as an insert. Then, I can actually upgrade only the interface or the effects processor.
I don't have experience about impact twin, so you need some feedback from real users, but I've used DSP EQ and Reverb with my RME UFX and Saffire 24 DSP. They are sufficient for my light purposes.
You know, TC has loads of effects processors, some dedicated for vocal, some universal multi-effects, and most of them have verb and comp. So when you buy those, the DSP in the impact twin will be redundant.
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1st October 2012
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#8 | | Gear addict
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I agree with keeping effects processing and your audio I/O separate. I've been using Focusrites' Saffire Pro 24 for 3-4 years and the AD/DA conversion is top notch. I always record dry and use plugs in Logic for most effects or run a send/return thru my KP Quad.
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1st October 2012
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#9 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by Masaaki If the effects are so important, then I wouldn't trust something like 'built-in' or 'bundled', like DSP EQ/Comp/Reverb in audio interface. Instead, buy something separate and independent, and use it as an insert. Then, I can actually upgrade only the interface or the effects processor.
I don't have experience about impact twin, so you need some feedback from real users, but I've used DSP EQ and Reverb with my RME UFX and Saffire 24 DSP. They are sufficient for my light purposes.
You know, TC has loads of effects processors, some dedicated for vocal, some universal multi-effects, and most of them have verb and comp. So when you buy those, the DSP in the impact twin will be redundant. | Wow, thank you so much! so do you mean I can use Saffire 24 to get same effect or even better result as I use those interface?(I do not know it, just see the price difference of UFX and Saffire 24, so a little curious), and I am totally agree that maybe this way is better, so just do you still think I need to upgrade the sound card? or just keep UA-25 EX is fine?
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1st October 2012
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#10 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by steveswisher I agree with keeping effects processing and your audio I/O separate. I've been using Focusrites' Saffire Pro 24 for 3-4 years and the AD/DA conversion is top notch. I always record dry and use plugs in Logic for most effects or run a send/return thru my KP Quad. | thank you for your replying~ so just do you still think I need to upgrade my sound card?
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1st October 2012
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#11 | | Lives for gear
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the RME UFX is under $2k right now at B&H.
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1st October 2012
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#12 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by jidan Wow, thank you so much! so do you mean I can use Saffire 24 to get same effect or even better result as I use those interface?(I do not know it, just see the price difference of UFX and Saffire 24, so a little curious), and I am totally agree that maybe this way is better, so just do you still think I need to upgrade the sound card? or just keep UA-25 EX is fine? | so right now I wanna pick one from UFX, TC STUDIO KONNEKT 48 and Saffire pro 24, could you tell me which one is better? I just want to know that TotalMix FX(in UFX), Fabrik(in SK48) and Mixer(in Saffire) which one is more suitable for me, the most important thing, personally, is reverberation. the price of UFX I can find right now is $1910 while the price of SK 48 is $899~$1000 and the price of Saffire pro 24 is $279
Sorry for troubling you again.. Thank you sooooo much!!
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1st October 2012
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#13 | | Lives for gear
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Saffire 24 Pro has two versions: non-DSP version and DSP version. If you need DSP reverb, you need to get DSP version obviously. Saffire 24 is also firewire interface, so you need capacity to connect (expresscard slot in your laptop, if it doesn't have FW port).
UFX and TC konnect will be able to do everything you need to do, but do you really need such I/O right now? If not, imact twin or babyface would be just enough (actually babyface is more than enough since you are going to use LA610 line out). I think your friend is right, impact twin will do the job for you.
Besides, if you haven't tried Valhalla room reverb plug in with your US 25EX, I encourage to try that. It's $50, and could be the only thing you need.
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1st October 2012
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#14 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by Masaaki Saffire 24 Pro has two versions: non-DSP version and DSP version. If you need DSP reverb, you need to get DSP version obviously. Saffire 24 is also firewire interface, so you need capacity to connect (expresscard slot in your laptop, if it doesn't have FW port).
UFX and TC konnect will be able to do everything you need to do, but do you really need such I/O right now? If not, imact twin or babyface would be just enough (actually babyface is more than enough since you are going to use LA610 line out). I think your friend is right, impact twin will do the job for you.
Besides, if you haven't tried Valhalla room reverb plug in with your US 25EX, I encourage to try that. It's $50, and could be the only thing you need. | Actually I really don't need such I/O, but just I dont want to change in few years so I always want to buy a better one.. Umm, so right now I think Babyface might be the best for me, just one more question, so do you think it's worth to pay about $230 more to buy TC konnect 48? I am confused with this problem...
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1st October 2012
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#15 | | Gear interested
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Originally Posted by Masaaki Saffire 24 Pro has two versions: non-DSP version and DSP version. If you need DSP reverb, you need to get DSP version obviously. Saffire 24 is also firewire interface, so you need capacity to connect (expresscard slot in your laptop, if it doesn't have FW port).
UFX and TC konnect will be able to do everything you need to do, but do you really need such I/O right now? If not, imact twin or babyface would be just enough (actually babyface is more than enough since you are going to use LA610 line out). I think your friend is right, impact twin will do the job for you.
Besides, if you haven't tried Valhalla room reverb plug in with your US 25EX, I encourage to try that. It's $50, and could be the only thing you need. | Yeah, I tried that before but that's plugin while I want to find something can make reverberation just when I am singing:D
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1st October 2012
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#16 | | Lives for gear
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Well, you can use any plugins while you are singing. It's a matter of monitoring input or output from the DAW.
TC konnect comes with much more I/O, and plugin bundles, and I can't tell $230 is worth or not. If you don't have a plan to expand I/O, I think overkill.
Again, if availability of reverb for the vocal is important, get a reverb unit and use it as an insert with your interface. Then you'll have full and immediate control.
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1st October 2012
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#17 | | Lives for gear
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Be weary, the build on my Saffire pro atleast is rather shabby. The knobs make noise when turned also. I'm fairly unimpressed with it. 2k budget you could get something MUCH better. I went with the Saffire because of a low budget!
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1st October 2012
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#18 | | Gear nut
Joined: Feb 2009 Location: India
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IMO Saffire produces worst AD DA, please dont buy,
Maybe for people who don't use Hi-end sound cards may like it and could not find the difference with other soundcards,
Let me give you some good options, select according to your requirement ,
For good investment and won't regret,
Prism Orpheus
Uad Apollo
For budget,
RME
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1st October 2012
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#19 | | Gear addict
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RME UCX or Babyface. If the DSP reverb isn't good enough, buy a hardware reverb unit and setup a send/ return using the DSP mixer and then you can track clean vocals with reverb just in your headphones.
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